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  1. No problem, jhm. I knew how old the post was, but had to ask!
  2. @240260280: Thanks for the idea, I'm going to try that. @Zup: If you were to do it again, would you go with the Plasti-Dip, or use something else? It's not "tacky" or anything when you are done? I've never used Plasti-Dip, so not familiar with how it feels. @26th-Z: if you send me your snail mail address, I'd be happy to drop a little chunk into the mail so you can see what it feels like.
  3. If you still have that radio bracket, could I get it?
  4. Hi All, I have a 1970 240Z I bought a couple of years ago, and have been (slowly) redoing the interior. I'm not going for concours here, but I do try to get back to as close to 1970 as I can, when there is an option. There are millions of threads on Jute (I think I might have read all of them. Often more than once, but I have a memory leak). I started out with jute from a british roadster site. I didn't order enough, and found some on Amazon a while back. The british stuff was like Kat's yellow/blond color, the amazon stuff looked more like gray/multicolor carpet jute to me. I like the look of the yellow stuff more, but good lord, I hate working with it. If I look at it wrong, it emits a cloud of hair/fiber/stuff. The gray stuff is the same thickness, cuts almost as easily, but doesn't disintegrate when you stare at it for more than 5 seconds. I have to order more of one or the other, to finish out. I'm pretty sure I'm going to sell this 240Z when I'm done (I dunno, maybe I'll like it more when it's complete)... Am I going to hurt myself / the next owner if I do the gray jute? The stuff under the carpet is fine, you can just replace it. But the stuff I'll put on the tunnel is for ever. (Although if I were the next owner, I would definitely rather strip off the gray jute rather than the yellow stuff, based on my experience taking out the jute that was on this car). Or, and I guess this is probably heresy: for the stuff that gets glued down and goes under the vinyl, maybe even use a modern sound deadening material? I think that would be easiest to remove in the future. Roadster Factory "Original Jute": http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials9.35/38.php?s_wt=2560&s_ht=1440 Jute from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/MACs-Auto-Parts-51-26251-Backing/dp/B072BZ7JL9/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=MACs+Auto+Parts+jute&qid=1562379158&s=gateway&sr=8-1
  5. I have a series I car, and am working at restoring the interior. The car went through a large-scale restoration in the 90s under a previous owner, and has a lot of not-quite-original-to-1970 stuff going on. I've got the dash out, and have a new dash pad from VintageDashes ready to go on, but before I put the dash back in, I want to ask what my options are for the hazard switch. The current switch is the push/pull model from later Zs. I've looked on eBay, and see one early toggle switch for $125 starting. This car is not going to get to concours condition, but my preference is to get it closer to 1970 whenever I have a chance. 1. Is the 1970 toggle switch electrically compatible with the later push/pull one I have now? In other words: if I splurge on a 1970 switch, would it be plug-n-play? 2. Any options for third-party switches, and if so... would that maybe just be worse, from a restoration point of view (compared to keeping 1973+ lighted switch)? Some things I've found online: eBay - $125 starting. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Datsun-240Z-Hazard-Switch-/293139746651?oid=382291049229. A NOS one went for $500 recently. vaguely similar classic switch from british automotive - $10ish plus shipping - https://www.bowerspartsonline.co.uk/auto-electrical-spares/switches/toggle-switches/genuine-lucas-spb200-31909-65sa-toggle-switch z source - requires exchange so that won't work - $133 - https://zcarsource.com/used-240z-hazard-light-switch-for-the-1970-72-datsun-240z Close up photos of an early switch - 8 connections!??? - means maybe there is no generic switch stand in possibility? - https://fiddlingwithzcars.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/early-hazard-switch/
  6. I'm installing a modern pioneer into a 1970 Z. This car had a blaupunkt tapedeck installed in the 80s. It powered up when I got the car, but apparently it needs an amp (and they took out the speakers too, but whatever). I've been reading up in the FSM, the forum, and google. It seems pretty straightforward, but I want to ask to make sure about 2 things. 1. What is going on in this picture? This is the radio harness removed. I checked voltage, and the red/blue is +12V at ACC, 0V when off. Blue is +12 always. Some PO wired these together. Then to a 1A fuse. Then to the radio. I don't have wiring diagram for the blaupunckt, so no idea what it had for options. But why would these be wired together? Any reason I can't separate them? The Pioneer wants a constant power line to the battery to retain memory, and another line so it knows when to turn on. 2. The car has a newer antenna installed, I'm sure it's automatic. The blaunpunkt had only a ground, the power, and a blue line labeled "antenna" coming out of it. The antenna-marked wire was connected to the 240Z's blue-white wire. The blue/white line I *think* I should hook up to what Pioneer calls the remote control, but which is apparently just what you would use to control an automatic antenna. I'm not good with wiring diagrams (in the FSM, etc.). Or is blue/white instead just the interior illumination, and so I should hook it up to the orange/white (pioneer) wire so the stereo turns on lighting at night? I'm having trouble tracing the wires from the antenna, they are bundled together with the pack of wires that runs along the right side of the car and comes out under the right-side of the dash.
  7. Wow. One of those repro 2000GTs had "car #9" written on it. Maybe he's making a secret clone army of Toyota retro super cars to take over the world and beat back the cross-over SUV hordes. Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile
  8. And, finally, to REALLY complete it, here is a 10-year thread with a full discussion of the jute, and, on page 5, a PDF you can download with a 1970-71 Jute pattern.
  9. And to complete the nevermind bit, here is info on the metal carpet clips: https://zcardepot.com/interior/carpet-sets/carpet-anti-slide-clip-set-240z-260z-280z.html ($40) The forum post has a clipping of the service bulletin. It looks to me like they were not there for 1970s Zs, but probably needed them, hence the change. I would guess some folks' dealers installed them for them after the fact.
  10. nevermind question #2 up there, I found the right thread, with lots of pictures and info:
  11. I'm in a very similar situation to Careless: trying to restore a 1970 Z to close-to-factory. Careless, what did you do for the template for the Jute? I am going to order a 54" roll from the TRF site. Two other questions: Does anyone have a picture of what the steel spring attachments look like, and how they attach to the floor behind the seats? A lot of "work" happened to the interior of my Z, I can't really trust anything I see in it. Did i understand right that the male snaps for the front are attached directly to the firewall insulation part? (mine wasn't original, and didn't have snaps, was all re-done by some upholstery shop). Any pictures of that? I have to secure a new firewall insulation kit anyway, and get put snaps on it. Seems like squishy material to have snaps pull on it, but maybe not a lot of tension happens.
  12. All I found was mouse droppings and bits of shag carpet, so I think you win! Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile
  13. What kind of abuse do you need to give a car to get a rusty STEERING wheel?? On the plus side the Datsun emblem glued to the air cleaner box might be metal and worth something to a 1970 restorer. But back to 4858: looks like fun! Is it red or regular orange? Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile
  14. Of course you could be right, there isn't a lot of information to go on. I think we need someone with actual knowledge of the situation. Linguistically, I don't know that there's anything conclusive. I did run it by a professional Japanese translators at work (I'm not a native speaker, and no longer translate professionally), and she basically said it was impossible to say. "古いマークで最近は使用されていないか、日本以外で付けられたか、公式なマークではないことが考えられますでしょうか。" So no luck there, so far. Whether the panels are "fire safe" or not doesn't matter: we know they were changed for 1973, to be compliant. Here are a couple more sources on that: "The "off-white" actually came in 73 - if you place the two side by side, you can see the difference. The reason the 73's are off-white is because Flame Retardant interior materials had to be used for cars sold in the US that model year. That new material was every so slightly - off white. Kind of in between white and light cream. The "white in the Z" wasn't a problem - they sold very well in 73. However at the begining of the model run we started getting PL510's - Orange with Green interiors... very ugly... That is when we found out that several colors were held up, due to the new Flame Retardant Materials regulations. Nissan actually suppled new Black interiors for several of the ugly PL510's that would not sell otherwise." http://www.blackdragonauto.com/zZxCatalog.htm 1973 Carburetors, manifolds and cylinder head changed for emissions requirements. Distributor changed to transistorized breakerless ignition system. Intermittent windshield wipers added as standard equipment. Tinted glass, 3 point adjustable seat belts, collapsible steering column and fire retardant interior introduced. Reclining seats added.
  15. Yeah. Maybe consider not fully re-attaching that. Honestly, that thing was a seriously bad idea (from a safety point of view). having said that, now I want to go get the rest of one of those assemblies and hook it up on my car just to see how it works. I have the lever assembly, but not the cable assembly.
  16. Oh, the panels definitely were changed "around" 1973 (not sure how far in advance) to be compliant. Doesn't mean that they, or anything else people were doing at the time were not still going to burn, it just means they complied with the regulation. Maybe added bromide to the mix, I dunno. If you search for FMVSS in this forum and others, you'll find some references. Zhome calls it out too. As far the term, I'm pretty confident that 難燃料、難燃性, etc., etc are all standard terms. And in our particular context, I'm not sure they are likely to be anything else. Other than maybe the first character of a factory name, but I didn't turn up anything likely there. As to why some panels have them, others don't, well, I would guess there was quite a bit of variety at the factories, but also, those panels would get swapped around at dealers quite a bit I imagine. Who knows what happened to our cars 40+ years ago? And, of course, it is possible Datsun was getting out ahead of the Jan 1, 1973 implementation date. I *think*, but am not sure, the regulations are born in a 1966 act of congress. So by 1970, they may have known pretty well what was coming. I think someone who knows a lot more than me about Datsun manufacturing history can probably give us a definitive answer.
  17. The faded blue: you might trying retrobriting it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retr0bright I don't know what these panels are made of, so I can't say whether that would work or not, but I suspect it would. But read about retrobriting before doing it, and maybe test on a small sliver first. If it worked, it would completely change the color of those panels, back to the bright blue you see on the back.
  18. Do you think these people who were retro installing the hand throttle were actually hooking it up? Or just putting it there for looks? Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile
  19. Thanks. My trim pieces are all black, so I don't have anything to match against for the paint. Aside from the dogleg and I think the "rear trim" piece, I think I can still get blue trim pieces online. Dogleg probably needs a professional upholstery shop I would guess. My rear trim piece isn't from a 1970 240Z anyway, so if I find one, I think that's one I'll have to paint.
  20. Ah, so the hairy stuff is the famous jute. I've looked around on the web, I can't find anyone selling something that looks like that. Same name, jute, but seems lighter and not really "natural fiber" like from what I can see. It's too bad the carpet had been glued to it, when I removed it, it removed about half the jute on the tunnel. Of course, the jute had been long gone other places already. Hmm. Would be nice to go with something that at least looked original. If the tarry stuff under the jute is the original Nissan sound deadener/anti-vibration layer, I think I'll just leave it as is. From some photos I found on the web (see from BAT 1970 240Z auction #1), it looks to me like the jute for the rear deck, and passenger/driver floor pans was not glue down at all. Just laying there, and carpet laying on it loose as well. Is that right? I don't know what I'm going to install, but if I could avoid glueing the whole thing down, that would be my choice. Just so the next person doesn't have to scrape it all off. Tunnel will need glue though I think. tar>pad>vinyl. Sorry to hear about the fire! thanks for the advice. I'll try the RTV thing. There's a little whole in the driver pan, near where your left foot would go. I'll take a pic of that and ask if I need to do something more. It's very small, but all the way through. Weird about the blue vinyl. Could the dealer have installed the shag carpet before even selling the car, as a markup? I went through all the records again last night, and I can "see" the main exterior restoration, and the main interior restoration. But nothing that jumps out at me as the shag carpet.
  21. I have a 1970 240z, and I think it came originally with blue vinyl. From your pictures, I *think* that car has black plastic trim. (maybe just dark and/or dirty though?). Can you confirm the trim piece colors for the rear deck etc.? Trying to figure out if I need to acquire blue trim pieces or not. I know they exist, but maybe only for later cars? Or maybe that owner replaced his at some point. The doglegs look blue in this car though. In my car, those are black too (currently anyway). If you part it out (and that look really unrestorable, now that I look at it ;-), I'm interested in a few things!
  22. Ok, I think I might have it now. The 1973 FMVSS 302 standards set standards related to flammability of interior materials (after a crash). (This is also the 5 mph bumper regulation, and other stuff). You can read this section of the standard online. It seems like the goal is to have interior materials, specifically including trim panels, burn at a certain rate or slower. I think the 難 in this case is short for something like 難燃材料 (fire-retardant material or maybe flame resistant material?) https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/難燃材料 I'm still just guessing at this point, but I think it makes sense. Maybe in the 1970, maybe 1971 years, they didn't use the same plastic, and after they started preparing for the 1973 year FMVSS, they changed the manufacturing materials, and started putting the stickers on so it was clear which was which. They probably were able to stop doing that once all the old stock was gone. With standards, in general, you know about them years before you have to implement them, so I don't know if they did that in 1972, or maybe earlier. It would be interesting to see when it started in Zs. One thing it means for me and my 12/70 240Z is that probably, none of my interior panels are original. Which I was starting to suspect for a different reason, but...
  23. The kensa sticker referenced there would be 検, short for 検査.
  24. I took off all my interior panels today, and I think all but 1 had a sticker with 難 ("difficult"). Was that the first character in the place name of some Nissan assembly plant? Maybe first character in the name of a sub-contractor that did the plastic? Did it mean this piece was subject to high failure rates? Anybody know? Kats?
  25. (I tried to start this from the mobile app, but auto-correct didn't help, and something went wrong with the photos, so starting over with a better thread title). I have a 12/70 240Z. Exterior is blue 803. Interior is black. (although, there is a question about what it originally was). The interior has had I think 2 refresh passes at it in the past, with POs. It looks like it maybe first got some brown shag carpet, then later, black carpet. The seats are series 2 seats (I think): they have the lever that allows seat tilt; they do not have the twist mechanism; they have wire, not webbing below. The original stereo is gone of course, there is a Blaupunck that powers up, but isn't connected to an amp or speakers, so no sound. There is an aftermarket radio antenna, but I haven't hooked it up yet to see if it is manually controlled or automatically controlled. There is a partial dashcap. The seat belts are newer, but not retractable, and the shoulder belts are missing. Cargo/luggage belts also missing. Rust-wise, it's surprisingly good, from what I can see. I think it has also not been slaughtered, bodywise. The damage mostly seems to be limited to all the screw holes that the shag carpet installer put in. Sometime in I think the late 80s or 90s, it had an everything-out rotisserie repaint (but not, I think, sand blast to bare metal). And at some point in the past x years, mice were in it. My goal: Restore interior to be comfortable, quieter, and more stock than currently. Not for concours, but as a fun weekend driver. I've never worked on a car before, so I'm going to ask lots of annoying questions, so apologies in advance. I do try to research online first of course. I also have a couple books, but not a field service manual yet. This weekend, I removed the panels, console, seats, ripped out all the carpet and got rid of most of the foam, that helps with the smell quite a lot. Not sure if the seats are salvageable. (the metal sure, but...) First questions: What did the original tunnel insulation look like? I see it in the line drawings, but what was it? On this car, I see a kind of tar-like layer over the metal, then some brown hairy stuff that reminds me of buffalo hide, then vinyl (almost all removed), then carpet. What is that brown hairy stuff, and is it original? The panels in this car are black. The current vinyl (only in place in the rear deck) is black. But in removing the old carpet, I found blue vinyl underneath the brown shag in numerous places. mostly just little circles of it, like they cut around it when they removed the shag to put in the black carpet. You can see it especially in the hand brake mechanism, which appears to sit on a bit patch of it. I really can't tell... does that mean this car would have been blue/blue when purchased? If so, in 1970, would the interior panels also have been blue? Or did the blue panels only show up later? Something like 20 screws were used to hold the shag carpet down. I have removed them all, but that leaves little holes everywhere. This car is very unlikely to ever see a wet road as long as I own it... But do I need to do something about those holes? Fill them? Is there any way to tell if vinyl is original or replacement? Trying to figure out if the Vinyl in back came with the car or not.
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