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6 hours ago, Gav240z said:

Alan what should a Portuguese market S30Z suffix be?

I don't know. I would guess - as per thread title - that it was 'HLS30Q', plus - it seems likely - an extra letter identifier for the Portuguese sub-variant, because they were unique in certain details. Maybe something like 'HLS30QU' or 'HLS30QE' (for the well-regarded 'Entreposto') would have worked.

'HLS30U' just doesn't make sense as an identifier for the Portuguese market variants. Nissan tended not to share 'Katashiki' codes across variants that were quite different, and - as we know - 'HLS30U' was the base code for the North American market models, with extra suffixes for further sub-variants. Why would Nissan risk confusing matters by also using 'HLS30U' for the Portuguese market cars?

I've often asked for evidence of factory codes from glovebox bases on Portuguese market cars, which might give useful clues, but nothing forthcoming so far. 

 

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12 hours ago, Datsunbat said:

Awesome! This car still exists and is was red when new!!!

It's vin is HLS30-092212 and is a 72. Until now he had 12 owners ans the last one until the moment is from 1998, and the engine number is L24-116221...so cool to see old photos!!! ahahah...

Here we had many parts, but now all has to be bought online from Japan or USA, because Nissan Ibérica is not dealing right with old cars, unfortunately!

It is nice that you know the car! Do you have any photos of it now?

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Hi Mário , thank you so much for joining here ! One day I will visit Portugal to see your beautiful car! 
Alan explains perfectly,  “ U “ means USA and Canada and some .And first of all, the test report had indicated “ HLS30Q (Europe version) “ as a title , so it is very clear about your car is HLS30Q . 

Here is a good example for it . 
 

Kats

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13 hours ago, HS30-H said:

I don't know. I would guess - as per thread title - that it was 'HLS30Q', plus - it seems likely - an extra letter identifier for the Portuguese sub-variant, because they were unique in certain details. Maybe something like 'HLS30QU' or 'HLS30QE' (for the well-regarded 'Entreposto') would have worked.

'HLS30U' just doesn't make sense as an identifier for the Portuguese market variants. Nissan tended not to share 'Katashiki' codes across variants that were quite different, and - as we know - 'HLS30U' was the base code for the North American market models, with extra suffixes for further sub-variants. Why would Nissan risk confusing matters by also using 'HLS30U' for the Portuguese market cars?

I've often asked for evidence of factory codes from glovebox bases on Portuguese market cars, which might give useful clues, but nothing forthcoming so far. 

 

I have some photos on my glovebox and it's written with 3 letters and 2 numbers...I'm actually searching for the photos! 

But I'll upload the title with the suffix "U"...but you're right...they're "Q"...now I remember of something I have that was shared by someone that was connected to Entreposto...I'll upload right away!!!

10 hours ago, 240260280 said:

It is nice that you know the car! Do you have any photos of it now?

Yes, I have! I'll have to find them...but it will be easy...I've all organized!!! Just have to look at my discs.

8 hours ago, kats said:

Hi Mário , thank you so much for joining here ! One day I will visit Portugal to see your beautiful car! 
Alan explains perfectly,  “ U “ means USA and Canada and some .And first of all, the test report had indicated “ HLS30Q (Europe version) “ as a title , so it is very clear about your car is HLS30Q . 

Here is a good example for it . 
 

Kats

 

 

Thanks. I guess we've talked on another forum about this case and letters! But you're right...they're "Q" but the title says "U"...I'll upload the clues...even under the glovebox...just trying to find the photos...10 minutes...ok!

I've here a nice document!

Regards

Mário

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Here I let you a document that proves that you're right...even the 260's are "Q".

This document is related to imports to Portugal...as you can state, 71 has 70 z's imported, 72 - 25 Z's and 73-44 Z's...

But a small and little detail, the 70 Z's from 1971, only 40 were sold in this year, the other 30 left were sold during 72...

Mine is from March (1971) and was registered on the 27th August.

I'll send you now the title...10 minutes...

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Here is my title registration...some fields are scratched on purpose...

You can see the suffix "U" when related to Model...but the vin is HLS30-xxxxx without the suffix...

Now, I'll search for the glovebox photos...10 minutes again...ahahaha

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I've to search for the under glovebox photos...I can't locate the photos...perhaps I've got them on another disc...but I promise that tomorrow I'll post the photos!!!

 

12 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

 

Are you related to @kats   Brilliant Data!  Thanks for posting!!!!

ahahah...no...too far from Japan!!!

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On 2/29/2020 at 8:30 AM, Datsunbat said:

Here is my title registration...some fields are scratched on purpose...

You can see the suffix "U" when related to Model...but the vin is HLS30-xxxxx without the suffix...

Now, I'll search for the glovebox photos...10 minutes again...ahahaha

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Thank you so much, I see “ U” in the Modelo , 

that is  a kind of rare thing. The officer made a mistake about stamping U instead of Q , or just forgetting  to stamp “ Q “ for it  . 
 

And I have never seen the import data of Portuguese 240 Z and others , that is fascinating! Your 240Z is HLS30Q , confirmed.

Kats

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Until I read the last few posts I had forgotten that my 1970 240z  HLS30-01955  for 46 yrs has the VIN of HLS30U01955

The correct VIN was stamped in the usual 3 places on the car but it was registered with the U inserted in the same place as @Datsunbat.  The car went through 5-6 owners in Ontario and no one noticed, not even the M.O.T.  It was only when I sold the car to guy in California that the transport company noticed it.  They told me it had to be corrected before the car got to the border or it would be held in an impound lot until it was. I had to hire a certified appraiser to come and examine the car and send his documents to MOT before they would issue me new ownership papers.

 

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On 4/10/2017 at 1:22 PM, HS30-H said:

Kats,

I have an original set of prints from that sequence, and they came from Datsun Netherlands. Clearly a canal/kanaal in the background too.

Dutch and Portuguese licence plates look very similar.

These are Dutch  license plates of that period of time. A friend of mine has the letter fromRob Jansen to Nissan Japan about the stability.

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It may be a bit off topic, but on the note of "European versions" i just got this March 1977 Datsun dealer price list from Datsun switzerland, which includes prices for the 260Z (incl. 2+2) and others:
there is no currency, but i highly assume that it's swiss francs (CHF). I'm currently in touch with a few old nissan / Datsun dealerships and trying to obtain more 240Z specific documents and promotional material. allthoug most of it has been scrapped over the years.
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I Just found an old article from Automobilrevue May 1972, where they tested the "final version" 240Z.
Here seen with swiss (Zürich) number plates and all the spoilers, only one mirror, etc. I guess it was one of the first imported ones, used as a press and show-car from datsun switzerland.
You can also see it has the hatch without vents.
the original article from 1972 can be found in the historic database on zwischengas.ch and it has been re-released in the Automobilrevue issue March 2020 with these better pictures.
The article is full of praise about the car from japan and they thoroughly tested it with lots of data (various acceleration tests etc) listed in the original article.
Pictures with permission from Automobilrevue switzerland.
Original article can be purchased here (5. March 2020 issue): https://automobilrevue.ch/epaper/
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Can anybody tell me something about this car or where it was shown?? I found it in an Car related archive.
All information was that ithe picture shows a Datsun 240Z from 1971.

It looks like it was displayed at a booth at some car show, but honestly i have no clue where or when exactly.

To me it looks like a prototype car or something similar. I don't think this weird combination of parts ever made it into production
- It appears to be an early Euro spec car (LHD, no rear side markers, but additional blinkers in the front grille)
- No "Euro" front spoiler
- Fender mirrors
- Additional Lights (Blinkers?) on top of the Fenders (i think i've only seen a picture of those once, before)
- The "Datsun" sign in the back is a hint that it was shown at an export market show and not in Japan.

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Picture © www.zwischengas.com (All Automobil-Revue Catalogues can be checked out online on zwischengas.com)

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Here is another three Z's with the blanked under bumper turn indicators (and bumper mounted ones)  like the one above:

First two are in France, 3rd in Germany.

Bonus is a prototype in Japan (possibly a HP Prince I6? Interesting exhaust pipes 🙂 )

 

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@240260280: Maybe my post was a bit misleading. The blanked frond lower corner valances and the Top blinkers are not the question here - these were normal on european 240Z's and both my cars came with a similar setup.
I think the reason was that european cars had to have a minimum  mounting height of blinkers and those that where standard equipment for the non-european markets where too low - so they came up with this solution.

The big questions regarding my pictures are:
- The car shows an european spec car, but with fender mirrors. and it appears to be some kind of an official show car - which is strange. european cars never had the fender mirrors
- The car has some weird fender-top mount blinkers or indicators which never made it on any production cars as far as i know

So the overall question is what this special (prototype?) car was about and when / where it was shown in the picture?

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Here is a 240z in Brussels in Jan 1970.  It shows up again in London in October.

It has the fender mirrors and only 2 side markers.

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Here is 240z in Geneva in March 1970. No fender mirror and 4 side markers.

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Here is the same as the Brussels one above.

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This one is in Amsterdam in 1971 with rear spoiler and probably just 2 side markers. It would be nice to see what is going on with the fenders. It looks a lot like your photo and is the same year and continent  🙂

 

Note it has no rear bumperettes and the rubber wraps all the way around as @kats mentioned a while ago when we looked in detail at an early prototype.

 

I'll Hover around and see what I find.

 

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Thanks for the pictures.. It seems like it was one pre-production demo car that was shown around to the press and at the shows which had a few things that didn't make it into production...

Regarding the "brussels car" i've seen another picture of it and wanted to show it here as soon as the other topic is closed.
I think it has the door mirrors installed at where the japanese fender mirrors are. As far as i know the cars where shipped without themirrors installed (to prevent damage?) and the mirrors where then installed once they arrived at their destination country distributor. I could think that it was one of the first cars and the guys in belgium just installed the mirrors where the previously shown japanese cars had them on a mistake, since they're the mirrors that where most probalby thought to be door mirrors. but i might be wrong here. just guessing, since a knowledged elderly guy just recently told me the mirrors where not installed during shipment...

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10 hours ago, 240260280 said:

Those odd blinkers:

I can (as a Dutchie) tell some more about those odd things on the front bumper..

My first resto of a 240z was in 1991,  by then the cars were 20 years old and i could still get all the original parts at my local dealer,  after a while i was like a employee at the Nisssan dealer and could order all the parts i wanted myself on the microfiche system (remember computers were not used for the early car types.)

I bought then many new 240z parts also the front blinkers, they came in beautiful chrome, and.. are on my 240z till this day!

The reason for them was the Dutch RDW (sort of DMV) sayd in their regulations that blinkers on cars for the Dutch roads should have them on a sertain hight. The blinkers were standard under the bumper on a "regular"  240z and that was to low!

So my first Dutch 240z had them on the bumper for that reason.

As i then restored a 240z in 2000 the regulations were still the same and i had to change the blinkers of my USA model 240z to blinkers on the bumper..  Since about 10 years those rules are  made more liberal so the American cars no longer need the blinker mod.

 

Something else..   I got some rear lights from a car out of France, and...  they have no lights for reversing!  As we know a euro version has red white and orange lights/reflectors,  but this set out of France is only red and orange !!    Has any one  seen these before?  Are there more country's that have 'em?

Maybe it was an early version type i don't know, i only know i've never seen them!  (They came with a whole load of other parts i once bought from a Belgian guy and he had it from a Frenchman.)

Could not find a pic of them so these should do.. imagine the white part is also orange!  Thats what i got from France..

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A extra picture of a Dutch 240z with our famous soccer player Johan..

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Translation: Johan Cruyff: also fast on the road!

(It's a nice picture, just wanted to say i HATE soccer.. so i know the man but i really do not care..haha)

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