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New discovery; the story of solid/chrome Z emblem

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Kats, the statements from Mr Matsuo do answer the questions you asked at the start of this thread. I agree that everyone touched on the correct answer, but think Will came up with the best descriptive answer to explain the process and actions that had to be taken and it seems that none of this comes as a surprise to Alan or perhaps others, but does confirm suspicions.

Naturally, we are left now with more questions, but maybe not of the type that Mr. Matsuo can or would be comfortable answering. His involvement or interest in the reasoning behind Mr. Katayama's objections of using the "Fairlady" name was probably limited. I'm sure he and his team were much too busy with their own daily challenges to be concerned with this objection/decision chain of events, and a timeline would be difficult to nail down after so many years, by relying on memory alone.

You are correct in pointing out the difficulty of recalling events that took place so long ago. I can tell you from personal experience that one model year to the next and the shear volume of different models and the many variances thereof become a jumbled blur. Mr. Matsao would need time to reflect back so far, in order to provide answers to any questions. We are lucky and grateful that he has shared his knowledge and experiences and also that you have passed this information on to us. Thank you.

Alan, thanks for your patience and explanation of the early domestic market B post emblems. I did have a problem understanding how left & right side specific emblems with different mounting pin locations could be interchanged with the export market version…but now I got it.

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Thank you geezer,

I have lots of things to discuss.What am I doing first?

This is a scan from Mr.Matsuo's letter.

Mike,I also thinking about solid(not hollowed) emblem for rear deck 240Z and fender DATSUN and hood DATSUN.

I guess quater emblem and rear deck DATSUN are only one for the solid type.

Seems to me these two were not settle down untile the end of design study.

Also,I guess emblems for Fairlady cars are all hollowed type with white Z painted because they are finished well before the production.

kats

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Mike,I also thinking about solid(not hollowed) emblem for rear deck 240Z and fender DATSUN and hood DATSUN.

I guess quater emblem and rear deck DATSUN are only one for the solid type.

Seems to me these two were not settle down untile the end of design study.

Hi Kats, I'm not sure if I posted about this before, but last year when I bought HLS30-00210 I found that it had a solid cast hood emblem (along with solid cast 240Z quarter emblems and a solid cast rear deck Datsun emblem). The rear deck 240Z and fender Datsun emblems were hollow cast though. This is the only solid hood emblem I have seen before. HLS30-00032 came with all of its original metal emblems too, but its hood emblem was hollow cast.

-Mike

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On 2008-08-12 at 6:28 PM, HS30-H said:

Hi Mike,

A few very early production HLS30s were sent to Europe ( arriving in Belgium and Holland ) for road testing and evaluation. One of them took part in the 1970 Geneva motor show. More than one of them ( at least two, and maybe more ) became test mules for the European rally program.

When talking about early production '240Zs' it is also worth remembering the HS30s ( ie - RHD ) that we know Nissan made amongst the very first pre-production and production cars.

Cheers,

Alan T.

I wonder if this is where the "lost" chassis HLS-00009 to HLS-00012 went?

Geneva certainly had one in March however later production Z's were arriving in NA by then so it may not have been one of the "lost". For "very" early Z's to be in Europe, one would expect an arrival of Sept/Oct 1969 like in North America.

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Hi Blue , thanks for the picture and your statement is very interesting, we need to discover it .

Today I would like to show you this , A Fairlady-Z ‘s solid metal quarter emblem , an ultra early emblem .

I have got this recently, and this is Right side quarter emblem as you can see “R “ on it . Attached pictures show the difference between hollowed metal emblem and solid metal emblem. 

I found the solid emblem is a little bit thicker than hollowed emblem. And it is so heavy to compare the hollowed emblem.

I am impressed with this solid emblem is so clean and shiny, almost identical to the hollowed ones which are literally New In Box .

I asked the seller if he has a solid Left quarter emblem, but he did not .

As we already know , nearly 1000 Japanese  Zs ( L20 and S20 models  ) were produced by the end of Dec 1969 . This quantity is almost double of export S30s ( L24 model ) , but I cannot be optimistic,  it is so hard to see the early production Fairlady Zs nowadays.

Kats

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