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I checked room mirror basement of my 2146 and 2156 , they both have the same date on it . “ 0.2.7 “ I think it says 1970 February 7th.

Also a horn contact plate , 2146 has “ 45. 2. 3.” 
1970 February 3rd . 
Unfortunately 2156 lost the stamp , almost nothing I can read . 
It is so fun to look at , imagine old days of Nissan shatai factory . Not only Nissan shatai , each small part was made different manufacturers, interesting!

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Hi , I did a little bit for HLS30-2146 . Rear bumper removed, tried to straighten by rubber hammer and wood basement, I feel long way to be straightened . 
 

Today I want to show headlight cases which I am working on.

Please see the pictures, I found 2146 has a steel type on the right hand side, so I am going to replace it with a plastic old one . You see the steel type has round corners on front edge , which is easily noticed from our view . 

What I want to say is ,  my 2156 has plastic type but they were NOS when the car was restored in 2000.  And those NOS headlight cases are not showing sharp edges like the old originals . 
You can see the difference between the two, my 2156 and old original.

This old original is sharpened by my hand a little bit more as I found it had a thick paint on it .
 

I really love this pointy headlight case , how about you?

Kats 

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1 hour ago, kats said:

Today I want to show headlight cases which I am working on.

Please see the pictures, I found 2146 has a steel type on the right hand side, so I am going to replace it with a plastic old one . You see the steel type has round corners on front edge , which is easily noticed from our view . 

What I want to say is ,  my 2156 has plastic type but they were NOS when the car was restored in 2000.  And those NOS headlight cases are not showing sharp edges like the old originals . 
You can see the difference between the two, my 2156 and old original.

This old original is sharpened by my hand a little bit more as I found it had a thick paint on it .
 

I really love this pointy headlight case , how about you?


I am imagining Tamura san agreeing with you. 'Sharp', like freshly-ironed creases in fabric.

 

 

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Hey Kats,

I had a bumper restored by a company in Melbourne who were able to straighten it out really well, better than I could with a hammer/dolly.

Photos before:

https://www.viczcar.com/forums/topic/12896-wtb-rear-bumper-2-seater-s30z/?do=findComment&comment=176976

Photos after:

https://www.viczcar.com/forums/topic/12896-wtb-rear-bumper-2-seater-s30z/?do=findComment&comment=186589

Originally I was going to put this back on my red 72 (HS30 10552), but it was too nice compared to the rest of the car. So I swapped the bumper off HS30 00150 onto the red car and have kept the restored bumper for HS30 00150 when that car is repainted.

They did such a great job, I would not bother buying the aftermarket bumpers on offer. Instead I'd have them restore the originals! I think the finish is probably better than back in 1970.

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RE: Headlights, I assume the metal die used to cast the headlight buckets could not easily get that sharply defined edge on the headlight buckets the way an FRP mould could. So probably why they have a more "dull" looking edge. But to be honest I never would have noticed if it were not for you pointing it out!

RE: Date stamps I love finding that stuff, problem is if you have those parts re-plated during restoration you lose the little factory stamps.. 😞

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On 4/21/2022 at 7:51 AM, Mark Maras said:

 The edge on the headlight cases should be the same as the edge on the hood to look the best.

I didn’t think about that, it makes sense to have the same edge on the bonnet. I will check it ! 
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Hi Gavin , I see you have skills!!

I want to do it like you , but maybe I can’t. Just give it a try.

I will show you my progress of hammering bumpers and panels .

 

Yesterday I took my 240ZG to my mothers home, 885km (550 mile) . I checked 606.2 km for 44.45 litters  during daytime , 90 % on the high way .The fuel economy was 13.63 kilometers/ litter ( 32.08 miles /US gal) . Conditions were  like this ,

Average speed 100km/h with 5th gear / 3.9 final gear 

Overall field elevation, I don’t know ,, but Japan ,a lot of mountains everywhere in a small landscape .Probably I was driving on a Slightly up and down road .

Average temperature was 20 degrees Celsius (68 degrees  fahrenheit). Wind less than 10 knots, variable.

Does my maths look reasonable ? 
 

Kats

 

 

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Additional photos, cherry blossoms , like me , Japanese people really love it. 
Side note , original tire was 175 HR 14 for this car , not available anymore today .Yokohama tyre is selling 175 80-14 for classic cars . I put them on my car , not perfect but not bad .

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These pair of dashes are on Ebay just now. Most S30 owners won't see this unless there car is apart, but under the steering column section, markings from the factory (carrying on the glovebox and radio markings in the thread) The top one looks like ENG for England, the other...?

 

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13 hours ago, kats said:

Yesterday I took my 240ZG to my mothers home, 885km (550 mile) . I checked 606.2 km for 44.45 litters  during daytime , 90 % on the high way .The fuel economy was 13.63 kilometers/ litter ( 32.08 miles /US gal) . Conditions were  like this ,

Average speed 100km/h with 5th gear / 3.9 final gear 

Overall field elevation, I don’t know ,, but Japan ,a lot of mountains everywhere in a small landscape .Probably I was driving on a Slightly up and down road .

Average temperature was 20 degrees Celsius (68 degrees  fahrenheit). Wind less than 10 knots, variable.

Does my maths look reasonable ? 
 

Kats

Hey Kats, that is great fuel economy and your math is spot on. For comparison 13.63km/L equals 7.33 L/100km, my 2017 Nissan Sentra SR Turbo (1.6L turbo), with a 6 speed manual, is rated at 7.3 L/100km HWY, (source 2017 Nissan brochure). Very good considering the 45 year difference.

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On 4/22/2022 at 9:56 PM, RIP260Z said:

These pair of dashes are on Ebay just now. Most S30 owners won't see this unless there car is apart, but under the steering column section, markings from the factory (carrying on the glovebox and radio markings in the thread) The top one looks like ENG for England, the other...?

 

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Hi Ian , the pair of dash and the rear spoiler!! They must be a treasure for someone in RHD region. ENG must be English I think so too , and the other is unique. We have a very good thread about “ Kanji character “ under the dash in our forums, this will be a good candidate for the thread I think.

As a native Japanese speaker, I see this is showing 可 ( pronunciation is “ ka “ basically means “ OK “ and / or “able“ ) .

There are three style (basically) of stroke , the one which is written on the dash metal is the third style which is the most fast and rough stroke . Sometimes it is very difficult to read for our generation, I think some hundred years ago , This style was usual thing for everyone ( I see them only in a text book in school or Japanese old temples and shrines, that kind of museums etc )  . By the way, my elder sister has been teaching Shodo (書道) , Japanese calligraphy. Maybe she knows what the painting is.

I tried to write for you , the left is the standard stroke 可, the right is the fast and relaxing style . 
 

However , what does it really mean? As I am reading our thread,  we think these paintings on the dash metal are sometimes no meanings , sometimes means for model designation , etc .

Kats

 

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On 4/22/2022 at 10:57 PM, CanTechZ said:

Hey Kats, that is great fuel economy and your math is spot on. For comparison 13.63km/L equals 7.33 L/100km, my 2017 Nissan Sentra SR Turbo (1.6L turbo), with a 6 speed manual, is rated at 7.3 L/100km HWY, (source 2017 Nissan brochure). Very good considering the 45 year difference.

Hi CanTechZ , thank you so much, I am happy that the maths is good. Like you said, it is great for that old engine.

 Now I am curious about our 3.364 rear final gear , I want to hear from someone put 5 speed into a US 240Z . How it feels in a town driving ? If not bad , then it will bring great fuel mileage, will not it ? 
 

My ZG ‘s FS5C71B has 0.864 for the 5th gear , with 3.900 final gear looks almost the same as 4 speed with 3.364 final gear, doesn’t it ? 

Next time I will test my US 240Z on the high way , I guess fuel mileage will be close to ZG , or the effects of G-nose and rear spoiler will make a obvious difference between the two cars.

Picture is my ZG 06/1972 , no emissions devices .Accumulates 78000km , maybe no overhaul since new .
From 03/1973 (HS30-102001 , S30-103001) all Fairlady models except PZ got emissions devices. L24 got HMB 46 W , canister box , reservoir tank in the rear right fender . However, no air pump! 

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On 4/23/2022 at 11:15 AM, Captain Obvious said:

Kats, Just wanted to say that I love the pictures. I know you are on the other side of the globe, but your Spring season looks just like mine.  

Hi Captain!! I am glad that you like it , Spring season brings energy. I have heard a Mayer of Tokyo sent cherry blossoms to Washington DC 100 years ago, people are looking at the same trees like in Japan . Wonderful!

Kats

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On 4/24/2022 at 2:25 AM, kats said:

As a native Japanese speaker, I see this is showing 可 ( pronunciation is “ ka “ basically means “ OK “ and / or “able“ ) .

There are three style (basically) of stroke , the one which is written on the dash metal is the third style which is the most fast and rough stroke . Sometimes it is very difficult to read for our generation, I think some hundred years ago , This style was usual thing for everyone ( I see them only in a text book in school or Japanese old temples and shrines, that kind of museums etc )  . By the way, my elder sister has been teaching Shodo (書道) , Japanese calligraphy. Maybe she knows what the painting is.

I tried to write for you , the left is the standard stroke 可, the right is the fast and relaxing style .

Interesting Kats. I got fairly familiar with kanji when I was looking at period magazine articles for the csp website. I had to look at the kanji (sometimes with a magnifying glass as the print/paper quality in the 1960's wasn't great), work out how many "sub kanji" are in it, as it could be a combination of "sub kanji" all with a differening number of strokes per "sub kanji" . There was a great website (not there now) which listed these "sub kanji" by the number of strokes, and you ticked what you worked out and hopefully end up with the correct kanji in the magazine. E.G (if my memory serves me well) 可 is made of two "sub kanji" the square and the "J" with the top line. Both are written in a particular stroke order.

Sorry, there probably is a better/correct way of saying this than "sub kanji", but I was looking on my own, ploughing through 70-80 thousand kanji... before running through Google translate in a curtailed way sometimes.

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Alan kindly gave me a sticker of this which is proudly on my RS30. About fuel if I remember.. The left image faces out, whilst the right faces into the car as its applied to the glass.

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Hi Ian , you study Kanji , that is a great thing. If I were you , I would not have had that motivation for additional new language 😅

The emissions decal , that is a part two of emissions programs of the Japanese government. 
The part one was January 1973 , all cars needed to reduce 3 degrees of ignition timing .

The part two was February 1973 , all cars had to have the green ball to reduce the ignition timing.

The part three was March 1973 , almost all cars had to have new carbs , canisters, reservoir fuel tank etc at assembly lines ( S20 cars didn’t) .

After March  1973 , when at a periodical maintenance and a Shaken inspection ( required by the government) , all cars had to have the green ball even if  the car was made before January 1973 .

My Fairlady 240ZG still has the green ball , but I can’t feel loss of enjoyment. My Z432 , I didn’t want it so get rid of it . Today at the required inspection, the green ball doesn’t have to be there , I don’t know why . Maybe it was a recommendation? 

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Some progress of my 2146 .

I took off radiator, A/C units , exhaust, etc . This car had been serviced in the US, I found I needed tools for inches. So many bolts and nuts were used in inches, especially for the A/C system and the exhaust system which were installed in a shop there . 
 

I am going to pull out the engine soon , exciting!

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Kamesawa san , who helped me out today , owns 1972 Skyline GTR ( KPGC 10 ) . His car , is non restored, preserved condition, so much original parts all over the car . He loves non restored car , so he said I must not repaint 2146 . And I am thinking it is nice to remain as it is . 
Kats

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Yesterday, we inspected piston , this engine has pistons which have valve relief on top . I am wondering what kind of manufacture are they? 
 

The block has casting code 0211K , 1970 , February 11th K . 
2146 and 2156 has the same date block .

Edit : no, my 2156 has 0212I , one day behind of 2146 ! 

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On 5/26/2004 at 12:32 AM, kats said:

Hi,

I am also very much interested in this thread.

My L24-005562 has a casting code "E31" then "02121" on the block.

mdbrandy,your casting code "9901F" make me think about"the date of casting" What do you think if it shows "1969 Sep 01 F"

Does it make sence? If my"02121" will be read "0212I"?If so,will it show 1970 Feb 12 I"?

I would like to see more casting codes close to my build date early 1970.

Thank you,

kats

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I like this thread very much! 
Kats

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Had to look at my casting numbers.  HLS30-00026 has engine # L24-02338 casting # 9828A.  HLS30-00027 has engine # L24-02162 casting # 9901D.  26th is a November car.  27th is an October car.

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On 5/5/2022 at 9:38 PM, kats said:

Kamesawa san , who helped me out today , owns 1972 Skyline GTR ( KPGC 10 ) . His car , is non restored, preserved condition, so much original parts all over the car . He loves non restored car , so he said I must not repaint 2146 . And I am thinking it is nice to remain as it is . 
Kats

Hi Kats,

I used to think I love them unrestored also, but it really messes with my OCD. Especially because on my white 71 the paint has flaked off in areas. I'm thinking I'll try and patch and touch it up, but leave it as rough and ready as I can, until the day I can't take it anymore and decide to refinish it properly.

The hard part is knowing what parts to restore on it. For example do you replate hardware? Repaint the engine block? Air cleaner? Etc..? Reskin the dashboard?

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