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Guys,

My 72 Z does not have retractable shoulder seat belt straps, but instead has a "J" hook on the interior dog leg panel right below quarter glass. How does the shoulder strap attach to the "J" hook? Should there be an attachment on the shoulder strap that mates with the "J" hook? Or does the strap itself rest in the "J" hook? Thanks, David

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The open loop of the chrome metal male seat belt fastener on the shoulder harness rests in the "J hook". I think you will find everything you need if you do a search for "J Hooks".

Dan

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If they are the original seat belts -

This also means that your 72 was built before Nov/Dec. of 71. Just curious - what is your VIN and Build Date. You most likely also don't have a RED Seat Belt Warning Light on your Center Console - yes/no. As well as horizontal defroster lines in the rear glass.

FWIW,

Carl B.

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Dan, thank you - that makes sense - I just haven't been around Z's for so long (over 20 years since my last car and before this "refreshing project" I am now doing) this refreshing project is upping my knowledge base on the 240Z :). Thank you.

Carl - 4/72 - with not seat belt warning light and yes horizontal defroster lines. I think Dan's info answers my question. Thank you for the input.

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Dan, thank you - that makes sense - I just haven't been around Z's for so long (over 20 years since my last car and before this "refreshing project" I am now doing) this refreshing project is upping my knowledge base on the 240Z :). Thank you.

Carl - 4/72 - with not seat belt warning light and yes horizontal defroster lines. I think Dan's info answers my question. Thank you for the input.

Hey Carl, looks like some old technology might have slipped through. ;)

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Yes, something doesn't line up. By 4/72 the seat belt warning system was required by the Fed's and every car after 01/72 that I've found - came with self retracting seat belts. But David mentioned "retractable shoulder seat belt straps". So I think his question may have been more about the shoulder belt part and how or if that was supposed to hang on the "J" hook by itself.

With these old Z's you never know what some previous owner has done. Many people didn't like the self retracting seat belts - as they couldn't be used as easily to lock yourself in the seat. A lot of guys that auto-crossed or did track days replaced them with the older style. Most people didn't appreciate the seat belt warning buzzer and light either - so many of them were simply disconnected. Likewise the door open warning buzzers... LOL

Always interesting..

Carl B.

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Yes, something doesn't line up. By 4/72 the seat belt warning system was required by the Fed's and every car after 01/72 that I've found - came with self retracting seat belts. But David mentioned "retractable shoulder seat belt straps". So I think his question may have been more about the shoulder belt part and how or if that was supposed to hang on the "J" hook by itself.

With these old Z's you never know what some previous owner has done. Many people didn't like the self retracting seat belts - as they couldn't be used as easily to lock yourself in the seat. A lot of guys that auto-crossed or did track days replaced them with the older style. Most people didn't appreciate the seat belt warning buzzer and light either - so many of them were simply disconnected. Likewise the door open warning buzzers... LOL

Always interesting..

Carl B.

We need a key in the ignition buzzer.

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The open loop of the chrome metal male seat belt fastener on the shoulder harness rests in the "J hook". I think you will find everything you need if you do a search for "J Hooks".

Dan

Actually, no.

The male half of the seat belt stays attached to the shoulder harness via the double keyhole on the metal opposite where it latches to the female half of the seat belt. The Adjuster on the Shoulder Harness has a big "D" loop that goes into the J hook on the dog leg. Same as with the earlier version on the seat.

2¢

E

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E,

Thanks for clarifying my very poor discription of my intended meaning. Same thing I have on my series 1, except it hooks on a smaller J- hook on the side of my seat.

I can always count on you to back me up!

Dan

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Sorry if I was too blunt.

I have had passengers in my car get befuddled trying to separate the shoulder belt from the lap belt so they can use that odd "keyhole" to hang the belt, then using the square part and complaining that it isn't long enough.... yada yada yada... and then almost breaking the hook trying to insert the metal buckle.

I figured you knew how to do it, after winning a Gold Medallion. Congratulations by the way.

E

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hello,

hoping somebody can help me here. I've got an early 70 (vin 5335) and i'm trying to get the belts cleaned up - i have the original shoulder belts - the lap belts are replacement. it seems the anchor bolts are 7/16-20" (?) i was hoping somebody could tell me how these things go together? i'm assuming the shoulder belt anchor should be able to rotate once assembled. the drivers side bolt goes in several turns then stops, the passenger side doesn't stop. i would also assume you don't want to tighten down on the plastic interior panel, but the bolt still needs to tighten against something. one side had a plastic bushing as well. btw, does anybody know what the thread is on the coat hangers???

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post-27201-14150821729671_thumb.jpgOk, found some original style belts on ebay... got them the other day. chrome and belts are OK, but part of the female end seems to have been painted and its chipped ( see image ) - should it be painted, if so, does anybody know the color? its a greenish grey....

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The buckle you show should be painted a satin black. The greenish looking insert has a slight texture to the finish, and is also painted satin black. The texture can be duplicated by masking off that area and giving

it a light spray of something like Dupli-Color texture coating and then painting everything satin black. Hope this helps.

Dan

Taking a closer look, it appears that this buckle has retained some of that texture so maybe just painting will take care of it.

Edited by AZ-240z

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Dan,

the buckle is definitely chrome plated, so I'm pretty sure that's stock, and I'll leave that. the greenish grey piece is zinc and has been painted ( this one is better than the other side ), which is chipped off a bit, not really textured. Thanks for the feedback!

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Dan,

the buckle is definitely chrome plated, so I'm pretty sure that's stock, and I'll leave that. the greenish grey piece is zinc and has been painted ( this one is better than the other side ), which is chipped off a bit, not really textured. Thanks for the feedback!

Are you sure those are 240Z seatbelts? I seem to recall that either roadsters or 510's had similar buckles, but they were chrome, instead of black (as Dan and Chris described). Can you post a photo of the seatbelt tags? They should say which vehicle they were made for.

Edit: Here is an old thread that seems to show the same type of belt you bought: http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread33135.html

The tags says "rear" on it, so I'm not sure what Datsun it is from, but it is not a 240Z.

-Mike

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Mike, that's what i've got - tag says "datsun sports", so they're probably from the roadster. they are the correct style, but chrome. the OEM shoulder belts in the car also have chrome ends, so i'll stick with the chrome till i see a set of black ones become available.... ( ha ha )

thanks,

Ken

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Sorry if I was too blunt.

I have had passengers in my car get befuddled trying to separate the shoulder belt from the lap belt so they can use that odd "keyhole" to hang the belt, then using the square part and complaining that it isn't long enough.... yada yada yada... and then almost breaking the hook trying to insert the metal buckle.

I figured you knew how to do it, after winning a Gold Medallion. Congratulations by the way.

E

Admittedly the original style belts were kind of a cluster-**** because of the nutty regulations they had at the time. So every strap was actually adjustable (i.e., you have 3 adjustors on each side of the car. Technically you could adjust your belt so the buckle was in the middle of your abdomen, which is a dangerous location. In modern belts the male tab slides along the belt so that doesn't happen, and the female part doesn't adjust at all.

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Hi Ken,

I think you are asking me for one large picture of the belt - I suggest that I'd have to remove the seat and then the belts in order to do that.

So, I've left the belts in place and taken a series of close-ups that I hope will provide you with what you're looking for.

Cheers,

George

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Obviously these seat belts changed every year based on changing NHTSA requirements, that I believe were in flux during that time. The pictured belt above and by 26th is nothing at all like my 8/71 belt which has the Z logo printed on the center of the push-button female buckle. The j-hook was also located on the vehicle below the forward part of the quarter window. BTW, the bolts are 7/16" x 20.

Here are some photos:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/open-zcar-discussion/48091-looking-re-tractable-seat-belt-parts-restoration.html#post417772

Edited by bpilati
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I can second Bryan

pics are of hls-30 41000-8/71 and the belts are very original! Ignore the seats-they are not. Belt J hook fastens to quarter window lower corner

Obviously these seat belts changed every year based on changing NHTSA requirements, that I believe were in flux during that time. The pictured belt above and by 26th is nothing at all like my 8/71 belt which has the Z logo printed on the center of the push-button female buckle. The j-hook was also located on the vehicle below the forward part of the quarter window. BTW, the bolts are 7/16" x 20.

Here are some photos:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/open-zcar-discussion/48091-looking-re-tractable-seat-belt-parts-restoration.html#post417772

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