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Loop pile carpet, any recent purchases? (2008)

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I'm getting ready to replace the carpet in my red 240Z. I want to stay with the original style loop pile carpet, rather than the more modern cut pile. So far, I've found at least three suppliers for the loop pile, MSA, Too Intense and Datsun Spirit. Has anyone bought any loop carpet from any of these vendors recently? If so, what was the quality of the carpet kit? Did it come with replacement jute?

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Well, I just ordered a 5-piece loop pile carpet set from Too Intense Restoration on Wednesday so I expect to get it sometime in the middle of next week. I can post a few pics if you want when I get it. If you'e a zcar member then he offers you 10% off.

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Pics? Detail of edge stitching? Presence of slots for luggage straps? Padding quality?

Thanks,

Steve

It is edge stitched and padded with a thick jute padding. Its shape is perfect for the areas it covers. There were no luggage strap slots. The quality of what I got was really good.

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I checked out Les' kit at Classic Datsun while I was there on Monday...he sells the modern cut pile, which I must say was a really nice kit. I too perfer the more original loop style. I asked about it but he said he used the cut pile in the cars he did for Nissan several years ago so he only sells that. The thing I noticed on his kit was there was no slots for on the or snaps on them. I had one of those cheaper loop kits in the car before without the slots and snaps the floor mat moved all the time...it sucked. I found a set of almost worn out original type with the snaps and slots....much better now.

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Yeah, I know that Les' cut pile is nice, I would prefer the loop. Keep the comments coming...

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Just got my "Loop Pile" this week from MSA very good looking. It is edge stiched but no slots for the straps, which can be cut where needed. It came with padding but not the original rubber backing but a scrap thread/material type stuff about 1/2 inch thick glued to it. I would like to remove that and use my original jute but may be a mess removing it. It has a heavy rubber heel pad for the driver and came with a set of snaps to install where needed up front. Overall very pleased with it but won't have it installed for another month or so.

If I can get the camera to work I will post a few photos.

Bonzi Lon

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The first photo shows the difference in the backing, left is original with rubber backing, right is new, both have edge stiching but a little different. I think the jute would hold up better than the thread/cloth type backing on the new.

Second photo is the passenger side that DOES NOT have slits cut for the metal hold downs near the seat edge, original DOES have the slits and are edge wrapped. I will have to cut slits and edge them myself. The snaps that came with the kit will have to be installed where needed. I'll put snaps in first then cut the slits for the hold downs. Metal clips shown for reference.

The third photo shows the new hatch area carpet and there are quite a few differences from original. The original just has slits cut (no edging) for the luggage straps near the tool boxes but near the tail lights there are slits that HAVE BEEN edge wrapped for the straps. Also the original has semi-circle cut outs that fit neatly around the fuel evaporator hoses, the new one DOES NOT. When it comes to fitment time we will see if this needs to be trimmed or it might fit without cutting and edge wrapping, I doubt as it would be all bunched up under the interior rear panel.

Hope this helps clear things up.

Bonzi Lon

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Bonzi---

Very helpful as I too am going to need carpet.

Thanks for the pictures and description----especially the mention of the metal carpet clips.

I have inquired about these clips with Arne and Charlie Osborne, but neither was familiar with them.

I have 2 but need 2 (or more) more. LOL

If anyone reading this has a line on them I'd appreciate it if ya'd give me a shout.

Again Bonzi---thanks!

This is the kind of feedback that really helps in making decisions about where to buy and what to expect!

Jim D.

"Zup" :bunny:

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Yes, let's talk about the metal clips. Now that I see them in Bonzi's picture, it looks like they have one curved leg that would press up against the tab on the floor. A neat idea. Now I want some too, so if anyone has a source for these, or has a set of 4 they'd like to sell, I'm interested.

Close up pictures of these clips would be nice, as well.

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Found the clips on the parts CD. The part number is 74995-E4100, the description is "CLIP - SPRING FRONT FLOOR TRIM".

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Here are 2 photos of the clips in question. My camera seems to be myopic today but you can see what they look like. They fit under the tab welded to the floor. They are 2 5/8" long by 1 7/8" wide and the lift is about 1/4" and were clad plate but a little rusty now. If they were bunnies I'd have them make some sets for you guys. LOL

Bonzi Lon

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Folks, the "jute" padding that comes with the MSA kit is utter crap. I replaced all of that padding with some nice 6 lb/sf material from Home Depot. I used the same 6 lb/sf material for the tranny tunnel vinyl after I ripped out all of the decrepit, smelly horsehair jute.

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Bo,

I heard that about the carpet padding, thanks for conifrming. I bought a set of carpet from CDM, forgetting it was cut pile. The padding looked similar to MSA's but was well-bonded to the carpet and was probably of better quality based on your report...

All the carpets look the same in photos, but with variable pricing...Is there a single vendor? That's what I want to know.

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The MSA kit DID NOT come with a true "jute" backing but a thread/material type stuff (as in dryer lint) as noted in post 11 and as Bo mentioned. The "ORIGINAL JUTE" that came with the car is of much better quality and heavier and appears more water resistant than the "stuff" that is on the new kit. Like I said I will try to remove the thread/material stuff and use my "Original Jute" as it is in excelent condition including the tranny tunnel.

When I first saw this type of backing I had a feeling it would not hold up as it just pulls away in pieces (like dryer lint) except where glued.

Funk & Wagnall's--jute, 1. A tall annual Asian herb of the linden family. 2. The soft, lusterous fiber obtained from the inner bark of this plant, (Corchorus capsularis or C. olitorius).

Therefore, the backing that is on the new kit CAN NOT be called "jute", but is really floor sweeps from a cloth factory.

Bonzi Lon

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Dryer lint and floor sweeps from a cloth factory are apt descriptions of the "jute" that is attached to the MSA carpet kits. :)

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Don't knock MSA for that...It's pretty standard stuff for carpet padding. Not defending poor quality materials, just saying it's not limited to just one vendor.

This is as close as I could find to the definitive jute discussion:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9168&highlight=jute

No one commented on a good source, I wonder if there are any updates?

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I replaced mine with the MSA. My oringinal jute just flaked away after all the years. The MSA's might be different but if it lasts half the amount time my oringinal did that's fine with me. I'll be long gone by then.

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Steven, I am not knocking MSA for the padding as they do not manufacture the kit. MSA is just a reseller. However, the padding itself is deserving of our scorn.

I'll also add, like others have said, that the MSA rear deck carpet piece did not come with the luggage strap slits. When I mentioned this to Sal one day (MSA is 1 mile from my office), he said that they were aware of the problem and looking for a new vendor. I doubt this went very far since his departure.

I cut slits in my carpet for the luggage straps as is shown below. Disregard the wrinkle in the carpet between the shock towers. When I put the spare tire back into the car, the tire cover was slightly warped and thus sticking up causing that wrinkle. I have since removed the tire and the carpet lies flat now.

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I've been doing a little reading of jute material, and some vendors offer what's called a "MASS BACK" option, a black, rubberized backing that is thicker and a little more sound proofing than the original jute material. Does anyone have any experience with this? Just a though/suggestion of one of the options that could be used. Here is a link to one of the vendors that offer it. I don't know if its offered with our carpeting kit, have not had a chance to call them to find out.

http://www.1aauto.com/help_center/faq/carpet.html#q10

That is the FAQ section of the vendor, and they also offer a carpeting kit for our Zs.

Justin

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Actually, my existing jute is in quite nice shape, and could easily be re-used. So the type and quality of the padding is a secondary concern. I'm more concerned with the fit, quality of the carpet itself and the bound edges, and whether the strap slots are pre-cut and bound (or not bound).

So far, the MSA kit looks acceptable. Yes, the padding is sub-optimal, and fit at the back of the cargo area is not as OE, but probably will work.

The kit that Dave got from 1A-Auto sounds OK as well, probably similar to the MSA kit. Definitely less money than any of the others, although price isn't really an issue since all are within $50 or so of each other. I'd love to see some pictures of this one.

I'm very interested to see what the kit from Too Intense looks like. The (admittedly very small) picture on their site appears to show a more involved shape to the cargo area carpet.

The Datsun Spirit kit seems to be an unknown, so far. They do have a nice, large picture, but the cut doesn't seem to be as detailed as the Too Intense pictures.

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