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Z cars at the Concours

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    Mike of ZCSD took a second with his 1982 280Z in the Special Interest category, which was great.
    That would definitely be of "special interest." Can you give some details?

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    The “Special Interest” category is for cars that don’t fit in any of the shows entry classes. So, it contains a pretty broad array of cars. I am not sure how many were in the class (there were at least 3). I think the first place in that category was some old 1930’s car, I want to say a Mercedes of some sort. Anyway, that is about all I know. Mike is very meticulous about his car, so nice to see him do well at the show. Again, this show seems to be very generous to the Japanese cars, which is very nice to see.

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    Not the Special interest class, the 1982 280Z.

    Not super familiar with the car. I know it is in real nice shape and that he is not the original owner. I think he said he picked it up from someone on the east coast. It has pretty low miles on it.

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    Thanks, Motorman7. I am the owner of the 67 Toyota Sports 800 you mentioned. It was great to see the Z's there.

    The problem is that La Jolla Concours needs a Japanese sports car class so we have an appropriate place to put these deserving cars. This year when I wanted to put the Toyota in there, I noticed there was no place to put it like you mentioned. I called the head judge and he just told me to put it in the microcar class since my engine is small. However the size of my car is larger than the normal "micro". Yesterday I got a call from an organizer for the La Jolla event and was informed that next year there will be a Japanese class and I am going to help to get some cars in there. Your Z should be welcomed next year into the new class. I already have a LHD Toyota 2000GT lined up and a Datsun or 2.

    It was especially fun driving my little Sports 800 up on the award stage in between 2 giant/gorgeous Packards and Mercedes Benz cars for the Directors Choice Award.

    I spoke with you last year at the same event and admired you Z. I worked at one of the first Datsun dealers in the US, Rothrock Datsun 1968/9 in PA. I was the new car prep manager at the dealer for 2 years, so I delivered tons of Datsuns, and even delivered the first Datsun Z exactly like yours to its owner at his house. At that time I owned a 1967.5 Datsun 1600 roadster.

    I have the same problem with finding the right show and class. They stuck my Sunbeam Tiger V8 in a "open class over 4 liters" so I had to compete with a giant Muntz Jet that took first place. Last year at the La Jolla event I took my 67 Austin Mini Cooper S, but they put me in a British sedan place where I would have competed with Jaguars, Aston Martins etc. So I just declined judging.

    So I hope we see some Japanese cars there next year. I assume you are going to the JCCS event this year?

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    Hi Scott,

    It was great to see your car at the show and I am glad it was so well received. As I mentioned before, the La Jolla show has been very accommodating to the Japanese cars. I am glad they will be adding a Japanese class. I should have my 1600 roadster finished by then. It would be nice to enter it in the show.

    I am planning on bringing my Z to the JCCS show this year. I brought it to the JCCS 3 years ago, so it is probably fine to bring it again. That is the only other show I am planning on attending this year.

    Congrats again on a great show. I hope to meet you again at the JCCS.

    Best regards,

    Rich

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    Yesterday I got a call from an organizer for the La Jolla event and was informed that next year there will be a Japanese class and I am going to help to get some cars in there.

    Hi Jamul:

    The response from La Jolla - is a great example of why we should enter our Z's and other Japanese cars of Special Interest in higher end Events like this. Yes, you might be there alone the first couple of years, but as the number of Japanese entries grows - the Organizers of these events take notice and reach out to the community by opening new classes.

    Past that we have to work with the orginazers - to properly sub-divide the Japanese Class as the number of different models show up. Modern Sedans, Sports Cars, Competition Cars, Micro's vs. Pre WW-II ect.

    Then way down the road - - shouldn't a Datsun 240Z be in the same class as Porsche 911's, Corvettes, E-Types, and all other Classic/Collectiable Sports Cars of the 70's. So all cars are classed by Type rather than country of origin? Ah.. nothing is ever perfect.. The idea is to support, participate and enjoy the Event.

    FWIW,

    Carl B.

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    Hi Carl,

    I think just the addition of a Japanese class would be huge. Also, I think we would only see the subdividing of the Japanese classes at the larger foreign shows. Dana Point does it well as they have a class for ‘Sports Cars 3 litre and under, which allows the Japanese cars. Palos Verdes is very exclusive and will not have Japanese cars this year.

    What surprises me is the general acceptance of the Japanese motorcycles at the concours events. Seems the motorcycles get a lot more respect than the cars. Anyway, just glad to see the Z’s there and doing well at the events.

    Best regards,

    Rich

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    Hi Carl,

    I think just the addition of a Japanese class would be huge.

    Oh No... here come the ricers!

    I'm just kidding. I"m sure they wouldn't let just any car into a contours show. I wouldn't mind a nicely-restored classic marque from Japan- even a Toyota.

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    Anyone going to the Coronado Main St car show Sunday the 28th? I am taking my Toyota there. I would love to park with a Datsun there. Great show with lots of different types of cars. Anyone is invited, but it is $35 (with a t shirt). Look me up if you show up. Scott

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    Anyone going to the Coronado Main St car show Sunday the 28th? I am taking my Toyota there. I would love to park with a Datsun there. Great show with lots of different types of cars. Anyone is invited, but it is $35 (with a t shirt). Look me up if you show up. Scott

    Hi Scott,

    Sounds like a great show there in Coronado, but I am guessing that most of the Z guys will be up at the Motorsport show in Orange. I may go next year to Coronado. Doing body work on the roadster this weekend.

    Best regards,

    Rich

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    Hi Scott,

    Sounds like a great show there in Coronado, but I am guessing that most of the Z guys will be up at the Motorsport show in Orange. I may go next year to Coronado. Doing body work on the roadster this weekend.

    Best regards,

    Rich

    I was going to take my 67 Roadster but did not have time to fix the starter so I will be going to Coronado as just an observer. I too am blowing off Sunday at Motorsport, I will be going on Saturday for the garage sale.

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    So I took a break from my 1600 Roadster restoration and went to the Benedict Castle Concours last weekend. The show was about 60 miles up the freeway, so it worked out well to take the Z out for a drive and show. My plan is to just do two shows a year. It’s always nice to take the old Z out for a drive, and socialize at the car show.

    This was the inaugural event. Special tribute was paid to Chuck Barris, creator of the Munster mobile, Bat mobile and other ‘Hollywood’ cars. The show benefited the teen challenge charities and was chaired by Barry Maguire of Maguire’s car wax.

    They had a Japanese class with a number of award winning vehicles in the line-up. Koji and Terry Yamaguchi of JCCS fame headed up the Japanese class and invited a number of their past winners to enter the show. On hand were a couple Mazda’s, 5 Datsuns, 2 Toyotas, a Honda and a Mitsubishi. And yes one of the Toyotas was a 2000GT, I got to line up next to him.

    Anyway, here are some pics from the show.

    For those interested in awards, the 2000GT took third, the Toyota 800 took second and the Z took first. Not bad.

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    Took my '70 to the San Marino Motor Classic (Formerly the LA Concours).  Lots of nice cars here.  Yes that is 5 Ford GT40's, 3 Gull Wings, and a host of Ferrari's.  Jay Leno was also there in some big Blue car with a nice chrome grill.  Great event, eye candy is attached.

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    That's a lot of money rolling around there! Like close to $20 million in cars in those six pictures...

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    I attended a very nice show this weekend with a concours-like setting, lots of very fine cars.  The major divisions were English, German, Italian, Domestic, and International  - for any vehicle not in the other groups.  I managed to snag a 1st in this lightly populated division.  For anyone on Facebook, I've created an album with some show photos. 

    https://www.facebook.com/jim.arnett.240z/media_set?set=a.959359637516728.1073741831.100003281014642&type=3

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    Hi Jim,

        Congrats on the first place finish.  I took third out of the nine Japanese cars in our class.   I was happy with that.   Did I mention that the guy who took first in the Japanese Class has his own car museum?   I must be in the wrong line of work.  

    http://malamutautomuseum.com/

     

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    1 hour ago, motorman7 said:

    Hi Jim,

        Congrats on the first place finish.  I took third out of the nine Japanese cars in our class.   I was happy with that.   Did I mention that the guy who took first in the Japanese Class has his own car museum?   I must be in the wrong line of work.  

    http://malamutautomuseum.com/

     

    Thanks Rich,

    Congrats back to you on your 3rd, nice finish in what was probably a tough bunch. 

    That is a VERY impressive museum.  Clearly some extremely deep pockets at work there, little wonder he claimed a 1st. 

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    Just a quick pic of three Z’s at the 2017 San Marino motor classic (formerly the LA concours).  Mine is in the middle.  This really is a great venue with a lot of very high end cars.   Lots of space to walk around, trees for shade and the best goody bag of any car show that I have ever been to. Last year I even saw Jay Leno here, so it is definitely  a very nice event.

     

    Unfortunately, the Z’s drew blanks and did not place at all in the Japanese Classics category.  Yes, even Jay’s Gold Medallion Z did not place which seldom occurs.  However, as has been mentioned before, it all depends on what the judges are looking for.  Sometimes they are looking for workmanship, sometime its authenticity, or un-restored, or a ‘great story’ car.  You just never know, and it is different for each show.  In talking to the judges afterward, the judges gave high marks for ‘how rare’ (translated expensive) the cars were.  Yes, even though the craftsmanship on some of the Z’s was exceptional, when it comes to rarity a $600K Toyota GT, complete with oil leaks, detached and dilapidated weather stripping, deep scratches and non-stock radiator  (among other issues) trumps the Z’s hands down.  The 2000GT, with car cover on in the pic, took second.  The Mazda Cosmo, another six figure (nearly $200K?) took third.   First place was a 1961 Mazda R360 coupe, which also took first last year at this show. 

     

                    The conversation I found most interesting was with Mike Malamut .  Mike owns the R360 that took first and also has his own museum of cars with over 150 cars including a 2000GT.  He also just purchased that blue 1970 240Z on BAT and Mike Sage’s Beautiful silver HLS30-00222.   Seems he is adding to his vintage 240Z collection.  The comment he made is that some of the nicer VIN’s below S/N 500 are selling for over $100K to private sellers.  That is pretty fascinating.  Putting 2 and 2 together, make me wonder what he paid for #222. 

     

       Anyway, just thought this was all pretty interesting

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    27 minutes ago, motorman7 said:

    The comment he made is that some of the nicer VIN’s below S/N 500 are selling for over $100K to private sellers.  That is pretty fascinating.

    Great picture!  WOW!  $100K for a non-432 Z.  We all know values for original series-1 cars are rising pretty quickly but I was not aware they had hit that mark.  Being a 3-digit VIN car is a plus but $100K is air cooled turbo Porsche money and knocking on the door of other Italian sports cars. 

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    I don't remember when or where exactly I said it but I predicted 100k cars before too long. Less than a year I believe, sooner than even I expected

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    That's impressive getting the award seeing that there's a 2000GT parked next to you. You faced some stiff competition there. 

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