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Restoration of 71 240z

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Finally got back to your posts. I am interested in seeing how you handle how the header fits with your SU’s. I had to abandon mine after seeing how close the header fit to the hose on the bottom of the rear SU..

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1 hour ago, Captain Obvious said:

Now THERE'S something you don't see every day!    LOL

 

Im trying to talk them in to putting it on the front of that 50's Ford in the background. 

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1 hour ago, 7tooZ said:

Finally got back to your posts. I am interested in seeing how you handle how the header fits with your SU’s. I had to abandon mine after seeing how close the header fit to the hose on the bottom of the rear SU..

Well I didn't know that would be a potential problem but I guess I will burn that bridge when I get there. Still got a bit of a wait time on getting the carbs back in, Last I heard possibly late June early July. 

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This is the worst build thread ever! I cant get my iphone to connect to my computer and import the pictures so I have to email them to myself and do it that way. A lot has been done but here it goes:

There are 2 different cars in a few of my earlier pictures. My whole front clip was in fairly rough shape. It had been hit at some point previously and very poorly put back to shape. Battery area rusted!....Front left frame rail was crunched...inner fender liners were all banged up. I looked for a while for a 240 front to use but never found anything usable for a 240 (at that time....now of course one showed up on Ebay I saw the other day). I did however find a junkyard 260 that was in pretty rough shape everywhere but the front. It was reasonably priced so I trailered it back to the shop. I figured it would be slightly different but at the time I was ready to move forward and build a damn car. I didn't realize quite how different they would be. 

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Most of the firewall from the 240 was fine except the area right around the battery box, so we cut that firewall section from the 260. Of course the only whole in that section is the wiring harness grommet hole.....not the same! All of you more than likely know all of this but I have had to learn the hard way. 

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Im sure a bunch of other stuff happened I didnt take pictures of but here we go with the body work. I guess Everything went pretty well for a bunch of guys who have never had/seen/worked on a Zcar before. After the paint comes later its clear that the body line that runs down the length of the whole car isn't perfect but honestly until I read Inline6's thread and saw him working so hard on his I would have probably never noticed. 

My plans were never to flip or sell this car ( I would lose my arse if I did) but to enjoy and drive it around and try to get 20 something women to honk!

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This is what I didn't know....Those areas are definitly not the same as a 240! The original metal is there it is just covered up with other metal I can only assume was changed for some sort of crash rating law changes in 74-75? Of course the radiator support vertical panel is wildly different to go around all that mess.

It is such a bonehead move on my part to spend so much time, money and effort trying to keep this thing as original as possible and restore this car back to normal. I really just picked the wrong car from the start. It looked good but I didn't know what I was looking at and the crap body work from the previous owners covered up a lot of problems. The interior was also in such good shape that I thought it was a good platform to start with. I'm sure people have done more with less and maybe its not so bad but the thought of me having cut a 260 front off and put on this car makes me want to throw up a little now! In hindsight I should have bought a better car but whats done is done and I aint starting over!

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My business involves me owning and operating a lot of work trucks. The guy who's shop we are doing this has been my diesel mechanic for going on 20 years. He has done a lot of car work but mostly on newer mustangs and old Ford Pickups. I talked him into helping me out with this car and now he has hired on some other guys to do some resto and body work in an open bay beside his diesel shop......now he's getting a paint booth after my car is done! I am pleased with the paint job. We still plan on buffing as far as I know unless they all are so tired of me at this point and ban me from the shop entirely! He's a good friend and I appreciate all the help so far even though he really doesn't have time for it. 

The car had a 905 red sticker on it when i bought it so I decided to go back with that color. At least I think I have that color. The place I sourced the paint from in town did have the code 905 Red in their system.....they just had 3 very different mixtures of 905 red?? Two of the three formulas were mostly orange so I picked the only one that actually had any red pigment and got a sample. It looked good to me but what the hell do I know....I've never seen a 905 red Zcar in person and there is very conflicting information on the Ultraweb. This is MY 905 Red and its cool with me.

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I was going to say these next pictures obviously aren't part of this build but technically I have used this to run around many days getting parts and shuttling supplies to and from this build so technically it is! Somewhere during this build thread I found this and had to have it. This was the very 1st vehicle I owned. My kids think its stupid and ugly but every time I climb into this beautiful, very slow, cramped, no AC having little pickup truck I am 16 years old again and couldn't be more tickled with it. Makes we want to score a six pack of Miller and go to the Rock Quarry outside of Athens GA to skip school and try and talk some gal into doing something she shouldnt! Its perfect!

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Carbs came in from ZTherapy and they look amazing. Got them installed on my engine that has now been sitting for around 4 months waiting on its car.

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Back to the problems with the difference in the 260 front end vs the 240. I think by this point I had noticed it was very different, of course AFTER it was painted, but I didn't realize how different it was. Headlight buckets and lower corner valances with the turn signals go on fine. The center valance, grill and bumper not so much. Those extra angles cover up the holes that are actually still there for a 240z bumper bracket. They also get in the way of the front valance and it cannot be mounted. This is when I really got down on myself about using the 260 front. When i inspected it further I noticed besides those angles and the radiator support panel being shaped around them it was basically the same. I could either start over and cut the car again or do some modifying on the fly. I needed it to be like "The Orange". I looked at the bumper conversion brackets and I think they would work fine but that still left the grill. I didnt want the 260 grill on this car. 

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This is the best I could come up with. It's a little goofy but damnit my grill, bumper and valance fit now and honestly it could look a lot worse. After all the extra metal was cut away that I have chalked up it left the gaping hole in the radiator support panel which had to be patched. The holes are different but everything else is basically the same. I did leave the extra metal on the backside of the support panel but its not hurting anything.

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I do not have another 240 around to reference so this site has been such a great tool to use for pictures of correct cars and how things go. Motorman7 always has good pictures to reference but he threw me a curve ball with this one! The grill mounting brackets in the blue circles are upside down (or bent up). You should have seen me holding my grill up trying to figure out how in the hell I was going to mount it that way.....then after an hour of scratching my head and cursing myself I found a lot of other pictures with the brackets hanging down instead of pointing up.

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I had a guy I've used to do upholstery work on various trucks and things over the years come and remove the old black vinyl while we were tearing it down because it was in nice shape and had that old vintage quality to it. I had intended on reusing it. Someone, I cant remember who told me most of it ripped when they were taking it out. I was pretty bummed about that but went ahead and ordered a new kit. Just doesn't look as good as the old stuff but what could I do. Time came to put it all back in the car and the old veteran upholster sent his teenage son in training over to do the job. I wasn't there but I came back to find this. I think his response was, "I've done a lot of these cars and that's how they all are! There is a bench that goes back there to cover that up." It wasn't funny but I had to laugh. His next words were,  "If you can show me a picture of the vinyl going to the deck on another one of these I'll pay twice to replace it!" The boy had also covered the cross section of the roof with the overhead light all the way from side to side....nevermind those wires and stuff!

I told him to get his check book out. Luckily I found the old stuff that had been thrown over in the corner somewhere getting covered in body filler dust and overspray. A little gasoline and it cleaned up nice. For now I just left the new stuff on the tunnel cover and strut towers but I have the original in case it bugs me enough later to redo it. 

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Same upholstery guy resealed my quarter windows, he said he had done that before too. It's all back together good but it doesn't seal up in that rear corner. I read in the "How to restore bible" that the early cars used some rubber shims and caulking to build that corner up before the outer strip was glued on. At least that's that way I took it from reading the book. There aren't any pictures of that I can find. I didn't take the windows apart so I have no idea how it was "shimmed". If anyone has any advice on that I'm all ears. All I can think to do is removed the outer weather strip...cut up some tire tube and build it up some. I also don't think the window is seated all the way back at the moment but its not that far off. I can see daylight around that corner.

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13 minutes ago, Clay C said:

I had a guy I've used to do upholstery work on various trucks and things over the years come and remove the old black vinyl while we were tearing it down because it was in nice shape and had that old vintage quality to it. I had intended on reusing it. Someone, I cant remember who told me most of it ripped when they were taking it out. I was pretty bummed about that but went ahead and ordered a new kit. Just doesn't look as good as the old stuff but what could I do. Time came to put it all back in the car and the old veteran upholster sent his teenage son in training over to do the job. I wasn't there but I came back to find this. I think his response was, "I've done a lot of these cars and that's how they all are! There is a bench that goes back there to cover that up." It wasn't funny but I had to laugh. His next words were,  "If you can show me a picture of the vinyl going to the deck on another one of these I'll pay twice to replace it!" The boy had also covered the cross section of the roof with the overhead light all the way from side to side....nevermind those wires and stuff!

I told him to get his check book out. Luckily I found the old stuff that had been thrown over in the corner somewhere getting covered in body filler dust and overspray. A little gasoline and it cleaned up nice. For now I just left the new stuff on the tunnel cover and strut towers but I have the original in case it bugs me enough later to redo it. 

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Maybe he was thinking all Z cars were 2+2s.

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SteveJ you are in my town. I know you are itching to come put together a car!

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9 minutes ago, Clay C said:

SteveJ you are in my town. I know you are itching to come put together a car!

Yep, my 240Z has been waiting on me for a few years now...

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I live pretty close to you, Highlands, NC.  I’m in the early stages of what will eventually be a full restoration, if I could ever bring myself to stop driving the 240 nearly EVERYDAY!  Where did you have your plated parts re-plated?  I’m thinking about tackling the engine bay once the roads get salted and I’m forced to park it for a while. 

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