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Hi , BH Auction at Tokyo has just ended tonight, the results are not pretty compared to the last year . 

All prices are million JPY 

1972 Z432 project 2.0→7.0 SOLD

1972.GTR 15.0→ NO BID

1971 GTR 12.0→ 12.0 reserve not met

1973 GTR 45.0→45.0 reserve not met

1972 GTR 14.0→17.5 reserve not met

1972 GTR 14.0→16.0 SOLD

1964 Prince Skyline Sports 28.0→29.0 reserve not met

1971 Z432 13.0→ NO BID

Kats

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33 minutes ago, kats said:

@HS30-H Alan , do you think this wheel could be a set of real Works magnesium wheel ? We would like to here from you for authentication.

Kats

 

100% reproduction. Not original.

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Thanks Alan , the auctioneer did not know what is original . I wonder the buyer would have expected they are original. 

Kats

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20 minutes ago, kats said:

Thanks Alan , the auctioneer did not know what is original . I wonder the buyer would have expected they are original. 

Kats

I noted that the other 432 in the auction was fitted with the same reproduction KS 'Rally Mag' wheels too.

 

Personally speaking, I don't think this kind of high profile 'showbiz' type auction is suited to the automotive world in Japan. When you buy one of these cars, everyone knows what you have paid. That's not a good thing for many Japanese enthusiasts. In my experience, they would usually prefer to keep that information away from their wife/family/work colleagues/friends...

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7 hours ago, HS30-H said:

Personally speaking, I don't think this kind of high profile 'showbiz' type auction is suited to the automotive world in Japan. When you buy one of these cars, everyone knows what you have paid. That's not a good thing for many Japanese enthusiasts. In my experience, they would usually prefer to keep that information away from their wife/family/work colleagues/friends...

That is also applied to me too , Alan .

Looking at these results,  actual bidding amount reflecting the condition / quality of cars . Some cars are really nice but , just wanted way expensive money for the car . 

Blue , I think so too , if someone want a Z432 , and is able to restore by him/herself  , it is a good buy . 

Kats

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9 hours ago, HS30-H said:

Personally speaking, I don't think this kind of high profile 'showbiz' type auction is suited to the automotive world in Japan. When you buy one of these cars, everyone knows what you have paid. That's not a good thing for many Japanese enthusiasts. In my experience, they would usually prefer to keep that information away from their wife/family/work colleagues/friends...

In some cultures, how much you paid is viewed as a bragging right (a form of phallus waving so to speak). :).

The thing that makes those Kobe Seiko wheels look unoriginal, is how pristine they are.. The originals often have a few gouges, marks, scuffs and battle scars.

My collection for reference.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/W2vyzLeEmcyrCq0T2

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9 hours ago, Gav240z said:

The thing that makes those Kobe Seiko wheels look unoriginal, is how pristine they are.. The originals often have a few gouges, marks, scuffs and battle scars.

 

I’m a person that appreciate some “battle scars” on some of the old “rare” parts i find. I don’t feel the need to or want to restore some pieces to like new condition. For example i want my old steering wheels to have some wear and marks in them, it feels and looks good and tells a story about them. I feel the same with these wheels.

I really want a set of ks rally wheels and have looked for a long time. I was about to place an order for a set of five wheels a while ago through a shop in Japan but now when these other replicas are available im hesitating as im affraid that they will be all over the place.

It’s a bit sad in my own opinion.

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For me the sad part is that they are Chinese knocks offs of unknown quality and standards.

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3 minutes ago, Gav240z said:

For me the sad part is that they are Chinese knocks offs of unknown quality and standards.

Yepp, that to.

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9 hours ago, Gav240z said:

For me the sad part is that they are Chinese knocks offs of unknown quality and standards.

READ THIS  

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/manufacturing/tens-of-thousands-of-counterfeit-wheels-made-in-china-are-on-australian-roads-experts-warn/news-story/bbf2565440a7ddf0c291a7ef9c4e9815

 

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On 1/12/2019 at 12:53 PM, Gav240z said:

For me the sad part is that they are Chinese knocks offs of unknown quality and standards.

We don't know the full story on these rally/z432 style wheels, it could well be the seller got these made, rather than a generic buy, so could have had more control on the process/end product.

As with most things made in China, its driven by a desire of the West for goods and that are cheap. Even when made elsewhere (e.g. a S30 group buy) the people expressing interest falls when they realize the actual cost. People want quality for peanuts, and that doesn't work.

 

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The other possibility is these are not sub par wheels but made to a decent standard. Since some of the buyers may be running them on expensive classic cars.

Hard to know, unless you know the source and their reputation.

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14 hours ago, RIP260Z said:

We don't know the full story on these rally/z432 style wheels, it could well be the seller got these made, rather than a generic buy, so could have had more control on the process/end product.

Have you bought a set yourself? I was tempted, but I'm somewhat holding off for now.

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On 1/15/2019 at 4:23 AM, Gav240z said:

Have you bought a set yourself? I was tempted, but I'm somewhat holding off for now.

I have. Though I brought them in early December last year, well before Kats introduced us to them on this thread. I had nothing to go on, except I had seen the seller selling stuff for years and a good reputation.

I got them yesterday. I haven't really had a chance to look at them yet (hence partly the delayed reply).

From what I see on-line only, they are selling, more of the rally replica style than the Z432 replica style.

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On 1/11/2019 at 9:06 AM, kats said:

Hi , BH Auction at Tokyo has just ended tonight, the results are not pretty compared to the last year . 

All prices are million JPY 

 

1971 Z432 13.0→ NO BID

Kats

Kats, what kind of shape was the 1971 z432 in to have no bids at all?

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10 hours ago, RIP260Z said:

I have. Though I brought them in early December last year, well before Kats introduced us to them on this thread. I had nothing to go on, except I had seen the seller selling stuff for years and a good reputation.

I got them yesterday. I haven't really had a chance to look at them yet (hence partly the delayed reply).

From what I see on-line only, they are selling, more of the rally replica style than the Z432 replica style.

Do you have a link to the seller?

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Narrow Z432 version.

14" 5.5J+25 PCD114.3

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t619435989

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Wide version (works rally/Z432-R style)

14" 7J-16 PCD114.3

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u253744024

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Seller name: punsupon

https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/seller/punsupon?ngram=1&u=punsupon

 

 

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7 hours ago, Patcon said:

Do you have a link to the seller?

As Gav points out, I just got them off Yahoo Japan in 4 separate auctions.

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8 hours ago, EVILC said:

Kats, what kind of shape was the 1971 z432 in to have no bids at all?

I can not explain well because I have not seen the car closely. 

http://bhauction.jp/pdf/catalog/005_1971_NISSAN_FAIRLADY_Z_432.pdf

But seeing the other auction which sold a very clean , stock 280Z 2+2 over 40000 USD , I think people want a stock and clean car . If the Z432 were a kind of the one , it would be sold within a estimated price.

Nowadays people who are potential- buyer know very well which is original and which is not . 

I think higher price deserves to a stock and clean car , just like the other classical cars . 

If this car had a stock coil springs , stock magnesium wheels, and sit it’s correct hight , would have  looked much better.

And the after market roll bars deduct buyers attention a lot . 

Other non original small parts ,  to obtain correct parts is tough but , you would be even enjoying to collect parts for a right shape Z432. 

Kats

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