Bambikiller240

I've seen this car in person. (at the MSA show in 2001) It is VERY nice. The owner, Arvin is also a nice guy. Wish I had the $$

Steve: What is the orange stuff called? The Silicone Brake grease that I buy is CLEAR and comes in a plastic (toothpaste-like) tube. Says right on it "Hi-Temp Silicone Brake Grease". What I purchase does not harden. It does not melt either. Just sits there. Removes easily with a rag and a bit of CRC Brakleen or paint thinner when needed. HTH Carl

Hi Daniel: I know what you mean. I'd always thought that you had to keep grease and oil away from brakes PERIOD, but I when crewed for my (now) ex-father-in-law on a Trans-Am series Corvette back in the mid 80's, they were applying it to the back of their Disc brake Pads routinely, and he clued me in on it's benefits. It is a very hi-Temp grease that does not melt and if applied THINLY, it will not migrate to places it should not be. I'd be afraid that the Duct tape would catch fire or melt from the heat and booger up the rotor or pads since it's not designed to handle heat.

My list is going to be short (just like my finances! ): Service the Windsheild Wiper Pivots Refurbish the seats POR15 the Passenger Floorpan Save some $$ toward a full repaint That's All Folks! Carl

:stupid: Geez, I thought this WAS the same thread.:stupid: Sorry!

Hi derk: The pot life (working time) of the POR is very short, so I chose to purchase their "6-pak" of 6 - 4oz cans of POR15. I applied two coats to the inside and two to the underside of ONE floorpan. I still have 1 - 4oz can left. I used 1 - 12oz can of the Chassis Coat Black and it was plenty to do the inside and the underside. I probably applied both a little thicker than they suggest, but I wanted to make sure I had everything covered well. I'll let others with more experience chime in here about the temperature requirements, but I don't think 55 is warm enough to do this. Dry time at 55 will be VERY long! You may also want to consult the distributor that you purchased from. My distributor in CA was very willing to answer questions and was very knowedgable. They want you to do it right, so you'll be happy with the result and recommend the process to others.

Silicone Brake grease and new anti-squeal shims kept mine from being noisey for the 20,000 miles I had the car before I completely rebuilt the brake system this past summer. I reused the shims and applied another coat of grease on the back of the new pads and ....................(sound of silence!) Duct tape sounds like something Kyle would try!

Hi Enrique: I just used the heat gun to begin to soften the mat, no melting ever occured, as I never let that much heat be applied. The mats probably never got warmer than (maybe) 120-130 degrees, tops. It just peeled up ever so easily. I was done in under an hour for one floorpan, including the minimal clean-up required. Also, since I already had a heat gun in my shop, the price was right! I'm sure dry ice works also, but it would have it's own drawbacks as well. Careful handling is required, cost, availability (at least where I live) and CO2 build up in a confined workspace would be concerns of mine. DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS! As long as the stuff gets removed, it's on to the next step!

Hi Michael: I did a search on Eastwood's website and found "Quiet Pads" made by Dynamat. They are 12" by 12", and I think I'll use that for the floor and probably something with closed cell foam and maybe a reflective metal side for the trans tunnel, and inside the doors.

We are all glad to help "newbie's"! No use you having to learn by mistakes that have already been made by others. As for removing the mat, It really isn't (or wasn't for me) that difficult. I think I spent about 45 minutes to an hour on the drivers side. TOTAL! Get a hair dryer an hold it in one hand, probably on the low heat setting, then with a putty knife in the other hand you just start scraping it up in sections. Mine was amazingly easy and not messy at all. There were tiny bits of it left in some places, but that wiped off with acetone very quickly. Use good quality vinyl gloves as much as possible to protect your hands throughout the entire POR process! And don't breathe it any more than necessary. As for the POR process, remember to follow their directions to the letter. I'm not sure how cold the outside air temps are at this time of year where you live, but the POR Co. does not recommend application of the products in weather below 75 degrees F. The time consuming part was using the "Marine Clean", then thoroughly washing it off and drying the metal completely, before application of the "Metal Ready", rinsing that off and THOROUGHLY drying everything. THEN applying the POR15 which takes about 4 hours (@ 75+ degrees!) to dry to the "tack" stage where I applied their "Chassis Black" Topcoat. I had to do the treatment process over two days in September here in San Francisco Bay Area in order to have the ambient air temp where it needed to be for the whole application/drying time. Of course, you may have a heated garage, and the temperature difficulty that I had would not apply for you. To get the tarmat off and to remove the undercoat off of the underside of the car it took me 1 day. Two days to apply the complete POR treatment to the inside of the car, and another two days to apply it to the underside. I don't work real fast, but I do things as correctly as I can, since I HATE doing things like this over again, or not gaining the full benefit of the product. I beleive that once done, you will be happy with the results. Let us all know how you progress! Carl

Hi Michael The stuff that Ben used in those photo's appears similar to a home improvement type of Storm Proofing product that someone suggested was available at places like Home Depot. The only drawback to the product found at Home Depot (if it's the same or similar to what Ben used) was that it was only available in a 200 foot roll. Just "slightly" more than needed for two Z car floorpans! :cross-eye That's not to say anything negative about Ben's idea, or the execution of it. His result is definitely fine looking and should be a model to us all of how to do this type of work.:classic: Wish I could find a 50 ft roll stuff like that and then share it with 4 other Z owners doing this type of work!

Hi Ross: I did the complete POR15 treatment on the driver-side floorpan of my 72 240Z in September 02, I did not spray the product, I used brushes and followed the POR Distributor/Factory application instructions for that method to the letter. I'm very pleased with the result, though it has only been a few months. The POR is as tough as they claim. I've been able to peel it off a few places where it got on painted portions of the trans tunnel (by accident) that I did not treat, but it seems to be very well attached to the properly treated bare metal floorpans. I treated both the inside and underside of the floorpan. PS My Driver Door weatherseal still leaks (that's how the rust got started) and I routinely find about 1/4 inch of water in the underseat area after a full day's rain. but there has NOT been any sign AT ALL of rust recurrance. So I am a happy camper! Soon as we get some warmer/dryer days, (it always seems too cold or rainy on my days off!) I'll install the weatherseals I bought myself for Xmas!

Britt: Here's a link to the West Coast Distributor for POR Products. They carry EVERYTHING (or so they tell me). Price was the same as the factory store website quoted when I bought in August of this past year. Shipping should be quicker and maybe cheaper than from NJ. They should also be able to tell you who, if anyone, carries the products (and which products they stock) in your area. http://www.thefinishedlook.com/main.htm AIR, the POR15 itself has go UPS GROUND, and cannot go 2nd Day Air. That was mentioned on the Factory website. I believe that is due to the chemical make up of the product.

Hi David: Yeah, I'm like that too. It's hard for me to get "enough" racing, but I do prefer the more "sophisticated" types of racing (read that as current technology being involved, and left, right, uphill, downhill etc). Wasn't your Z broken into awhile back? Was there any damage? Carl

Derk: Here's a link to a Thread about POR15 treatments. http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4657 You may find the info useful. Enrique Scanlon has more experience with it than I, but we both seem to agree that it is a great product

My list is going to be short (just like my finances! ): Service the Windsheild Wiper Pivots Refurbish the seats POR15 the Passenger Floorpan Save some $$ toward a full repaint That's All Folks! Carl

Hi Ross: Go to http://www.eastwoodcompany.com/ and do a search on "Quiet Pads" and you'll see a product that is similar and the has been reccomended by others as a suitable substitute for the factory TarMat. I will be purchasing these in the spring when I do the POR 15 process on the Passenger Floorpan of Bambikiller. Right now the driver side POR15 project is done, but I left it without the pads, and the road noise is greater than before I removed the factory stuff.

Actually, I'm not attending this year. I've attended the last 3 in a row, but have decided to use the $ to get further towards making my Z worthy (in MY eyes) of taking down there. I've used rental cars for the trip so far. I've seen more than a few 240Z's down there that are worse off than mine, but I won't enter it in a show llike that until it meets my criteria for being worthy. Hopefully I'll be closer in 2004 (?) when they have the National Z Convention in LA. Maybe in conjuction with MSA's show? My car is a running daily driver, but has a front bumper shaped like a "W" and a ugly hood & headlight bucket. Seats need major work too. I'd like to take it down to the show after the front-end is fixed and a full repaint is done. Just need $4000 for the body shop. I have collected all of the parts except new bumper brackets to fix the front-end. Now comes the hard part ($$$$$)

I've tried the "Feedback" option. You get a nice little "Thank you for your interest" type of automated reply. Not much else. I haven't bothered to register as I get enough SPAM already, and I'm afraid that the NASCAR money machine will sell my address to every Tom, d***, and Harry that will pony up some cash. Just what I need..... more offers to buy Viagra, or to "grow inches", or God knows what else. Am I too cynical? :tapemouth

Yeah, wasn't it nice that they showed the SCCA Valvoline Run-Offs 2.5 months after they were in the history books?!

Hi again Steve: I'd sure vote for your idea. Two channels would be much better. I forgot to mention the good WRC shows that were shown earlier in the winter! I enjoy the "Inside Winston Cup" show on Monday evenings (NOT these re-runs, but the original showings) mostly due to Michael Waltrip and Kenny Shrader. Nice to see some racers having a little fun and clowning around like bench racers do. Two Guys Garage is just a paid advertisement for the SEMA industry. Their idea of car repair is just rip out the old parts and buy everything in sight. They don't "fix" anything. PARTS SWAPPERS! Oh, and also they tell you to buy every damn gizmo that is on the shelf while you're at the parts store. I'd need TWO GARAGES, one for all the crap they want you to buy, and the other to get something accomplished in!:stupid:

Steve: I bought my set of hardware on eBay for $10.00 (Girling manufactured) but it had the hardware for BOTH front wheels. I believe that the MSA set is also for both since the catalog just mentions "Front". Best to confirm with them when/if you order. No use getting two sets if you don't need them both. As 2ManyZs said, it could be the pad material causing it as well, but no shims, or lack of grease on the back of the pads will certainly cause the problem. So THAT was you squeeking through the MSA show entrance? If I'd have known I would have come up to say HI! :stupid: I was across the street in my rental car watching the parade! :classic:

Steve: Keep in mind that they (SPEEDTV) are only showing this good stuff while the Rednecks are on vacation! The F3000 races are from 2002, but their season ended long ago, similarly the British/German Touring car stuff. The Aussie V8 series may be newer, but still not shown live or anything like that. Also, SPEEDTV has not signed on for the 2003 F-1 season yet. For the 3rd year in a row, it looks like we will not know until the last second if the US is going to get F1 coverage on TV. I still believe that the 800 lb Gorilla (NASCAR) has plans to saturate the channel with as much Winston Cup, Busch, related programmig as the subscribers will stomach, even if that means not showing the other fine examples of racing available to them. I'm just surprised that they haven't decided to replay the entire Winston Cup season over the winter break. They must have gotten a real deal on the programming that they are showing!

If the need arises again to remove the Tar mat, use a hair dryer to heat it up a bit then you can use a putty knife to scrape it up very easily. There will still be a few tiny "bits" of it left, but I just wiped down the entire bare metal floorpan with a cloth soaked in acetone and they were instantly gone. Very easy and almost no clean up required as when using a wire brush or wheel to abrasively remove that crap. PS you don't need to buy the POR Solvent for clean-up as the acetone will work just fine for that too. If you need to THIN the POR15 for spraying instead of brushing it on, I WOULD buy their solvent.

In the picture that you uploaded, there are two rubber plugs visable, right? Those plugs are mounted in the metal floorpan. Do you see that "that area" is about 1/16" lower that the BLUE area of the rest of the floorpan? Also there are two more areas (Square in shape) toward the front of the floorpan that are similarly lower than the blue area of the floor pan. Those 4 small areas are the only places you are seeing the actual metal of the floorpan, and they look rusty to me All of that blue area is the tar mat. Scrape it with a screwdriver and you'll see that it isn't metal at all. It is a sound/vibration deadener used by the factory. It also holds water/moisture that condenses or otherwise collects for a long time, giving plenty of opportunity for CANCER to begin. For my time and $, I'd be treating BOTH inside and outside of the floorpan with POR15. In fact I did just that, but so far only on one side due to a lack of time. I have FIRM plans to do the other floorpan in the spring when I have the time to keep the car off the road for a week and do the work.