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1 hour ago, SteveJ said:

The VIN is consistent with a 72.

The VIN of the BAT listing 76 I showed is lower than the VIN of the blue car in question.  So the blue eBay Beverly Hills turd should have been created after the nice BAT 76.  Therefore, a 76 or later.  Are we all looking at the same numbers and posts (things get squirrelly here at times)? 

Edit - actually I see that the VINs don't seem to accumulate over the years.  Looks like they reset each year?  Why? 

So, the VIN is not actually helpful in determining year.  But the rest of the car looks 76 to me.  Who moves the fusible link terminals over with an engine swap?  And the AC solenoids (magnet valves).

Here's a 72 - HLS3051114

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-datsun-240z-152/

 

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It does have the 6400 RPM redline tachometer also.  A 280Z part.  It's a messy car.

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1 hour ago, SteveJ said:

The rear quarter panels, bumpers, and grill are consistent with a 72. 

My guess is that it was a wreck and rebuild at some point.

How is a 72 quarter different from a 76 quarter?  I don't know.

Might be that it was in a rear ender sandwich in the past.  Whatever it was, it's just another parts car now.

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9 hours ago, Zed Head said:

The VIN of the BAT listing 76 I showed is lower than the VIN of the blue car in question.  So the blue eBay Beverly Hills turd should have been created after the nice BAT 76.  Therefore, a 76 or later.  Are we all looking at the same numbers and posts (things get squirrelly here at times)? 

Edit - actually I see that the VINs don't seem to accumulate over the years.  Looks like they reset each year?  Why? 

So, the VIN is not actually helpful in determining year.  But the rest of the car looks 76 to me.  Who moves the fusible link terminals over with an engine swap?  And the AC solenoids (magnet valves).

Here's a 72 - HLS3051114

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-datsun-240z-152/

 

The VIN posted by @lonetreesteve was HLS3056312. What I didn't notice is that it's one digit short. If the missing digit is a leading "0", that would put it in the range for a 72. The 76 VIN should be HLS30270001 to HLS30350000 for a coupe and GLS30030001 to GLS30060000 according to the chart below (though I suspect it might be GLS30003001 to GLS30006000 due to the lower production numbers - unless the VINs were unified for the 75 and later worldwide). They may have got it screwed up in the email they sent him. They wouldn't have re-set VIN numbers, though I think it has been established that VINs are not necessarily sequential.

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In my observations, it appears that the bumper indentations on rear quarter panels disappeared after 74. Here is a restoration in progress on a 75 that shows the lack of indentations: http://mybuildgarage.com/2010/09/1975-datsun-280z-restoration/

I'm not willing to bet against you for the lack of title or the parts car status. I'm not sure you could get more than a couple of hundred in parts off of that car. 

 
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I actually avoided commenting on the blue car just because it seemed like a messy discussion.  Thought I had the easy solution with the VIN posted from Beverly Hills.  I had found that jdmjunkies chart too but couldn't read it.

I don't think I'd buy a car from those guys.  They're like the opposite of BAT.  As little info presented as possible.

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14 hours ago, Zed Head said:

How is a 72 quarter different from a 76 quarter?  I don't know.

Might be that it was in a rear ender sandwich in the past.  Whatever it was, it's just another parts car now.

The sheet metal is let in for the bumper for the 240. The later 260 and 280 are smooth, no depression for the bumper.

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1 hour ago, Racer X said:

The sheet metal is let in for the bumper for the 240. The later 260 and 280 are smooth, no depression for the bumper.

If it has the indents I'd guess that they were smashed in there when the car was dragged through the field.  And the front end might just be smashed and rusty 76 parts.  JUST SAYING!! (Why am I even writing about this turd...)

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24 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

If it has the indents I'd guess that they were smashed in there when the car was dragged through the field.  And the front end might just be smashed and rusty 76 parts.  JUST SAYING!! (Why am I even writing about this turd...)

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I think you're right, there is not a relief on the rear quarter.

 

I just checked the rear strut tower differences, 240 to 280. The tower is 42 millimeters (1.65") higher on the 280. In the shots looking in from the back they do look taller. This car is looking more like a 280 that has been given the 240 look with the bumper makeover.

Another odd thing is I can't see the park/turn signals in the grille.

Maybe the brackets rusted away and they fell off.

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I still just see a 76 that had a 240 bumper and grill conversion. Note that there are NO turn signals on the front. Nothing in the lower corners, and nothing in the grill. The original turn signals perished with the original grill, and the guy doing the conversion didn't spring for 240/260 style down on the corners because the parts are hard to find and expensive.

The rest of the front looks like straight-up 280 with the original bumper stuff removed and 240 bumpers installed. The 280 comes with the recesses in the lower panels just like in the pics. Drill out the spot welded valance pieces and you've got room for the 240 bumper.

As for the rear quarters... I can't tell from the pics if there are really indents in the sides for the bumpers. And even if there are recesses there, I can't be sure if they were intentional or not. In other words, even if there are recesses there, they may be better called "dents" than "reliefs".  Haha!!

Racer X, and yes... One of the things that is a solid "280 tell" for me is the rear strut towers. The hips are higher on the 280's and so are the cut-out notches in the interior trims. And this car has the high-hipped strut towers.

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39 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

So what the heck eats off all the rubber and fabric like that?

I'm thinking that this car came from Piedmont, AZ near the site of a satellite crash or something??   @Dave WM

The dash, interior trim and upholstery look to have fallen victim to a large rodent. The rest has a bad case of metal worm.

 

 

 

 

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Datsun 240z wall or yard art - $500 (Southbay)

Seller is located in Gardena, CA. Looks like the parts are from a pretty solid 240Z. Once this is finished, it would be a very large piece of wall art!  Here's the CL link: 

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pts/d/gardena-datsun-240z-wall-or-yard-art/7242306370.html

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5 minutes ago, lonetreesteve said:

Datsun 240z wall or yard art - $500 (Southbay)

Seller is located in Gardena, CA. Looks like the parts are from a pretty solid 240Z. Once this is finished, it would be a very large piece of wall art!  Here's the CL link: 

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pts/d/gardena-datsun-240z-wall-or-yard-art/7242306370.html

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Sweet.

I think.

 

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1 hour ago, lonetreesteve said:

Datsun 240z wall or yard art - $500 (Southbay)

Seller is located in Gardena, CA. Looks like the parts are from a pretty solid 240Z. Once this is finished, it would be a very large piece of wall art!  Here's the CL link: 

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pts/d/gardena-datsun-240z-wall-or-yard-art/7242306370.html

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Hey @Diseazd, now you can have a whole side of a Z hanging on your garage wall !!  😉

 

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The seller states the following:

Drivers side of a datsun 240z for a man cave.
This is a full size car.
Was going to hang it on the wall.
Has been gutted to lighten it.
Includes slotted wheels and tires.  That would be something to see a 240Z with wheels & tires on a large wall! 
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I would think a good quarter would be worth more than a door but both are becoming rare

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13 hours ago, Zed Head said:

I wonder if the door is complete.  That would be worth some money.

Nope, it's completely gutted and the inner panel is cut out to lighten it...the entire back side is cut out to lighten it.  This is posed in one of the Facebook groups and there are pix of the backside.

 

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Someone mentioned something about the wheels...  I think I looks pretty good with them!

 

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