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There's hope yet then, eh? We probably haven't had that issue here in the UK yet. I'll look out for it. But come on - spill the beans! What made the list? Maybe this is worth a thread of its own? Come on Ron, let's talk racing cars. I dare you to start a thread with the Classic Motorsports Magazine list as the topic....... Cheers, Alan T.

I believe it is the car built and owned by Mr Ad Verkuijlen of VA Motorsport in Holland: http://www.va-motorsport.com Its a very well prepared car, and has raced all over Europe - including the Nurburgring and Spa. I supplied some of the parts on it. Amen to that. I totally agree. Many of these cars have been crashed and rebuilt several times during their lives........

Hi Nate, You are most welcome ( but there's still no substitute for a native Japanese speaker ). Well, during the period between around mid-May to early November there are usually several car-related events worth seeing every weekend somewhere in the UK - and England in particular. You could hire a car and be within reasonable driving distance of any of them. Top recommendation would be either of the two main Goodwood meetings: *GOODWOOD FESTIVAL OF SPEED - 7 / 8 / 9 July. *GOODWOOD REVIVAL MEETING - 1 / 2 / 3 Sept. http://www.goodwood.co.uk ....both of which are well worth going to. When you get closer to setting your itinerary, drop me a PM and I'll scope out what's going on around that time. We don't drink much Boddington's down here in London - its a Manchester beer. We've still got some good independent London breweries, so I'll have to try and introduce you to their wares . Cheers, Alan T.

OK. But me is woe sometimes Do you see what I mean though? You poke your head above the parapet and try to answer a question as best you can, whilst knowing that you're going to lose either way. Its like being invited to go hunting with **** Cheney. I guess getting 'close' with these pronunciations is good enough. Sometimes they can be funny though. I have a friend who can't seem to pronounce 'Mitsubishi' no matter how many times he tries. It keeps coming out as "MitsuBOOshi". He says that he is physically unable to say it properly, even though he knows he's doing it wrong. One of the American-market voiceovers to a 'Best Motoring' video has been giving us the giggles here at home for a few weeks now. Its the one where Motoharu Kurosawa is driving a KPGC10 GT-R around the Fuji Speedway track for the 'last time' before Toyota redeveloped it. I don't know why, but the American voiceover guy has a very strange way of pronouncing 'Hakosuka'. My girlfriend now keeps shouting out "HAKKA-SOOOOOKER!" and laughing manically. She thinks its the funniest thing she's heard in ages.

See? I can't win whatever I do can I? Nate asked my opinion and I put a bit of effort into answering him. Anybody is free to dispute what I have written if they think it is wrong. If I hadn't bothered to answer I suppose I'd have been wrong for not answering too........

Nate, The problem is that proper phonetic pronunciation of Japanese is very difficult to 'Romanise' ( and try saying that with a mouthful of breakfast cereal ). As Sakijo pointed out, the proper Chinese-derived Japanese 'Kanji' characters for 'Nissan' are: 日産 and this can also be written in the phonetic Japanese 'Katakana' characters as: ニッサン The two Kanji characters in 日産 are - like all Chinese-derived Japanese Kanji - ideograms ( ie - to oversimplify, their meaning is an agreed concept ) and if you separate them they can read differently and mean something else. However, let's just say that the first character 日 is actually the first character of 'Nihon' ( often Romanised in the past as 'Nippon' ) from 'Nihon Sangyo' ( the origin of the 'Nissan' name ). The second character 産 is the 'San' part of 'Sangyo' ( translates as 'trading' ). Japanese pronunciation of 日産 is - as I mentioned - difficult to Romanise, and the best I can do is say that to my ear the 'Ni' part is approximate to the 'ni' in 'nick', and the 'ssan' part is approximate to the 'san' in 'sand'. Run the two together and it sounds a little different though........ The 'Katakana' ( phonetic ) characters come out as: ニッサン and that is two distinct syllables from four characters. However, notice that the second character ( ッ ) is slightly smaller than the others. This affects the pronunciation of that character - effectively giving it reduced power. In spoken use this modifies the first character to make it shorter sounding; a kind of abrupt 'Ni' ( not like 'knee' - but more like that 'ni' in 'nick' ). The second syllable is a combination of サ which is pronounced 'sa' like that 'sa' in 'sand', and ン which is an 'n' sound - the two running together to make a flat-sounding 'san'. See how difficult it is to Romanise these sounds without proper phonetic symbols? You really need to hear the original Japanese at the same time as reading the Romanised version in order to get close to saying it correctly. 'Datsun' was not originally written in Japanese 'Kanji' ( being originally derived from an acronym ) and is therefore usually written in Katakana, as: ダットサン Here's a case where what was originally written in 'Romaji' ( 'our' Roman alphabet ) is converted into Japanese phonetic characters - the reverse of the 'Nissan' / 'Nihon Sangyo' situation. However, the Japanese pronuciation of 'DATSUN' sounds more like 'Dattosan' than anything else, and this is converted into Katakana as ダットサン which is five characters and ( I'd say ) three syllables. Key point here is that - like most Japanese - 'Datto-san' is pronounced quite flat, with little stress on any one syallable. The whole thing is a huge minefield. You'll get different opinions on how the phonetic pronunciations should be Romanised ( and vice-versa ) but the truth is that you need to hear the sounds to really 'get' it. There's no substitute for that. Languages - after all is said and done - are living things, and these days they change very quickly. Trying to pin current pronunciations down is hard enough without trying to 'convert' them across languages too. These words and syllables only have value as spoken currency when the majority of the people using them agree as to what they actually mean and represent, don't they? And of course, you really ought to be asking these kinds of questions to a native Japanese speaker rather than an Englishman..........! :classic: Cheers, Alan T.

'English' English or 'American' English pronunciation is neither here nor there. The truth is in Japanese: ニッサン

Eric, I have a 'subscription', but I didn't pay for it. They gave it to me as some kind of freebie a few years ago, so I don't know if I should really class it as a 'subscription' if I don't pay for it......... However, they do accept overseas subscriptions and they even have a page in the mag that is dedicated to this ( in English ). Maybe this is for 'Nostalgic Hero' only and not the other titles in the Geibunsha publishing portfolio - hence the information on the website not being 100% accurate? Here's a scan of the subscriptions page. Surely its worth a try? Do remember that the mag is bi-monthly ( only six issues a year ), so you have to weight the cost up against that:

Eric, As far as I know, the dates for this year's 'BP Nostalgic Car Show' are: *Fukuoka - 12th March *Nagano - 3rd & 4th May *Tokyo - 27th & 28th May *Nagoya - 17th & 18th June *Hokkaido - 15th & 16th July *Osaka - 24th September You can get more info from the website: www.nostalgic.co.jp Alan T. ( ps - Nostalgic Hero magazine has an overseas subscription service if you want to get it mailed to you direct from Japan ).

Here's what it looked like:

I think you might be as much as a year out. KBNR32 Skyline GT-R.

Yeah, I recognise what it is from - but are you sure you have its build date right? Mine was also a 1989 - but a couple of months later than September.............

I don't really need to "think hard" about it. From a very young age I had my uncle as a point of reference in my 'education' about wartime cruelty. He was in the Chindits under Orde Wingate, and was captured by the Japanese in Burma. I don't think I need to tell you what he went through, do I? Luckily, he managed to survive....... But personally speaking, I find it hard to think in that 'we were kind to them, compared to what they would have done to us had we lost.....' frame of morality. As the victor of a war, you either judge the vanquished by your own code of justice and morality, or........what? I don't really want to see any implied justification for what might and could have been inflicted on the vanquished Japanese just because they would have been brutal in victory themselves. The victor gets to do the judging, after all. I grew up with my uncle - influenced by his experiences as a POW - telling me that the Japanese were an inherently cruel, sadistic and cowardly race. I'm glad to say that I took his views with a large pinch of salt, and found - happily - from personal experience that his wild generalisation was not accurate or definitive. The people I met had moved on during the intervening 40 years or so - as indeed had the Americans, the British, the Germans and almost everybody else. And having lived with Japanese of his generation, and having talked with them about those times, I got a different perspective. The perspective of the 'ordinary' working / fighting man and his family you might say. I empathised to some extent. Easy to see that the main difference between my uncle and the men who imprisoned him was what they were being told to do. The irony that he was captured in Burma ( I don't know how many thousand kilometres that was from his London home ) whilst taking the King's Shilling always seems to have escaped him. He seemed to think that it was naturally right for the British to defend their 'Empire'. He didn't give a damn that Japan might have had its own empirical ambitions, or that the British might have been just as cruel to the nations and peoples that it subjugated to win that Empire. More over-simplification. Effectively used only for emotive effect. Shall we judge the USA by asking the American Indians what they thought of "target practice", and do we throw Vietnam into the mix for good measure? ALL major nations have skeletons in their cupboards, don't they? The victors get to hide a lot more of their own. We soon drift off topic don't we? I merely added a word of disagreement pointed at the implied subtext to the part of Carl's post that I quoted, and now we are here. I don't think I should have bothered. Politics on car forums never goes anywhere useful, does it? Alan T.

I'm all for it! Now, who's 'truth' shall we use........? "Very good and generous" - arguably so, yes. But from the perspective of my parents and grandparents, I think the view that it was 'expedient' for the USA to do what it did was more to the fore. Especially as the United Kingdom spent most of the latter half of the Twentieth Century paying back Lend-Lease. And that is what I was bringing to the discussion; a different perspective. Cue immediate plea for thread deletion........ But do you see why I questioned the bland simplification of the situation in Carl's post ( the part I quoted )? I don't believe it is historically correct or even fair to talk about Japan being "well treated" by the US in the aftermath of war without pointing out the main political, economic and strategic reasons for it too. And before anyone chimes in with a reminder about American blood spilled on foreign land - I know and appreciate that ( and I've been to the cemeteries too ), so let's not make it a stupid "with us, or against us" argument - please? My sympathy lies with the ordinary man in the street and his family, whether British, American, Japanese, German or wherever. It is always 'John Doe and family' who suffer for geopolitics. Having lived and worked in Japan, and having what I like to think of as half of my family being Japanese, I find it rather distasteful to see somebody implying that treating the Japanese "well" - just a matter of weeks after dropping fire on its cities - was somehow driven purely by the 'kind heart' of the victorious nation. And to then imply that this kind-heartedness is what has led to the overpowering of the US auto industry by the Japanese auto industry is just, well - ridiculously simplistic. But if it pleases people to think that my dissent is part of my "agenda", then go ahead - be wrong. Alan T.

I'm sure the designers, engineers, production line workers, white-collar staff and everybody else involved in making and selling cars within Nissan Motor Co. back in Japan ( let alone their staff in the rest of the world ) will be happy to hear that it was all down to one man :cheeky: Quantify that. As compared to what, and how far back do you want to look at "human history"? You make it sound like The United States of America was 'looking after' Japan post-War just out of human kindness. Which is absolutely not the case is it?

I think you'll find that the picture shows a combustion chamber that is not yet finished.......

Hi Jim, Good to see you on this thread again. I know that car, and have seen it in Japan. It belongs to a friend of a friend. It is absolutely wonderful. A real credit to its owner. Yes - the oil cooler on that car was an 'option' part for the PGC10 and KPGC10 that was available to order at time of purchase. It was also available from the Sports Option lists for those models. Big coolers, aren't they? Jim, as a Prince connoisseur I know you can vouch for the high standard of engineering in the Prince product, and will agree that this high standard was carried over into the S20 engine when Sakurai sensei and his team were transplanted into the Nissan fold. Cheers, Alan T.

Carl, I'm not sure it really needs any "explanation" in the sense of it being either 'right' or 'wrong'.......? We have to be mindful that the S20 was - in all but name - essentially the child of Shinichiro Sakurai and his ex-Prince team, operating like a separate Principality within the Nissan fold. They were still doing things their way ( they still are to some extent ), and in some ways it is no surprise that Prince were well on their way to the wall when they were married-off to Nissan. You can't fault their single-mindedness. Close inspection of an S20 engine ( externally and internally ) brings home just how much time, effort and money went into each one. Just off the top of my head, I'd estimate that a single S20 engine probably cost Nissan something like five or six times the cost of ( for example ) an L20A or L24 to manufacture. They are an absolute joy to work on, and the way they come apart and go back together is a treat. No real 'throwaway' parts, and everything designed to be rebuildable. Even the oil pump impellers run on roller bearings. No wonder that they probably lost money on every one of them they made........ As for the 'cartridge' type oil filter - who knows? Its not like it doesn't work efficiently or effectively. The pressure-relief valve is integral to the body of the filter housing casting, so that may have had something to do with it. Adapters for 'spin-on' type filters have been available for many years now - so conversion, with all the benefits of the 'spin-on' type, is possible and simple. Alan T.

Carl, I have only posted only one image representing parts intended to be used on the S20 engine of the Fairlady Z-432 and Fairlady Z-432R on this thread ( in post #77 ), but you are referring to two.........? Where's the other one? Alan T.

Wet sump, Mike.

And for comparison, the large 'stand up' oil cooler that was standard equipment on the 432R, and an optional part on the 432:

My cars ( '70 Fairlady Z-L and '72 Fairlady 240ZG ) both are too. "Upside down" might be a moot point. I don't think I've ever seen one in real life that was installed with the orientation suggested in the factory parts manuals. Having the filter on top surely makes it a LOT easier to change it ( especially in a Works rally car ) and I don't see any problem rotating the base a certain amount? The hoses can be pointed in any direction before snugging them down too. Here's a few pics for extra reference. Two cars are involved - both Works 240Z rally cars, one RHD and one LHD. One 71 RAC spec and one 72 Monte Carlo spec. Notice the differences in hose connections:

Well John, you'll have to explain "getting bent over" to me, and how it applies to what was happening on this thread. I'm afraid the only English I speak and write is English English, and anything other than that takes a little extra thought for me ( as a native Englishman ). I do however know the difference between "getting laid" and "getting laid into"........ To bring the thread back to the original subject of oil coolers, here's a pic of a Nissan factory oil cooler attached to a genuine Works rally car. I think the cooler itself and the L-shaped brackets that were used to attach it to the radiator support crossmember are the same as those supplied in the Factory dealer option and Sports Option kits, and in the Datsun Competition-supplied kits in the USA.

"Just"? That was an internet-age ago now. Generally speaking, I think its a good thing that you are now re-reading what I wrote a couple of days ago ( that is, presuming you actually read it the first time around ). Maybe you are now starting to get your head around it too? But all you are doing is proving that your sole intention in joining this thread was to action your own agenda, whilst accusing me of having one of my own.

There are lots of examples of what you might call 'inaccuracies' in the Factory literature. If you have any of the Factory 'R-Drive' parts lists you can spot plenty. They are there in the parts lists and Factory manuals for the HLS30U too. Ask your local expert. The actual oil cooler kit and its related componentry are in bold print on the page I posted. Those are the parts that are the subject of the page, and those are the parts that you are supposed to pay attention to. Everything else is just for context. The part number quoted in the file's name should have told you something too........ You will notice that the faint line drawing of the S30-series Z that this is superimposed on is not 100% 'accurate' in all details ( surprise surprise ). How seriously do you want to take this? Do you actually think that missing items such as front side repeaters, hubcaps, rubber bumper trims and other such details matter? Maybe the lack of these in the illustration would have misled you too? Just face it 'moonpup' - you went off half-cocked and now you are not waving, but drowning. When you had doubts about the application of the parts illustrated you should have raised a question about them, instead of launching into a personal attack on me for what you call my "agenda". If the illustration had have been related to the S20 engine, then you would have had me on the hook. Its a shame you didn't play your cards a little more cleverly. "Softly, softly, catchee monkey......". You are hoist by your own Petard, sir. Alan T.