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Different OEM exhaust manifold versions
Thanks - another (perhaps market specific ?) - the U98. Do you know which year (s) please ?
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26th-Z started following Different OEM exhaust manifold versions
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Different OEM exhaust manifold versions
I'm using a U-98 manifold which I bought in Australia. It has no emissions ports in the casting.
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Sean Dezart started following Different OEM exhaust manifold versions
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Different OEM exhaust manifold versions
The S30 parts constantly evolved over the years and not at set periods - Nissan introduced changes (sometimes improvements) asap in mid-year/production model runs. This also applies to the cast-iron exhaust manifolds and so far for the 240Z alone, I've noted the following cast numbers (visible under the ports 5 + 6 : U87 N42 N47 N33 E30 - this I know is the European version. Generally, I believe, the different parts denote different methods by which Nissan passed their cars through certain anti-pollution controls (?) however all appear to be of the same dimensions......except the 1973 (last) version before the introduction of the 260Z.. This manifold is longer towards the flange which is itself at a slightly different angle. This means that the 1973 downpipes were shorter than the previous AND post versions and I'm trying to foind one please. In the absence of the real part, I'd would like to at least know the casting code, please, on the 1973 OEM exhaust manifold ? Can you list here any other manifold casting numbers with their car model and year please ? Many thanks in advance.
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1973 Exhaust Downpipes?
Ok thanks but would you know the casting number on the OEM exhaust manifold please ?
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1973 Exhaust Downpipes?
Sorry...Downpipe sold.
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Z Story Contact
Yes, he did and on the same day you apologised - thankyou. The beauty of forums such as this compared to the social media is that information remains visible, unswamped by daily 'chaff' to refer to by new members. But that is a double-edged sword and without having the courtesy and rerspect to edit or delete your unfounded comments, they remain there in perpetuity and rare is it that anyone will scroll further down once having seen your post ! "If you haven't got money in deal I'd seriously think about MSA ceramic coated headers. I've got 6to1s on both my cars and very pleased after 10 years of running them with MSAs 2.5" aluminum, I think, to the back bumper. They have other configurations but I like the sound and backpressure of the the 6to1. It's loud but only if you chose. Stay out of it until you get away from neighbors and then who gives a flip. If the guy won't talk to you, it's not going to have a wonderful ending no matter what you pay him. Get out while you can." You suggested the cheapest mild-steel headers available on the market and have you really inspected the welding quality and the flange in particular ? A 6-1 header is not even conceived for the street but track and drag runs in order to dump as much exhaust gas as quickly as posisble.....even then Nissans' own race headers were always 2-1 and their S20 exhaust line a full twin-pipe system to the rear to improve torque for the 'little' 2.0ltr. And MSA's exhaust line in not made of aluminum lol but the same mild steel and heaven knows why they haven't proposed a resonator (not just for the noise and it IS loud) but for the engines' performance (google exhaust scavenging). You 'like' the backpressure ! Your exhaust system is totally de-restricted meaning you have an absolute minimum of restrictions to the exhaust gases with a paradoxal low exhaust-gas velocity, especially during street driving. This is losing you power, most likely between 10 and 20% - call it 15. On a stock L24 making 130 hp DIN max, adding your exhaust is in fact reducing your net power down to perhaps 110hp....it sound loud, it sounds fast but stick it on a dyno and weep ! You'd be much better off fitting MSAs 6-2 (Pacesetter), same exhaust line but having your exhaust shop fit a resonator just behind the transmission....costs a bit more but the benefits are real. That's where MSAs' technology stops and I was fitting them and also the twice-pipes kit back in the early '90s because it was all I could find...back in the day of catalogues and sending faxs to order ! :-) I chose to produce more expensive, I'll admit, but still more affordable than the parts available in Japan and still the only single stainless-steel pipe system that doesn't have an over-sized diameter (3" for a n/a engine - get outa here ! ) which are efficient for road and track use for different size engines and also with different characteristics (compression ratios, camshafts etc.....) and also different driving styles 'cos I don't believe one size fits all. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a14530205/what-is-exhaust-backpressure-and-why-is-it-bad-for-horsepower/ I'm not sure that you're best placed to advise anyone on exhaust choice. You told texasz to get out while you can cos it's not going to end well whatever he pays ! Perhaps you should ask him how it ended...........
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Z Story Contact
Hi - I read this : "Whatever you're writing in your messages must be something he's avoiding." 1) assumption without proof that I'm avoiding him 2) Insinuation that there is a sinister reason I'm avoiding him "must be'' Any reason he would be avoiding you? 3) Insinuation that there is a sinister reason I'm avoiding him reinforced Not a good look for him if there's no good reason. 4) Negative prediction and quite frankly pointless statement - I don't ignore anybody, who would ? Help, where ? Tagging me here wouldn't if I was avoiding him here.....which I wasn't ! Why DM a guy who doesn't respond to a customer's messages? I implied DM the enquirer, in this case texasz, with your opinions w/out facts rather than imply publicly what you did - that's not helping my business nor the potentiel customers' confidence - please think. Have a great day now - it's past ! :-)
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getting 1977 280z started
If you do get the engine running well, replace all of the old fuel lines on the rail and the injectors before too much driving. I smelled gasoline on mine one day while driving and when I opened the hood a tiny stream of gasoline shot by me on to the sidewalk. They dry out and crack lengthwise. The small stuff will eat up a lot of your time but it's worth it once you're done.
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getting 1977 280z started
Here is a way to test the function of the injectors separately from the ECU. With the ECU connector removed from the ECU, turn the key on. Then short the pins in the ECU connector from the injectors to ground with a quick tap. Each tap should produce a click frm the relevant injector. You'll need a quiet garage or a friend in the engine bay to hear them. Or a long wire.
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Yarb started following 1977 280z ignition/fuel system "neutronics"
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1977 280z ignition/fuel system "neutronics"
I believe he mentioned 10 plus years.
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getting 1977 280z started
That makes sense, I already testedt all the ECU pins and were reading correctly... The only thing left is the AFM which would also make sense why the injectors wouldnt firing. I tested each injector and they are functioning. I have stopped testing for the night because i broke a fuel line that was very old. will need to replace that before messing with the AFM. but i dont think im getting good signal from the AFM to the ecu. thank you for your help everyone.
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1977 280z ignition/fuel system "neutronics"
How long has it been sitting? What's the back story?
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getting 1977 280z started
I’ve mentioned it some many times in the past about replacing each and every connector on the EFI harness and cleaning each connection in that arena. You will be amazed at the corrosion that you find on each connector and the wire itself. I had to shorten some wire by over an inch before I could find wiring that was suitable to crimp/solder.
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getting 1977 280z started
The engine can run off puddled fuel in the intake manifold. If the injectors were opening the engine would continue to run. cgcheen's suggestion about testing with a 9 volt battery was a good one. You can run separate jumper wires if you don't have an EV1 connector. With a 9 volt alkaline battery you don't have to worry about melting wires if you accidentally short them. You'll hear a click when you connect the 9 volts, if they're opening. Also, with 9 volts you can leave the voltage connected while you tap them. You'll have the solenoid pulling them open if you can get them to break loose. Pin 1 at the ECU is the ignition signal that the ECU uses to monitor engine RPM. It's connected to the negative terminal of the coil. It should read battery voltage with the key on. But it also needs a certain type of voltage pulse. There are things that can screw it up. You're making great progress.
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getting 1977 280z started
I almost made a comment about AI. It's basically a better Google search. But that's about it.
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getting 1977 280z started
I am reading through the FSM and all the materials trying to track down what i can find. Using AI is extremely helpfull as it walkthrough alot of troubleshooting and ruling things out. Right now i believe ive rules out the fuel system, the injectors are all functioning and sensors because its stopping after a running for ~9 seconds regardless of its tempature, hot or cold. The last thing for the ECU troubleshooting is the Tachometer. I am getting a signal from the coil at the tach, but i dont know if the ECU is getting that signal. That would explain after the ignition start sequence it doesnt see any RPM and doesnt tell the injectors to fire causing the engine to stop quickly every time. I am trying to find a pin that the ECU would recieve this information but cant find one.
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getting 1977 280z started
I understand that, AI is a smorgasbord of articles massaged into one. He mentioned he was searching AI. The reason why I asked the question.
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getting 1977 280z started
Yarb, the 1980 EFI book is the official Nissan electrical troubleshooting manual. It's basically the FSMs stripped down to the bare essentials and combined in to easy to use charts and instructions.
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getting 1977 280z started
The most reliable source is the FSM that can be downloaded on this site
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1972 240z tachometer not reading nor working with MSD blast 2 coil. Any solutions?
So what do you recommend? Keeping the 1.5 ohms pertronix and 1.5 ballast resistor i the circuit?
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getting 1977 280z started
I'm reading through some stuff and looking at information the AI and it brough up the thermotime switch. it functions at start up for exactly the amount of time my engine stays working.
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getting 1977 280z started
Besides cgsheen1's suggestion, tapping on the injector bodies will often break them free. In your case though it might take a while to get all six free. The engine will run on three cylinders. Sounds like you don't have any injectors working.
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getting 1977 280z started
Are you saying that it still will not continue to run? That you have to do this trick over and over? That would make sense. Each "Start" squirts some fuel in to the intake manifold. The cold start system would be working corectly. Not a problem. Still sounds like your injectors are not opening. Pin 1.
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getting 1977 280z started
1980 EFI Bible.pdf