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Sport Z Mag. Closing Down

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    While the issue of subscriptions has been addressed, I have to take issue with your post. SportZ was an enthusiast magazine. The guys working on the magazine are enthusiasts wanting to improve the community.

    Which scenario do you think is more accurate?

    1. They were trying to defraud you of your subscription money.

    2. They were doing everything they could to keep the publication afloat, but they finally realized they could not go on with the losses.

    It was the principle of the matter. Say i leased you a new truck, And then i decided you wernt getting that truck, but a totally different one.

    How would you feel about that? Not happy im sure.

    Now im not bashing, i am only stating my feelings. I most likly will keep a subscription to the new mag as well.

    But i would have liked a little notice before i paid the subscription

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    The ethics would depend upon how the business is set up. They would not be based upon your wishes. If the magazine has been losing money as stated, there are more debts than assets. With the closure of the business, the magazine would need to liquidate assets and pay debts according to the laws that govern it. The magazine owes subscribers like it owes the businesses it used to publish the magazine. There are also people who worked for the magazine that may be owed wages. Should the employees and other businesses be deprived of the money they LEGALLY deserve just to refund your subscription?

    Let's consider it this way. Which would you prefer: pennies on the dollar (at most) for your subscription or another publication honoring your subscription?

    Are worse nothing at all.........These guys could have walked away and didn't.

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    SportZ,

    I just went to the old site and all links indicate that it's closing up. What I was looking for is if there are any back issues available for purchase? Please let me know ASAP as I'm certain that things will be moving very quickly at this point as far as people moving and office space being vacated etc.

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    It was the principle of the matter. Say i leased you a new truck, And then i decided you wernt getting that truck, but a totally different one.

    How ywou you feel about that? Not happy im sure.

    Now im not bashing, i am only stating my feelings. I most likly will keep a subscription to the new mag as well.

    But i would have liked a little notice before i paid the subscription

    As for the example of a lease: apples and oranges. If you're going to compare things, make sure there is a valid comparison. It's more like this: You pay Spic And Span Carpet Cleaners in advance for their carpet cleaning service for a year. The rise in fuel prices drives Spic and Span out of business. Sure Clean buys Spic and Span's customer list and offers to cover the rest of the year, but Sure Clean doesn't use Spic and Span's patented cleaning method. Are you going to turn down Sure Clean's offer and get nothing? (Apparently not, since you're going to take the new magazine.)

    Most magazines fail. Some are able to sell their subscription list to reduce their losses. As for warning you, did you expect them to publish financial statements online?

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    The ethics would not "depend upon how the business is set up".

    The ethical and moral code of the business owner is the guiding principal. As a CPA, I deal with many businesses that are undercapitalized or poorly operated. Unfortunately, too many individuals take funds that are not their own, either employee wages, vendor funds, IRS tax monies, sales tax monies, or customers monies, and use these funds to sustain a business operation or personal lifestyle. At the end of the business lifecycle, some business owners do not satisfy all their financial obligations and society as a whole has unwittingly subsidized the business operation or (even worse) personal lifestyle. In some instances, legal requirements force the business owner to make all parties whole. In other instances the ethic of the business owner place a moral obligation on him/her to make all parties whole.

    I do not know specifics of Sport Z Magazine financial situation, but only can look to the final financial satisfaction of their subscriber base to demonstrate the ethics of the business owner.

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    I'm having a hard time reading this thread. Perhaps I'm confused. SportZ magazine is changing names, modifying their format a bit, will take a little time to put out their next issue, and there is a discussion about getting your money back? Excuse me?

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    I'm having a hard time reading this thread. Perhaps I'm confused. SportZ magazine is changing names, modifying their format a bit, will take a little time to put out their next issue, and there is a discussion about getting your money back? Excuse me?

    SportZ is ending publication. Some of the staff members have scraped together some financing to start a new publication. They will honor the old SportZ subscriptions, though. The new publication has a larger scope than just Z cars, expanding to cover the Nissan line.

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    Sad news about Sport Z magazine. I did subscribe for a year but, based on the content of the magazine I decided to discontinue my subscription. To me, most of the content was best suited for the newbie who has little or no knowledge about the Z car. For those who have been involved with the Z car for some time, there was little offered that wasn't already common knowledge.

    Now, the actual effort the magazine staff put toward the magazine is certainly commendable and should be praised! But with internet access and websites like this one, Hybridz, and technical sites related, one would be hard pressed to compete with a magazine. Also, since the Z car crowd is essentially a very small niche in the world of car enthusists, the expected level of subscribers is also likely to be very small.

    Sometimes things just don't work out no matter how well planned or exicuted. Anyway, I wish the staff the best on their new endeavor.

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    Funny story about Sport Z; ever since November it has caused a problem with our local Z club. If every member of the the Z club whould have subscribtion the club would get its name listed on the club page. A few select clubs accomplished the goal by adding in the cost of the magazine to the yearly club dues. Our president wanted to do the same but was hit by strong opposition from one peticular club member who used the "by-laws" as a way avoiding having to pay for the subscription. The rift ruined 2 or 3 monthly meetings, the funny part is that we actually wasted 2 or 3 meeting and chased away a few good Z guys for NOTHING!!!! Damn that Sport Z....

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    You missed my point, Steve. Let me a little more blunt. You got cheap and you got low-class cheapskates. Which one is it?

    Quite frankly, SportZ was pretty close to the sharp end of the Z car world. In case you all haven't noticed, the number of S30s out there is dwindling rapidly, the S32 crowd is probably the dominant crowd at the moment and the Z33 crowd is very well about to take over. Z car events are geared to the Z32 / Z33 crowd and the S30 guys who have held the backbone of the Z world for so many years are simply not around anymore. Young kids are spending on their Z33s money that equals my complete restoration and magazines catering to any specific marques spend most of their copy space on what is new in the market. Pick up a copy of Roundel and show me all the space devoted to the 02, for instance.

    I applaud Nissan Sport. Look forward to their new venture and wish them all the best of good fortune.

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    SportZ,

    I just went to the old site and all links indicate that it's closing up. What I was looking for is if there are any back issues available for purchase? Please let me know ASAP as I'm certain that things will be moving very quickly at this point as far as people moving and office space being vacated etc.

    Dammit, you beat me again!

    Will

    You tell them Chris, the Z community is large because of the newer models, and deep because of the S30.

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    SportZMagazine or RAZ1 -

    Please give us a description of the anticipated content of the new Nissan Sport magazine. From the name it obviously will focus on Nissan sports cars. That could mean many things. Would I be correct in assuming this will include the SX line, the "sporty" Sentras, Skylines, and possibly even vintage sports including Roadsters and race/souped up 510's and the like? (and of course the Z lineage obviously) What about performance SUVs (Xterra maybe I don't know)? And we won't see reviews for the 2007 Maxima and crap like that right? Will it also include ricer Altimas with coffee can exhaust pipes? A quick glance at the newstands will show that there's already plenty of that to go around. Anyway I would be much more interested in subscribing if you plan a fair amount of coverage of the vintage/classic Datsun sports cars, z cars and otherwise. Thanks

    Michael

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    Perhaps the honorable thing for Sport Z Magazine to do is to refund the unpublished prorated subscription fee to each subscriber and allow the subscriber the privilege to decide what magazines he/she prefers to patronize. I am certain an ethical person does not want to feel that they are stealing money from people who purchased a 1,2 or 3 year subscription.

    Keith

    Sport Z is no more, get over it. Your choices are take the new magazine's offer, or take nothing. If they had the money to refund your subscription, they would probably still be in business. I don't consider it stealing, if in good faith, they took your subscription money and tried to make the magazine work, but in all of their best efforts, it failed.

    I'm just glad the new magazine is honoring our subscriptions, its more than any other out of business magazine has offered.

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    Sorry to read of the demise of Sport Z magazine, but I wish Art and company the best of luck with their new venture. I look forward to seeing what Nissan Sport is all about. Guess I'll have to squirrel away my copies of Sport Z with the previous ZCar magazine version and hope my wife doesn't find the stash...

    GWGarrard

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    Sport Z is no more, get over it. Your choices are take the new magazine's offer, or take nothing. If they had the money to refund your subscription, they would probably still be in business. I don't consider it stealing, if in good faith, they took your subscription money and tried to make the magazine work, but in all of their best efforts, it failed.

    I'm just glad the new magazine is honoring our subscriptions, its more than any other out of business magazine has offered.

    I agree. I am not just glad, I am extremely thankful that Nissan Sport is willing to go the extra mile and honor the subscriptions. I work in retail and while one business is going under another is stepping up and taking care of customers. (not even their customers) They didn't have to, They are. THANK YOU!!!

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    Maybe I am biased but I always thought the Nissan crowd (us) was not a very good target audience for a "paper" magazine. I think we are better targetted to more leading edge media like cyberspace. We have excellent resources on the internet, and most of what a magazine rack could/would offer can be found elsewhere.

    I always considered early Datsun collectors to be years ahead of their time...

    whereas the chevy/ford group haven't or can't access the type page we are on right now.

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    Hi Michael, yes we plan to cover the SX line, Sentras, Skylines, Roadsters and 510's.

    The funny thing is, when we first started SZM, I tried to get the roadster and 510 crowd into the magazine. I called writers, contacted websites asking people if they were interested in writing articles for these cars. And to my surprise they all said no thank you and good luck. My goal was always to bring in the older Datsun cars, but it was hard to do without the support of the community.

    We want to do it now because we think it's the right thing to do. if you think the Z community is small, the 510 and Roadster crowd is microscopic in comparison. But that's not a reason not to include them in the new magazine.

    Montezuma, that's the great thing about living in to good old US of A. You have the right to vote on it. If a club doesn't want to be a member that is ok with us. We never try to force any club to do something they don't want to. I will contact a club once or twice to see if they are intrested, after that they will never have to worry about me hounding them. if I were at your meetings I would have said don't join even if one person was against it. This program is a support issue.

    But there is one thing I don't like and that is a double standard. A club (and I belong to one) has no problem taking membership dues from a member they wouldn't know if they were standing in front of them every year when it comes time for renewal. Chances are a certain few have never been to an event or meeting but the club is willing to take their money and spend it anyway they see fit. So that to me is more about taking money from someone and offering nothing in return. I'm getting off subject. This is an issue that bothers me with or without a magazine.

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    Montezuma, that's the great thing about living in to good old US of A. You have the right to vote on it. If a club doesn't want to be a member that is ok with us. We never try to force any club to do something they don't want to. I will contact a club once or twice to see if they are intrested, after that they will never have to worry about me hounding them. if I were at your meetings I would have said don't join even if one person was against it. This program is a support issue.

    I for one was "FOR" the idea, I love...errrr....loved the magazine, I actually looked forward to its arrival and was hoping for a monthly vice bi-monthly, I can honestly say I did not see the demise coming. I would read it cover to cover, sometimes over and over. I own a G35 Coupe 6MT, 78 and 73Z and a Sentra SE-R the magazine was a perfect fit for me. I will miss it. I can tell you this; our club was one guy away from being on board, the one guy is very knowledgeable in the by-laws and would not budge, add the fact that the Prez is a "say it like it is" New Yorker the meeting got a little uncomfortable. The end of Sport Z is very sad news, I however do look forward to the effort of the next magazine and I for one will subscribe. My compliments to the Editor.

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    Sport Z is no more, get over it. Your choices are take the new magazine's offer, or take nothing. If they had the money to refund your subscription, they would probably still be in business. I don't consider it stealing, if in good faith, they took your subscription money and tried to make the magazine work, but in all of their best efforts, it failed.

    I'm just glad the new magazine is honoring our subscriptions, its more than any other out of business magazine has offered.

    But since we live in america we have more choices then to just "deal with it" Sport Z could be sued for breeching their contract to us, becouse we paid for their service and they stopped prividing.

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    First off, sorry to hear about this. While not a subscriber, I admired what you tried to do. I always thought the Z thing was too much of a niche to support an ongoing mag, but you withstood 5+ years, that's commendable.

    Ok, now to my selfish part - the summer version was supposed to have the pic of my wife/car from the "Best Pose" contest - I placed an order for the summer issue (hasn't been received yet). Can I get a confirmation that 1) I'll receive the issue and 2) I get my 2 minutes of fame?

    As I said, I am being purely selfish, so withhold flames. I really only ordered this issue to see my wife/car picture...If it's in there, I'll purchase 10 more.

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    rdefabri, your wife and car will be in the Fall issue of Nissan Sport. But I did tell you that it might be hard for us to publish the picture that won.You told me that you would send some more pictures, but I never recieved any. You still have time. I will show the winning image to the rest of the team here and they can vote whether the image stays or goes. Because there is no Summer issue of SZM, all articles moved to the Fall. No matter what, the article on the contest will be in there even if it's not the exact image that won.

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    Hey guys, first of all, please note that Sport Z Mag is NOT shutting down. They are simply changing some things. That kind of thing happens in life.

    Next point... I HIGHLY suggest that Sport Z Mag considers releasing the Summer issue as their "Last Issue as Sport Z Magazine"... There are a lot of people counting on the issue and we were looking forward to seeing the best pose winner in all her glory. Make the last issue go out with a BANG!

    -- Mike

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    But since we live in america we have more choices then to just "deal with it" Sport Z could be sued for breeching their contract to us, becouse we paid for their service and they stopped prividing.
    If the company no longer exists, who are you going to sue? And are you really going to sue over $30?

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    Friends,

    I'm positively astonished about the echo this issue has. I've always been glad that there was a magazine on Z cars and I can understand the problems a magazine has in such a small market. I'm also shure there were much more readers than buyers, that's usual and okay but not that good for the magazinemakers. I press my thumbs for a successful new start and I'm shure that the Zs will take a big part 'cause the Z enthusiast are the core subscribers. What's about official NISSAN (US and international)? The new magazine should have their support,too. Here in Germany NISSAN has no interests in elder Nissans or Datsuns (most Nissan officials do not even know Datsun and the Nissan history), so I'm personally not interested in Nissan, but I will support the new magazine when and here wanted.This Z-voice must survive, as classiczcars.com, too

    Rolf.

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