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  1. I'm installing a modern pioneer into a 1970 Z. This car had a blaupunkt tapedeck installed in the 80s. It powered up when I got the car, but apparently it needs an amp (and they took out the speakers too, but whatever). I've been reading up in the FSM, the forum, and google. It seems pretty straightforward, but I want to ask to make sure about 2 things. 1. What is going on in this picture? This is the radio harness removed. I checked voltage, and the red/blue is +12V at ACC, 0V when off. Blue is +12 always. Some PO wired these together. Then to a 1A fuse. Then to the radio. I don't have wiring diagram for the blaupunckt, so no idea what it had for options. But why would these be wired together? Any reason I can't separate them? The Pioneer wants a constant power line to the battery to retain memory, and another line so it knows when to turn on. 2. The car has a newer antenna installed, I'm sure it's automatic. The blaunpunkt had only a ground, the power, and a blue line labeled "antenna" coming out of it. The antenna-marked wire was connected to the 240Z's blue-white wire. The blue/white line I *think* I should hook up to what Pioneer calls the remote control, but which is apparently just what you would use to control an automatic antenna. I'm not good with wiring diagrams (in the FSM, etc.). Or is blue/white instead just the interior illumination, and so I should hook it up to the orange/white (pioneer) wire so the stereo turns on lighting at night? I'm having trouble tracing the wires from the antenna, they are bundled together with the pack of wires that runs along the right side of the car and comes out under the right-side of the dash.
  2. Wow. One of those repro 2000GTs had "car #9" written on it. Maybe he's making a secret clone army of Toyota retro super cars to take over the world and beat back the cross-over SUV hordes. Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile
  3. And, finally, to REALLY complete it, here is a 10-year thread with a full discussion of the jute, and, on page 5, a PDF you can download with a 1970-71 Jute pattern.
  4. And to complete the nevermind bit, here is info on the metal carpet clips: https://zcardepot.com/interior/carpet-sets/carpet-anti-slide-clip-set-240z-260z-280z.html ($40) The forum post has a clipping of the service bulletin. It looks to me like they were not there for 1970s Zs, but probably needed them, hence the change. I would guess some folks' dealers installed them for them after the fact.
  5. nevermind question #2 up there, I found the right thread, with lots of pictures and info:
  6. I'm in a very similar situation to Careless: trying to restore a 1970 Z to close-to-factory. Careless, what did you do for the template for the Jute? I am going to order a 54" roll from the TRF site. Two other questions: Does anyone have a picture of what the steel spring attachments look like, and how they attach to the floor behind the seats? A lot of "work" happened to the interior of my Z, I can't really trust anything I see in it. Did i understand right that the male snaps for the front are attached directly to the firewall insulation part? (mine wasn't original, and didn't have snaps, was all re-done by some upholstery shop). Any pictures of that? I have to secure a new firewall insulation kit anyway, and get put snaps on it. Seems like squishy material to have snaps pull on it, but maybe not a lot of tension happens.
  7. All I found was mouse droppings and bits of shag carpet, so I think you win! Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile
  8. What kind of abuse do you need to give a car to get a rusty STEERING wheel?? On the plus side the Datsun emblem glued to the air cleaner box might be metal and worth something to a 1970 restorer. But back to 4858: looks like fun! Is it red or regular orange? Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile
  9. Of course you could be right, there isn't a lot of information to go on. I think we need someone with actual knowledge of the situation. Linguistically, I don't know that there's anything conclusive. I did run it by a professional Japanese translators at work (I'm not a native speaker, and no longer translate professionally), and she basically said it was impossible to say. "古いマークで最近は使用されていないか、日本以外で付けられたか、公式なマークではないことが考えられますでしょうか。" So no luck there, so far. Whether the panels are "fire safe" or not doesn't matter: we know they were changed for 1973, to be compliant. Here are a couple more sources on that: "The "off-white" actually came in 73 - if you place the two side by side, you can see the difference. The reason the 73's are off-white is because Flame Retardant interior materials had to be used for cars sold in the US that model year. That new material was every so slightly - off white. Kind of in between white and light cream. The "white in the Z" wasn't a problem - they sold very well in 73. However at the begining of the model run we started getting PL510's - Orange with Green interiors... very ugly... That is when we found out that several colors were held up, due to the new Flame Retardant Materials regulations. Nissan actually suppled new Black interiors for several of the ugly PL510's that would not sell otherwise." http://www.blackdragonauto.com/zZxCatalog.htm 1973 Carburetors, manifolds and cylinder head changed for emissions requirements. Distributor changed to transistorized breakerless ignition system. Intermittent windshield wipers added as standard equipment. Tinted glass, 3 point adjustable seat belts, collapsible steering column and fire retardant interior introduced. Reclining seats added.
  10. Yeah. Maybe consider not fully re-attaching that. Honestly, that thing was a seriously bad idea (from a safety point of view). having said that, now I want to go get the rest of one of those assemblies and hook it up on my car just to see how it works. I have the lever assembly, but not the cable assembly.
  11. Oh, the panels definitely were changed "around" 1973 (not sure how far in advance) to be compliant. Doesn't mean that they, or anything else people were doing at the time were not still going to burn, it just means they complied with the regulation. Maybe added bromide to the mix, I dunno. If you search for FMVSS in this forum and others, you'll find some references. Zhome calls it out too. As far the term, I'm pretty confident that 難燃料、難燃性, etc., etc are all standard terms. And in our particular context, I'm not sure they are likely to be anything else. Other than maybe the first character of a factory name, but I didn't turn up anything likely there. As to why some panels have them, others don't, well, I would guess there was quite a bit of variety at the factories, but also, those panels would get swapped around at dealers quite a bit I imagine. Who knows what happened to our cars 40+ years ago? And, of course, it is possible Datsun was getting out ahead of the Jan 1, 1973 implementation date. I *think*, but am not sure, the regulations are born in a 1966 act of congress. So by 1970, they may have known pretty well what was coming. I think someone who knows a lot more than me about Datsun manufacturing history can probably give us a definitive answer.
  12. The faded blue: you might trying retrobriting it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retr0bright I don't know what these panels are made of, so I can't say whether that would work or not, but I suspect it would. But read about retrobriting before doing it, and maybe test on a small sliver first. If it worked, it would completely change the color of those panels, back to the bright blue you see on the back.
  13. Do you think these people who were retro installing the hand throttle were actually hooking it up? Or just putting it there for looks? Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile
  14. Thanks. My trim pieces are all black, so I don't have anything to match against for the paint. Aside from the dogleg and I think the "rear trim" piece, I think I can still get blue trim pieces online. Dogleg probably needs a professional upholstery shop I would guess. My rear trim piece isn't from a 1970 240Z anyway, so if I find one, I think that's one I'll have to paint.
  15. Ah, so the hairy stuff is the famous jute. I've looked around on the web, I can't find anyone selling something that looks like that. Same name, jute, but seems lighter and not really "natural fiber" like from what I can see. It's too bad the carpet had been glued to it, when I removed it, it removed about half the jute on the tunnel. Of course, the jute had been long gone other places already. Hmm. Would be nice to go with something that at least looked original. If the tarry stuff under the jute is the original Nissan sound deadener/anti-vibration layer, I think I'll just leave it as is. From some photos I found on the web (see from BAT 1970 240Z auction #1), it looks to me like the jute for the rear deck, and passenger/driver floor pans was not glue down at all. Just laying there, and carpet laying on it loose as well. Is that right? I don't know what I'm going to install, but if I could avoid glueing the whole thing down, that would be my choice. Just so the next person doesn't have to scrape it all off. Tunnel will need glue though I think. tar>pad>vinyl. Sorry to hear about the fire! thanks for the advice. I'll try the RTV thing. There's a little whole in the driver pan, near where your left foot would go. I'll take a pic of that and ask if I need to do something more. It's very small, but all the way through. Weird about the blue vinyl. Could the dealer have installed the shag carpet before even selling the car, as a markup? I went through all the records again last night, and I can "see" the main exterior restoration, and the main interior restoration. But nothing that jumps out at me as the shag carpet.
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