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I believe that's what they told you about them being progressive... But I would put my money on that being incorrect. I don't know if that will change your decision at all, but yea. 

That is counter to what I found during my research of them. 

http://www.zcar.com/forum/10-70-83-tech-discussion-forum/363090-stagg-shocks-struts-vogtland-lowering-springs.html#/topics/363090?page=1&_k=t2fop0

They talk about exact spring rates here.

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Hi Dave,


There is a Vogtland office in California.  I just called them and left a message to have them confirm if this specific 240Z spring is progressive.  I update my post once I hear back from them.

Address

VOGTLAND North America

43391 Business Park Dr. Suite C10
Temecula, CA 92590, USA
 

Contact

Phone: +1-951 694 6981
Fax: +1-951 694 6985
 
E-Mail: information@vogtland-na.com
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Some of the people that looked into these in past threads mentioned that their attempts to contact Vogtland ended with the Vogtland rep not knowing the part number. Presumably because they were a special order production batch for a small group which would make sense. Maybe by now with multiple runs they are more in the loop.

Anyway, I'm personally unaware of a way to make progressive springs with a uniform coil spacing, or at least a method that they are likely to use in production. (Varying the tempering at different heights in the coil spring for instance)  Springs like Eibach have a clear difference in spacing at different positions that demonstrate this. Vogtlands are uniform throughout. (and also pretty impossible to tell top from bottom, I don’t believe they have a correct orientation FYI.  Both ways fit pretty good in the spring seats when I installed them)

Again I don’t add this to defend my position or argue about it, just because I wouldn’t want you to desire progressives and not get them. Progressive or not I am happy with my set, so either way they are a good option. I have also not had any problems with the car not being level.

In fact, if you want to a new linear & slighted lowered (and stiffer than stock) spring I think these are one of the few lower cost options available.

Cheers

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Hi Dave,

Thanks again for your detailed reply.  I am not so concerned whether the springs are labeled as progressive.  My primary concern was that I was told most lowering springs that are not  progressive will give the car a harsh ride.  Based on your feedback on your ride experience I am going to go with ordering these springs.  I want to drop the height of my Z since I have 15" low profile tires on Konig Rewind wheels and the gap in the fenders is too large.

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May I ask what cars you would be comparing the ride to? Or if you are looking for a plush touring car ride?

My daily driver is a 2005 Subaru STI with stock suspension. Definitely a performance car ride, although nothing like an aftermarket setup. So compared to this the Datsun feels good and similarly sporty. 

My purpose for the springs was less about the lowering and more about ditching the saggy old springs while I was replacing a blown strut. While it did lower the car a little compared to what fresh stock springs may have been, it was far from slamming the car. 

So, a slightly firmer linear spring with a noticable but reasonable amount of lowering. 

Did you not want to get eibach springs? They seem to be the de facto progressive option. And I do believe in most cases people's issues with them are probably incorrect installation.

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Dave, I am not looking for a plush touring car ride.   This is my toy car so I want it to handle well and provide a reasonable ride but not rattle my teeth over bumps.   My daily driver is an Infiniti M35 S RWD which has somewhat of a sports suspension due to RWD but it is still a very comfortable car to commute to work in.   

I am not looking for the slammed tuner look with no gap between the fender and tires.  Simply want to drop the car about 1 to 1.5 inches to reduce the current wheel gap. Do the eibach lower the car more than these Vogtland's?

 

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I don't know frankly. I would imagine they are very near each other, neither being overly low. Neither stood out during my research as the lower option

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I decided on Vogtland also and received my 240Z springs last week. They definitely do not look progressive like Eibachs.

They do look a lot heavier spring than I thought. Have to wait now as its going to be April before its warm enough to install these.

The (VA) fronts are 12 coils and a free length of 12-1/2 inches. Rate 152 pounds.

The (HA) rears are 10 coils and a free length of 11-1/2 inches. Rate 170 pounds.

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I had the Eibach progressives on one of my 71's and they had a bit of a float/bounce on some bumps.  Plus the rear was lower than the front - yes they were properly installed - front on the front and rear on the rear.  I drove a friends Z with Vogtland springs and liked it.  I swapped for the Vogtlands.  The car sits level and the ride is stiff, but not near what my other Z is with the BRE springs.  I think you'll be happy with the Vogtland springs.

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I currently run the Eibachs, and I went from Tokico HP's to the Eibach pros. The Eibachs are progressive as stated, and the ride is softer than the Tokicos, but they are darn fine for a street spring.  They make getting up and over speed bumps a non scraping affair. They also allow a jack to be fitted with ease even under the spook.

 

Having said that, I though my car looked more aggressive with the Tokicos and since they are NLA I may look into a set of these Vogtlands sprnigs.  If they are made in Germany that makes them a cousin to Bilstien, which has to be good!

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On 3/7/2017 at 1:06 PM, Zedyone_kenobi said:

I currently run the Eibachs, and I went from Tokico HP's to the Eibach pros. The Eibachs are progressive as stated, and the ride is softer than the Tokicos, but they are darn fine for a street spring.  They make getting up and over speed bumps a non scraping affair. They also allow a jack to be fitted with ease even under the spook.

Hey Zed, with the Eibach Pro-kit springs, how much suspension travel do you have with your car on the ground?  What strut are you using?  Do you run a bump stop at the top of your struts?  I remember seeing pictures from other owners with the Pro-kit springs and a ES poly bump stop that they had only an inch or two of travel before the gland nut would hit the bump stop.  I am going back and forth on what to do with my Z regarding a suspension upgrade.

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Hey bud, Those are good questions. I will have to go look.  But I can give you some quick answers now.  I have only ever had tokiko strut inserts in my car. When I bought it they were their but badly worn, and I replaced them with new ones when I did my redo.  Previously I had tokiko springs and tokiko struts.  The car had even wheel gaps and rode very stiff. I had very little wheel movement if any and I was on bump stops almost constantly.  I felt every single bump in the road. I upgraded to fresh tokiko strut inserts and eibachs. I gained about an inch of ride height in the back and a bit over an inch in the front.  For the first time ever I could push on the four corners of my car and it would move downward.  I gained a LOT of compliance. Car handled mid corner bumps well without much fuss for the first time.  I cannot say if the fresh struts gave me this or the added ride height though.  But the car is a far better street car now.  I can put a jack under the spook with the ride height and I can drive on ramps without a 'preramp' to get up on them.

Bad news for you is if you wanted to go tokiko springs again they are not available as of March 20, 2017.  Your choices are Eibach Pros, or Vogtland for lowering springs.  I hear MSA will make a new batch of what they are calling MSA springs, but no word on when that will be available.

I do wish my wheel gaps were the same, but for the time being I am loving the compliance over bumps, ease of getting up and down driveways, and not scraping my exhaust. 

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Just FYI, good luck with asking Vogtland.... I called their factory or at least their main headquarters (which are in the vogtland area here in Germany btw) and they weren´t aware they are producing those springs.... I asked if I could buy directly from the factory and was told that they do not produce 280z springs at all  O_o

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