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I think that if the mods are done with good concepts, and most importantly, good effort to produce a QUALITY modification, that THAT would be more important than the mod itself.

If you're going to add a Hand Throttle to the stick shift,then don't just make it a piece of wire coming out of the center heater vent. A hand actuated brake is hopefully not a piece of chewed up 2x4 or an old cane. If those are the mods, then ANY judge would look at them askance, regardless of their justifiability for the driver's needs.

If on the other hand, you add a nice lever to the console and it is both a throttle and brake, and you incorporate it into the design of the car / console so that it "almost" looks OEM, you'd get praise for originality and creativity.

Isn't that why we watch shows such as "Monster Garage", "Overhauling", and others? They push the design envelope, and in doing so, they come up with ideas that others emulate / copy / modify.

Whether the modification is for a physical need, or for the uniqueness or added functionality of the mod, it should still be judged on the same basis. If it looks like crap....then it is crap. If it looks like it came out of the design studios of the dream car designers then it should be dealt with as such.

My 2¢

Enrique

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The only thing needed is to put a paddle switch for the turn signals on the right side, near the light/wipers switch. Sounds simple enough...

Thx for the supportive comment, Enrique, at first I thought "if it's not factory (for the stock class), you get points off..." which is the rule, but that means if you are not physically able to drive like most other people, "you can't have a show car and show it." I'll bet there's something in the A.D.A (Americans with Disabilities Act) that should prevent that kind of bias, but I'll have to go read it.

nwcubsman-

Joke? I don't understand. Can you elaborate on that?

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As Enrique said, Tom, I doubt the modifications would affect a judging. The other thing that comes to mind is the idea that judging is simply something to do at a car show. Not all shows are judged. Judging, really, adds to a car show but is not necessarily the reason for the show. You would never think of it as "Hey let's spend the day judging! Now go out and get a bunch of cars for us to look at while we are judging". In that, I would encourage everyone to worry less about judging and more about showing off your pride and joy.

Chris

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There should be no problems at the Friday night cruise, or the Sunday afternoon gimmick car show but we sometimes go to Z car shows with the local club.

I agree with you there, you shouldn't have any problems with the cruises, or the Sunday show, but at the Z car shows, stick to the categories that you know you could compete in .... competitively.

My 71 car is done well, it looks nice, I've spent a LOT of time and effort into it and there are many items that make it "period-correct". It's even won an award, and had favorable mentions at other shows. Yet, I wouldn't DARE compete in the Concours class.

Why? To a knowledgeable Z car judge, he'd stop judging after just a few items. There are items I've added or swapped that have made the car, like I said, Period Correct, i.e. it looks like it would have looked in the 70's, with all the "cool" mods for the period (and today) and it is DRIVEN as it stands today. The headlights aren't stock (Halo), the HCP is lit from behind (from a 73), there are courtesy lights in the foot well areas (never implemented by Datsun, but had the wiring), the seats recline (72+), Electronic Dizzy (78), Non-Braided hoses in the engine compartment (non-OEM), Doors don't sound tinny when closing (sound-deadened), Dash has an indent to the left of the Hazard Switch (72), and on and on.

What I'm getting at is that the car does NOT belong in a Concours show class. I don't take offense at that, my car is NOT original. Trying to pass it off as such would be ludicrous and insulting. The Concours IS a tough class to compete in, and that's why the judging is so strict. Watering the judging down due to considerations for any special consideration...... and ADA would be amongst them, would essentially eliminate that class from shows. Otherwise what would be the difference between my car and a Concours classic? Or put another way, would you want the Miss America pageant to allow drag-queens to compete?

But, in the Daily Driver catergories, or the Best Interior, Best Paint, Best Theme, etc, it shouldn't be penalized....other than as I mentioned earlier.

If the mod is hokey, then it shouldn't be ignored due to the physical needs of the driver, to do so would be, in my opinion, insulting to the driver. You would basically be asserting that they can't compete on the same level as the rest of the drivers and sloppy work should be condoned. Or should the standard be lowered for that individual ONLY and maintained high for everyone else? In either case you would be contradicting what most people with those needs would have you say.

But if you put a small sign on the right hand Turn Stalk that stated : "DMV required ADA modification", I think you'd get the point across. I don't know if that wording would suffice, so maybe use the wording from the lawbooks that would be used to give you a citation for NOT having that modification. Then it would read: "Right Hand Turn Signal modification IAW DMV Reg. 69 F".

But, in ALL modifications, I believe the standard should be held high. The quality should be admireable and have people / judges NODDING, and not shaking their heads. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of vehicles like those U.K. "chavs", or our famous "Ricers" or whatever those animé inspired vehicles from Japan are called.

FWIW

Enrique

P.S. nwcubsman's reply was also supportive, although his comment may have been lost by his using an older expression "F*** 'em if they can't take a joke!"

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...snip...

nwcubsman-

Joke? I don't understand. Can you elaborate on that?

Just a figure if speech. Nothing implied! I'm just not as eloquent:tapemouth as ES. I also don't type as well or fast.LOL If I'd responded after ES, I'd probably said "What he said". Either way doesn't add much substance, does it?

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I was just remembering something, Beandip has put a lot of time and effort into his car. It really looks sharp.

However, he had ONE hose that needed to remain disconnected and plugged. He found that a golf tee fit the bill perfectly....except that the color R E A L L Y clashed with the rest of the engine bay and car.

So NWCubsman gave him a BRIGHT YELLOW Tee which more closely matches his car's color.

Now, people look at the golf tee and grin, whereas before they shrugged!

FWIW

E

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NWCubsman-

I just don't understand what you mean by "if they can't take a joke"

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Enrique-

I agree with something like a Concourse car. It's for perfect cars in perfect-perfect condition. With my car, I try for Stock class, or DD class, depending on the mood. Even in DD class, is your car isn't perfectly shined, or perfect paint, chrome, glass, carpets, etc. you get points off. Apparently, for DD class you have to have a car with many many miles (and years) from driving, but the car should look like it has never been driven? Even with the allowances (which are very few) you lose points. I'd like to see the doo-dads on your car. Mine has a 'PiniFarina' emblem on the dash where it used to say "Datsun 280Z."

Emblem was off a 75 Fiat. :D

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Leave my bright yellow golf tee alone !! I am hoping the judges are golfers. Plus I signed it with the Sharks name , KEEP THAT A SECRET !:tapemouth In any case it a temp. mod :stupid: As for the Fiat emblem , I think that would be looked down upon . No different than a Fairlane script on the side insted of Datsun . :ermm:

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.... As for the Fiat emblem , I think that would be looked down upon . No different than a Fairlane script on the side insted of Datsun.
It's FROM a Fiat, it doesn't SAY Fiat. And like I said, it's inside on the dash where the old rectangular, plastic & chrome thing was.

NWCubsman-

I didn't think you were trying to be mean, I just don't understand why someone might think of a DMV mod as a joke?

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Tomohawk:

Re: NWCubsman's reply (and I hope I'm not stepping on him again) I vaguely recall a joke from years ago, where someone sent out invitations for a very exclusive and RICH party with "Black Dress Required" at the bottom. A newly rich couple, not wishing to stand out or offend, and NOT knowing what Black Dress Required meant, attended but BOTH of them wearing....Black Dresses (i.e. the man in drag). When they arrived at the party, to their chagrin they realized their mistake and were trying to make a quick exit. Their host realizing their embarrasing predicament, and being a good host, quickly ran to his wife's closet and also donned a black dress and returned to the party. Upon his entrance to the main room, there were gasps as he walked through the crowd and greeted the newly rich couple. The guest thanked the host and asked him why he had done such a thing in front of all of his friends...all rich and influential people. The host replied, "I'm the richest man here, and frankly.....f*** them if they can't take a joke."

Does that help explain? Or put another way, there's a French expression that says: "L'audace, toujours l'audace." That translates to "With Audacity, always with audacity."

With regards to the judging strictness in your neck of the woods, it might not be that they're intentionally looking for ways to exclude you, but rather that there are enough Daily Drivers in such EXCELLENT condition that .... sadly .... yours and others, being in almost excellent condition don't make the cut.

I think my car is a beautiful example, yet I can see some other examples that are even better than mine. Have I felt miffed at not winning a trophy or even an "also ran" type of mention....you bet. Especially when I felt that the class winners in those classes where I entered did not....BY MY VIEWPOINT...measure up to my car. But there's always another show, and another day to try.

Want to really, REALLY get miffed? Here in Vancouver there's a show they have where they block off Main Street for a few blocks and bring in the "Classics". The criteria is that the car be older than 25 years. It is sponsored by two or three local car clubs, predominantly American cars. That is, not a foreign import amongst them. I attended, and registered in the Daily Driver Import class. There were maybe half a dozen import cars there, and one VENDOR'S car. The vendor's car? A Lamborghini Countach (sp?). Now the Lambo was only driven to car shows....on a trailer, and an enclosed one at that. Guess what place it took in the ONLY Import class....the one I'd registered for. To add insult to injury, the second and third places? They went to a car .... in PRIMER with cracks in the windshield, and to a Porsche. The Primer car was owned by one of the members and officer of one of the clubs that sponsored the show, the Porsche? The wife of the Treasurer of one of the other clubs.

Needless to say, I've not returned to that show even to peruse what they bring in.

FWIW

Enrique

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...And like I said, it's inside on the dash where the old rectangular, plastic & chrome thing was.

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But here I have to concur with Beandip.

A Pininfarina emblem in a Z is simply out of place....regardless of how beautiful it may be.

What would you say to a Mercedes Radiator Cap Star instead of a Hood Emblem? Or a Rolls Royce Flying Liberty? or a Mack Truck Bulldog?

Do you see where it quickly begets the question....."Why?"

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Enrique

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So in your area, a Lambo or a Porsche in primer beat a Datsun with great paint. Must be the "Hi-dollar import" class.

I've gotten some very favorable comments on my Pininfarina emblem. It fits the indent on the dash perfectly, and I mounted right (with Velcro!) I might try to rechrome an OEM emblem if I find one, and swap them.

For Gary, I have a bolt plugging the hose for my cold-start injector. I did round-off the head tho, so it's not too obvious. I need a proper threaded plug for that.

I still work on my car. I polish the sill plates, vacuum the carpets, etc. FWIW, I was told ( by another competitor) that if I put the luggage straps over my full-size spare, I wouldn't have lost those points.

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I loved the Fairlane script on the fenders! Too funny! You guys are really having fun with this thread, aren't you all? Haven't you ever heard the expression "F-em if they can't take a joke", Tom? That one was clearly directed at the car show judges, not you!

Check out this radio antenna on a 1930 something Packard.

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The sporty styling of the Z goes well with a Pininfarina badge. One guy has even asked me if it really WAS built by them, and I confidently said, "Yup." and the guy believed me, by what he said after that. He mentioned it looks good and is (period correct). So I think I will keep it on there. Part joke, part looks, part ego...

Ferraris weren't the only cars Mr. Pinin and Mr. Farina built...

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After a few emails to a guy at the ZCCA, he seems to want to just go with the judging rules as written; i.e. stock class means absolutely how it came from the factory, or no mods- even those required by the DMV. This for the sanctioned ZCCA/national events.

Local car shows or judges can do things the way they want.

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After a few emails to a guy at the ZCCA, he seems to want to just go with the judging rules as written; i.e. stock class means absolutely how it came from the factory, or no mods- even those required by the DMV. This for the sanctioned ZCCA/national events.

Local car shows or judges can do things the way they want.

thx

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