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Pick this one apart!

I figure it is a $6,000 to $8000 car on a good day.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4536198385&category=6187

Too many things that are wrong with the "restoration", but a nice car.

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Will

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Still, not a bad looking car though. Most Z cars on the road look better than mine and this one sure does. He is asking too much though.

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Pick this one apart!

I figure it is a $6,000 to $8000 car on a good day.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4536198385&category=6187

Too many things that are wrong with the "restoration", but a nice car.

Check out all of the fluf and the pompas knowledge!

Will

Woof! 13K and climbing, WAY too much for that car (IMHO).

This one caught my eye...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6187&item=4535949215&rd=1

I've always thought white was a very nice Z color. If the price doesnt go up too much, this could be a nice catch.

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This guy's history lesson appears to be Waaaay Out of Whack (Goertz again!). Of course the Buy It Now of $23.5K should have told me to not be surprised by anything he put in the auction.

This is NOT meant to be a comprehensive list of oddities found in the auction

Air Cleaner is a weird color

Rear Suspension is McPherson Struts??? :stupid:

Driver Door is interesting. I've thought about putting a "Jesus" handle on it like the passenger door (in fact, I bought an extra for that purpose)

Cargo Straps are missing for rear deck area

I wonder, in what language the book was written where he quoted that "Gret Britan" received 549 240Z's mfg'd in 1972

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Woof! 13K and climbing, WAY too much for that car (IMHO).

No bids yet, that is just the opening bid amount that the seller is demanding. Let's see if he gets any bids!

This one caught my eye...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6187&item=4535949215&rd=1

I've always thought white was a very nice Z color. If the price doesnt go up too much, this could be a nice catch.

That ISN'T a BRE front spoiler

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Hi Guys:

Boy... 240-Z's must be way less expensive where you live...

The Yellow car:

Actually looks like it might be a pretty nice example.

Let's say that it inspects out... as described.. and that in fact it is a stand up example..One that would stand up to serious inspection.

Lets say that the paint and body were done correctly for a serious "refresh".. car stripped to a body shell, then body and paint work done to at least factory quality or better.. then the car was reassembled with care to the details etc..

It would sell pretty quickly around here for between $12K and $14K today.

The minor problems with the Air Cleaner, door panels etc could be corrected without too much work/expense. (Carl, I think that might be a Fairlady door panel on the drivers side... a lot of them came in and got sold as OEM for the US 240-Z's... which of course they weren't). But then he has speakers in the door panels, so you'd have to replace them anyway if you wanted "stock"....

A rust free California owned 240-Z in unrestored, but very good condition is today a $5K to $6.5K car...(solid frame rails and floorboards etc).

"Refresh" it today and you will easily spend a year of your spare time and an additional $18K.

From the pictures and description... this Yellow car looks like a solid $3 car.

The White 72...

We don't know the quality of the "respray" but it sounds like the car was just mask off, and top coated.. Wrong hood, wrong carpeting, cracked dash... Lots of minor issues and problems.. Nonetheless, it should be in that $5K to $6.5K range...This car would most likely be a very good driver, that later would have the possibility of being fully refreshed or even restored.. the current owner most likely has twice that amount in it... and in a few years he'll be kicking himself in the rear end, for ever letting it go... a few years from now he won't be able to replace it for twice that amount either...

If it inspected out.. to be as represented... it would most likely be a pretty good deal on a 240-Z today at anywhere near, plus or minus $6.5K. Someone back east might go as high as $7.5K...

Of course we all know that pictures tell you nothing... we would have to physically inspect either of these closely... There is however a big difference between the two, in terms of their overall quality.

FWIW,

Carl B.

Clearwater, FL

http://ZHome.com

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(Carl, I think that might be a Fairlady door panel on the drivers side... a lot of them came in and got sold as OEM for the US 240-Z's... which of course they weren't). But then he has speakers in the door panels, so you'd have to replace them anyway if you wanted "stock"....

That certainly could be the case. Even if not, I've noticed what I believe to be provisions in my 72 HLS driver door (itself) for a handle to be installed. All that would be needed (it appears) would be to poke holes in the upholstered door panel. Could it be possible that the doors for HS and HLS models are the same, thus a provison for the handle to be on either door depending on vehicle configuration?

I'm not sure that I agree with Will's valuation of the car, but IMO the opening bid amount is very close to the absolute top value it would draw in my area.

Wee will all know what it was worth to one person in a few days.

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hehe the yellow car is not bad. I don't care much for the wheels or front air dam I do like the rear view mirrors. Only problem with the car i can see is the roll cage. I think it's a bit far forward and in the way. I've seen much nicer more practical set ups in a Z before.

Why would you want a roll cage in a mostly stock Z anyway?

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Is it just me or does the wiring behind the fusebox on the yellow Z look like it's been through it with Phyllis Diller's hairstylist? (Look at the picture taken from the passenger door looking towards the interior and center console)

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Look at the shot of the rear wheel, is that a bit of rust/bubbles just in front of the wheel? Maybe, maybe not? Still a nice car, pricey, but nice. The roll bar is most tacky IMO.

Vicky

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That roll bar with the thick padding looks like it would hit you in the back of the head.

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Here is what I saw on this restoration

1)Engine Compartment: air cleaner, coil, corrosion on the valve cover, rust on almost all of the hardware(nuts, bolts,brake fluid caps, solonoid, battery hold down...), rust near battery tray, original squirter plumbing, junkyard crayon on the bell housing, empty mounting holes, Hayden electric fan-conveniently no photos showing the frame rails from above at all. Frame rails from below are beat up at the front, and show rust in the seams and drain hole. Holes in radiator support.

2)Spectacular interior: Cracked console with extra holes in it! Cut wiring hanging from under dash. No map light cover-the white housing is showing! Green fuzz on vents, missing seat mechanism covers, wrong steering wheel, rust on the roll bar mount, missing foot rest cover, pieces out of the rear deck finisher, no luggage straps(or even holes in the carpet for them), definite interferance between the seats and the roll bar, water spots on the shock tower vinyl, a cut in the back of the passenger seat, water marks at the bottom lower corner of the evaporator housing.

3)Exterior: Wrong door mirrors, no hatch emblems, rust bubbles ahead of DSR wheel and near tail pipe, bent lower rear panel, Something wrong with passenger side door sill. Rusty hatch hardware. Overspray on the undercoat.

I guess many of the things I saw are the difference between freshening/modding and restoring.

But some of them(original washer plumbing) are just indicative of trying to save a buck? To have been gone through three years ago, the car should have been more detailed when gone through-if the hardware rust has come up since then, imagine what will happen if the car sees rain. A broken console, hanginging disconnected or cut wiring, water spots on the vinyl, rust bubbles, and only two pictures of the improtant areas of the car-oops and a wealth of misleading and vague info to add hype. The person selling it read one book on Zs, and considers himself to be well educated on them. The car is a pretty driver, but if it is a $13,000 '72, then mine will be a $23,000 example, and I haven't seen a modified low mileage 240Z bring that.

Will

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Also as far as I can tell the rear dog-leg panel seams are gone, which might indicate that rust problems required that they be replaced. It's easier to smooth out (shave?) that seam than to make it look like the original spot welded seam. I had both of those replaced on my car and I"ll probably have to hide that seam also.

Michael

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Man, I have to agree with Will's post! Good eye Will! We all know photographs can hide alot of little things...if you know what I mean? Also, from the looks of the undercarrige, which looks pretty hammered and rust riden, this car looks as though it has had a paint job and some tires and wheels added and that about it! This guy obviously has no idea the current value of these cars, based on the condition it is in! $23.500.00??? He's got to be kinding. To copy Will's explaination regarding price....then my 1970 240Z should be worth at least $30,000.00..............any taker???? LOLLOLLOL

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My husband always says look under the car first. This will tell you what kind of life the car has lived and how thorough the restoration was.

Will has my vote for "Z Police Chief" :classic:

Vicky

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Maybe someone should email the seller and say "Dude, did you look at the condition of comparable cars on EBay before you priced this one?"

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He gets really pissed if you leave negitive feedback! ROFL Just read what he says! Comes off as a jerk to me.

Buyer:

Said truck currently registered; DMV said $1550 fees; not registered in 6 years

Buyer marshasguy ( -1 ) Dec-16-02 19:43 1873638597

Seller:

Reply by caliandcali: HORRIBLE PERSON,SIGNED& AGREED TO ALL FEES, &VERY HAPPY WITH THE TRUCK? Dec-28-02 17:21

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Well, it's obvious that the auction is run by a Auto Reseller (Dealer, Broker, Agent, whatever)

When was the last time you believed anything that one of them told you without verifying it yourself?

They always act indignant when you catch them in the lie.

Hope no one gets burned on this one. (Notice that the license plate has only a 2002 registration sticker on it!)

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Well, it's obvious that the auction is run by a Auto Reseller (Dealer, Broker, Agent, whatever)

When was the last time you believed anything that one of them told you without verifying it yourself?

Speaking of car salesmen, here's a really cool story written by a guy who was hired to go undercover working as a salesman at a couple of dealerships:

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html

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Thanks for the great link, Mike. Interesting (if long) read. Worth bookmarking for future reference, and I've done so.

Seems to indicate that the salesperson is but a small cog in a large machine that can be very predatory from top to bottom. "Caveat Emptor" is still the best advice for a customer shopping for a car.

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