Everything posted by HS30-H
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L20 Block...N70 Head What the ???
Sorry to be AWOL while you were scratching your heads on this. I have been out working on a job that took me away from home for a couple of days. First of all, the "Tech." guys at Beaverton Nissan need to go and bone up on their history a little. I think they are getting confused with the "S20" ( the Twin Cam 2 litre six fitted to the 432 and 432-R, as well as the GT-R models of the C10 and C110 Skylines ). The "S20" is a whole engine type, and not just an engine block. The "L20" is an engine block as well as an engine type ( thanks for the confusion - Nissan ) and was fitted to a list of Japanese domestic model types and variants that would drop off the end of this page its so long. Anyway, the L20 block and "Y70" head combination is something of a nail I'm afraid ( sorry ). It was a fairly late incarnation of Low Emissions L-series sixes, and this one probably did not come from an S30 Z originally - its more likely to be a late-ish Skyline engine that has been modded to fit into the Z chassis. You quite often see this kind of "make do and mend" modification on unloved or run-on-a-budget cars in Japan. Depending on what model of Nissan it was originally fitted to, it would or would not need a Sump / Oil Pickup / Dipstick conversion for the Z chassis-fit. More bad news is that this engine is not particularly desirable, and has unusually thin and spindly Con-Rods that are prone to break ( eek! ). Taking the L20 Crank out and installing it in an L24 Block would make a good bore / stroke ratio that would rev to kingdom come if you could make it breathe properly and stop the valves from bouncing. I have seen and heard an L28 block / L20 Crank combination racing in Japan, and it sounded wonderful. Now there's a thought........... Sorry to give you what might seem bad news - but its better if you hear the truth before you start making plans for this engine. And just to nip this one in the bud before it gets set in stone; when talking about the S30-series Z, the L20 was offered on the very first Domestic incarnations of Fairlady Z and Fairlady Z-L. They came with the E30 head first. The Fairlady Z432 and Z432-R ( "PS30" and "PS30-SB" ) were also launched at the same time as the Z and Z-L ( late 1969 ) and were fitted with the S20 Twin Cam 2-litre. This creates lots of confusion outside Japan, as people talk about "Fairladies" as though they were just one model. You have to remember that Japan had a bigger choice of Z than everybody else got. In fact, by October 1971 you could buy six different variants of Z in Japan................ Carchaeology. Fun isn't it? Alan T.
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Lsd?
That was the short answer! And I can confirm - no "240Z" ( i.e. "HS30" or "HLS30" ) was ever fitted with an LSD as standard from the factory. They were however available right from the beginning as a Sports Option part. The only S30-series Z to get an LSD as standard was the Z432 ( "PS30" ) and of course its lightweight sister the Z432-R ( "PS30-SB" ) - but they in fact used the beefier R192 diff. which was kind of a superannuated R180. Personally speaking, the No.1 mod that I would perform on any S30-series Z would be to install an LSD ( with a "nice" ratio ) that had a relatively low breakaway setting. It will make the car understeer more, but to counteract this you can throw the car into corners and steer it on the throttle. Its not necessarily the fastest way around a corner, but it is certainly the most entertaining. Too high a breakaway setting makes the car handle like a race car on the street ( and that can be a real pain ). On the limit with no LSD, the nearside driving wheel will spin up and cornering traction is lost. You don't realise how bad this is until you try a Z with an LSD fitted. All those posts about "can a stock Z get rubber in second?" just prove that people have no idea what they are talking about. When you break traction on one wheel it does not count! Its when you break traction with both driving wheels that things start to get entertaining. Money spent on a good quality LSD unit is money well spent indeed........... Alan T.
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Triple Michunis...
Aw shucks Ross, you're such a flatterer..... As far as the Carbs to ECGI changeover goes - I can only tell you about the situation with the race cars. The swapover to Injection on the road cars ( and they did not use their own ECGI system ) is a mystery to me as it falls somewhere outside my area of interest - sorry. I tend to wear blinkers and only take notice of things that interest me ( selfish, isn't it? ). Mind you, I bet you any money that Nissan once again had no clearly defined switchover point from Carbs to Injection on the Z. They probably tried it in certain markets first and then gradually blended it in. I know that carburetted versions were being sold alongside Injected versions at one point in Japan, and this was possible because Japan always had several different models of Z to choose from on the Home market. Just about everybody else outside Japan got one particular model / spec. for their particular market. On the race cars, Nissan were also using the ECGI Injection on cars contemporaneously with Carburetted versions. They started out injecting their Sports racers ( like the evolutions of the R380 series and up; for example the GR12 was a bloody fantastic engine - big inch V12 with double overhead cams and whacking great injection trumpets ) and then they were injecting the S20 sixes in the GT-R before the Z even came out. Even "lowly" Sunnies got injected in race trim. The Z432-R racers sometimes got the ECGI and the 240ZR was used with both too. In most cases, the Injected cars went to the "Ace" drivers or were used on the cars where the most power was required. The Works Rally cars used them both on the "normal" L-series sixes as well as the LY "Crossflow" engines, with the first instances of injection being used in around late 1971. The Circuit racers had them a bit earlier. Sorry I can't help with the date for the introduction of Injection on the Aus market road cars. All the best, Alan T.
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Triple Michunis...
What's up dohc? The factory used the Mikunis on all their race cars unless otherwise fitted with the ECGI Fuel Injection. My interest only goes up to around 1975 ( or even 1976 with a little pinch of salt ) and then picks up again about 1989 / 1990 when I saw the Group A R32 Skylines racing in Japan ( wow....... ) - so I can't vouch for the gap in between, and it hardly matters anyway. There were a few honourable exceptions to the dross of the post "Oil Shock" period - notably the "Silhouette" series race cars, which were mad - but they were all injected anyway. Prince used some race engines that they married up with Weber carburettors - notably the GR8, and some of these survived the transition between the last days of Prince proper and when they were taken over by Nissan. The Prince Skyline S54 GT-B was fitted with 40DCOE Webers from the factory ( and was the precursor to the C10 series GT-R ). A few semi-Works / privateer teams used Webers on their Skyline and Z race cars - but the proper Works cars always had Mikunis. Like me, they probably thought the Dell'ortos were too ugly to love............... If ANY sidedraught carbs don't work right its probably the owner / fitter's fault. If they go out of tune ( after having been IN tune ) then its probably down to having a crap linkage. These things don't change their settings on their own. Happy twiddling, Alan T.
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Triple Michunis...
I have used both 40 and 44PHH Mikunis, as well as both 40 and 45 DCOE Webers on the L-series sixes. The Mikunis need a bit more educated fiddling to get the "transition" right on each particular engine ( thats the transition between the Accelerator Pump circuit and the Main circuit ) - as each engine is going to have individual characteristics based on compression, valve size, cam etc. The accelerator pump stroke is adjustable - but most people just bolt them on and expect them to work perfectly.......... Nissan would not have offered them as a Sports Option part if they did not think that they were any good. They also fitted them to the Works circuit race and Rally cars when carburettors were used - all the others had the ECGI Fuel Injection systems. All of these types of sidedraught carburettors ( Weber, Mikuni, Dell'orto, SK, etc etc ) are totally tuneable for each individual application. If they don't work right, its down to the person who fitted them either cutting corners on jetting and venturi sizes, or not having enough experience to know what is needed. In the carburettor beauty contest, the Dell'orto has to come out as the Miss Piggy of the bunch. Sorry, but that is one ugly carburettor............... Alan T.
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What donor cars can I get an R200 from?
Hi FinalAngel, I quite often see posts like yours, and I could not resist answering. As you are in the USA, you will probably need to look for an R200 from a later Z model ( the Z31 series would probably be the best bet ) and like 2Many said, you will then have the problem of needing to match up the output shafts with the stub axles already on your car. What you need to do is pop out the output shafts on the newly-sourced R200 ( presuming it has the CV-joint type of output shaft flanges ) - they are just a push fit with a spring circlip into the main body of the housing - and pop in a pair of earlier ones from a non CV-joint type output-shaft R200. Its a straight swap. If you have an RLS30 "260Z" then I am wondering what diff. is already installed. Have you checked? Are you sure you don't already have an R200 installed? If you only have an R180 in the car, then you will also need a rear crossmember ( "moustache bar" ) from an R200-equipped RLS30 body ( try looking under some 2+2's ) which would also be a good source for the output shafts you need. It surprises me that people seem to look around for information on diffs without talking about ratios. Surely it must be a matter that you want to think about? They did not all have the same ratios you know. If you were in any other territory than the USA, then you could have a bit of happy hunting looking underneath about twenty other models of Nissan apart from the Zs that were R200-equipped from the factory. Bad luck. What's this engine that's going to have "minimum 300" horsepower? I presume you are not talking about the L-series six that the Nissan God intended!? And personally I think that the NISMO LSD being auctioned on e-bay by Courtesy Nissan would still be a good deal even if it does go above $600. That retail price of $750 is a USA-market adjusted price ( they adjust them DOWN just for you ) and they are much more expensive than that in Japan! Why don't people want to pay for quality? Alan T.
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240ZG Flares
Hi Graeme, EVA actually made the "closest" to the genuine Factory G-Nose parts, in that they were I think officially-sanctioned to make them after the supply of genuine parts ran out. Nissan Japan had the originals made by an outside supplier ( actually a furniture making company, would you believe ) and once the supply of stock had dried up they did not bother getting any more made. Once people with ZGs started to bump into things ( and hence need new nose parts ) they farmed some business out to companies like EVA. There are some genuine factory-built Fairlady ZGs ( HS30-H ) in Japan that actually have EVA parts on them as a result.......... You can still order the genuine factory hinges from Nissan if you really want a genuine set. I can dig out the part number if you want? Good luck with your SP310. Sounds like things are pretty busy down there! Alan T.
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New Camcover and Airbox
Hi Gav, Sorry for the late reply. I only just found your comment......... Sorry, no bonnet-hinge photos on file. I shall try to remember to take some for you. They just make the bonnet swing up differently. The airbox IS and aftermarket thing, but so are a lot of other things on the car too - so its a question of where to stop. Its actually a race airbox for an S20 engine turned upside down - so its kind of in period and in the family. The list of non "original" parts on the car would fill a couple of pages ( although the body is exactly as it left the factory ) but I DO try to keep it all "in period" ( early 70's ) or Factory Sports Option parts-related. Cheers, Alan.
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New Camcover and Airbox
We already had it last Monday......... Seriously though, I drive it in all weathers and I'm not too worried about stone chips ( you can't see them in these photos but they are there alright ). Cheers, Alan.
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New Camcover and Airbox
Hi Roger! Sorry for the late reply ( I don't come into this corner very often.... ). Hard to say what you could use on the standard Hitachis. I have seen all manner of things on them and nothing looks all that happy. Frankly the standard orange airbox / filter looks pretty good to me ( in a kind of nostalgic way ). Alan.
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New Airbox and Camcover
Hi Jeff, It runs down to the chassis rail where I have a little catch can / oil separator. Did you deduct me one of the stars for that?! Alan.
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240ZG Flares
Hi Mr C, I think I have a small write-up with my car photos on the Members cars area, and as far as I remember it tells the story of my car ( or did I do that somewhere else? - can't remember... getting old. ). Anyway, I did not bring it in from Japan myself ( that's the question that everyone asks me ) and I bought it from a guy who spent an absolute fortune on it after buying it as a running resto project. Since then I've spent an awful lot of time, effort and yes money on it - but most people can hardly see what I've been up to. Oh well. I have another car thats a long-term project ( don't really want to finish it, or I'll have to start something else ) which is a Z432-R replica ( complete with S20 "Twink" ) based on a mid 1970 Fairlady S30 shell. Its the proverbial Frankenstein car at the moment - parts are everywhere. Importing parts from Japan is like going to the dentist. It hurts and it costs you money. Despite the "close" proximity to Australia ( well, its closer that the USA and UK ) I think you will find that the retail cost in Japan of most items will leave your eyes watering and wondering why the Australian Dollar is so weedy against the mighty Yen. Don't menton G****z!! 2many, I don't know which fender flares you are talking about as I do not have the link - so I can't comment, sorry. Alan T.
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Weights
Oh no, not that old chestnut! The Prince Motor Co. licensed some Mercedes-patented engine design elements during the mid Sixties. That's where that story comes from. Nissan took over Prince ( one of the BEST car-making companies in Japan - ever ) when they got into financial difficulties, and naturally the Prince staff who joined Nissan took all their expertise with them. Sad to hear people still mentioning the word "copy" in reference to this kind of matter. In truth, very little blatant copying went on - but a lot of genuinely agreed and paid-for licensing went on. Its a shame that the Japanese got a rep. for "copying" rather than "licensing". One is theft, the other is business.............. Keep it out of the trees on that Rally, Mike! That reminds me - I have some gas suspension info. for you, and I will post on it over the weekend. Alan T.
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240ZG Flares
Those pics are of Les Cannaday's car, aren't they? I don't know if he got some "genuine" Overfenders and moulded a set off them, or the ones on his car are the real thing. Whatever, they look just about as close as you are going to get to the ZG Overfenders - I don't think anybody does anything better. I have seen them in Carbon Fibre in Japan, which looks a bit too modern for my tastes. Les Cannaday either works for or owns CLASSIC DATSUN MOTORSPORTS ( http://classicdatsun.com ), and they sell these ZG type Ovefenders there. You won't find them any cheaper in Japan, and the shipping / Duty is going to be more expensive too. Rick, if you want to use some for racing you will possibly be needing something even wider - like the "Works" versions. I will send you a PM about this later today. Please look out for it. All the best, Alan T.
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Only $AUD 295,000.00
Thanks for the encouragement, but; No one would publish it ( unless I paid for it myself - "vanity publishing" style ). No one would buy it ( not interested - 'nuff said ). Goertz would sue me ( bet he can afford better lawyers than me ). Nissan would probably not want to get involved ( typical ). Matsuo would get even more embarrassed ( poor bloke ). All the non-Japanese "Z experts" would either sit on the fence and wait to see what happened, or support Goertz because they read in a book somewhere that Goertz designed the car.......... See what I / anybody would be up against? Nah, Nissan should do it and do it hard. They have the balls to credit Matsuo in Japanese press / media, but they won't pass the story on to their foreign PR depts. This makes it look even worse for them, as everybody outside Japan just thinks it looks like they are accepting what Goertz says!........... Nissan have been total dumwits about the whole thing from the word go. They should have come down hard on Goertz's claims when he actually first made them. Almost too late now. Anyway, I'm still waiting for the definitive S30-series Z book - and I reckon it ought to come from Japan. Still waiting....... Alan T.
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240ZG Flares
Graeme, You're probably going to have to tell these two guys where you are thinking of getting yours from. You said that there are "several companies" that offer the flares - but I presume that you mean they are outside Japan. The suppliers that I know are all in Japan, and the retail cost ( let alone the cost of shipping ) is quite often enough to put prospective purchasers off. Also, there's a big difference between the ZG type Overfenders and the Works Type A and Type B................ What version are you after, gentlemen? Alan T.
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Only $AUD 295,000.00
Rolf, Whenever I see Goertz linked to the S30-series Z ( why does everyone talk about JUST one model of that series? ) I will squawk. Poor old Matsuo and his team deserve to have someone at least trying to set the story straight. I realise its an impossible task, but I don't care. Alan T.
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240ZG Flares
Here's a pic. of a Works ( SCCN ) 432R with the slightly wider Overfenders than the ZG type. Notice the little "lip" on the outer edge - the ZG Factory type do not have this. They got even wider on the aerodynamic cars that came just after this. Alan T.
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240ZG Flares
Hi Graeme, The original Factory flares ( as fitted to the ZG ) were really rather dainty things, and were attached to the body with large aluminium "pop" type rivets. On the ZG, they were largely cosmetic and only intended to allow the Homologation for race use of even wider "Overfenders" on the Factory race cars. These were called the "Works" overfenders in Japan, and came in "Type A" and "Type B" versions - depending on what the rest of the body consisted of. These had a bigger base radius and were naturally wider than the ZG overfenders. If you put a set of the ZG type Overfenders on an S30-bodied Z, you will find that it does nothing to cure the problem of interference of the original wheel-arch lip with the tyre. What they did in Japan ( and quite brutally on the Works race cars ) was to cut out and re-weld most of the metal underneath the Overfenders - especially at the back. Many people are reluctant to do this, quite naturally! However, if your wheel / tyre combo does not interfere with the original sheetmetal, then you have no problem. They just won't "fill up" the Overfenders. I have a spare set of Overfenders for my car, and these were moulded off a set of factory originals. There is not much to them, and they just have the flat areas where you drill through and into the body and poke your pop-rivet into the virgin sheetmetal. I have the Factory race department instructions for fixing them on around here somewhere - if you are interested. I would be cautious about aftermarket overfenders, especially if it is the Factory-spec. ZG type that you are after. I know a couple of good suppliers in Japan, but I can't vouch for any product from elsewhere. They might not be quite "right". Only you can judge what you are expecting. The big question is what you want to do about cutting those original arches away? Good luck, Alan T.
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Only $AUD 295,000.00
Hi Rolf, I've seen that statement published in a few books, and I have to say that its one of the main reasons why Goertz can continue to claim his input on the S30-series Z. Nissan really messed up when they wrote that. They could have nipped the story in the bud right there if they had have had a backbone in their corporate body. That project that they were working on was codenamed the "A550X", and this was what Yamaha took to Toyota. However, Goertz does not seem to want any credit for it.............. This whole matter blew up when Goertz passed comments on the S130 to a motoring magazine, and that's when Nissan retorted that Goertz had "nothing to do with" the original Z. Goertz threatened to sue, and Nissan chickened out with this "statement"...................... Goertz himself is quoted as saying "They designed the car, but I showed them how". I'll requote his quote; "They designed the car........." Goertz helped out on the CSP311 Silvia Coupe and the A550X sportscar project. He was NOT THERE when they ramped up design work on the project that became the S30-series Z. You can't even say that he "styled" the car, let alone "design" it....... Has anybody at Nissan ever said that Goertz "designed" the car? As far as I know, it was only ever Goertz who claimed this - and you certainly will not see him connected to the car by Nissan in any historical matter to do with the car. Has Goertz ever mentioned Matsuo and his team? ( not as far as I know ). At the very least, Goertz would have done himself a great favour if he had acknowledged the existence of Matsuo and his team when he made those remarks at the launch of the S130 series cars. To simply sit back and soak up the plaudits is morally wrong, and the man must know that. That statement from Nissan was a fudge, and if I were Matsuo I would have been greatly upset that the company did not defend him more robustly. No wonder he left the company. Goertz is very litigious, and he might threaten to sue if Nissan ever denies his involvement again. It might be a good time for Nissan to take him on once and for all, and protect the honour of the sword of truth. For some reason, people seem to WANT Goertz to have "designed" the car. I have no idea why, except to imagine that it must be that they want to put a "face" with some other history that they can identify to the legend of a good car........... Alan T.
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kph in a 240Z?
All European markets other than UK had Kph speedos, as did the Japanese "Home" market. There are several different models of speedo in the Kph series ( some of them go to higher speeds than others ) depending on what model they were fitted to. Alan T.
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Only $AUD 295,000.00
Whoa, Rolf! That's a bit strong. What exactly were they "copying" that was different to everyone else? This is one of those annoying reputations that get assigned to whole nations and societies ( like "Germans have no sense of humour", "Belgians are boring" and "French people do not like taking baths"........... ). Its rubbish, and its based on a few historical instances and a whole lot of xenophobia. In the early part of the Twentieth Century, Japan was trying to catch up with the rest of the industrialised world. They had been left behind, but wanted to become a world power - and their governments of the time became more and more under the control of the military. Ultimately, this led to the invasion of Manchuria and their expansion in the Far East - which came to an end in 1945 as we all know. From 1945, Japan had a VERY hard time to rebuild its society and to put right all the wrongs of the first part of their Twentieth Century. Under the control of the USA for many years, they gradually built their country back up into a booming industrial powerhouse - manufacturing anything and everything. With the rapid growth, many corners needed to be cut to keep up - so many components were simply "licensed" from abroad, allowing them to get on and use the trusted and proved designs and save time on the project. Hence their world-leading turnout of new models in the automotive industry during the Sixties and Seventies. This "licensing" was a double-edged sword for them; it allowed them to save time and use parts or systems that they knew would work, but they were also accused of "copying". I have heard the S.U. design of carburettors on the S30 Z ( legally licensed by Hitachi, who paid a big royalty to S.U. ) described as "S.U. copies". This is nonsense, and is a good example of the way that people tend to think of the Japanese. The people who say these things usually do not know what the origin of the very things around them was, and if we had a world where designs were not licensed, plagiarised or had any influence on anybody designing something new, then the world would be a very strange place indeed. The United Kingdom was in a very similar position to Japan after the Second World War ( despite being on the supposedly "winning" side ) and so was Germany. When I think back to the products of the immediate post-war period and on into the Sixties and Seventies, I can think of many instances where designs were plagiarised or influenced by the successful products of other manufacturers or other nations. Its something that we all did - but Japan gets the bad reputation. Thats not fair. Sure, there are many places in the world where real copying goes on ( in fact, you can call it "Pirating" now ). At the moment Turkey is the biggest source of "fake" automotive replacement parts ( especially for Mercedes Benz parts ) which are certainly NOT licensed or endorsed by MB. This is because Turkey is a country in crisis, and is trying to grow out of it. This is exactly what happened in the Western world and the East in the immediate Post-War era. Everyone was at it. Alan T.
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Weights
Thanks Mike and Ben, but I've been put on a diet now ( eek! ) and scones are definitely off the menu. Mike, your question about the L20 six has pretty much been answered in the above post by Ben. However, there were a few other versions too ( how about the L14 four, or the L-series fire-pump ! ) and they were fitted in absolutely SHEDLOADS of models - lots of which were never even seen outside the Japanese market. As far as Z engines go though, the sixes are all they ever had - but there was good interchange amongst all the parts, allowing the aftermarket and home-based tuners to try all manner of swaps to come up with super-revvy short-strokers ( L24 / L26 bore with L20 crank ) right through to stump-pulling tank torquers ( L24 / L26 / L28 bore with LD28 crank ). This interchange was always helped by the big "family" of pistons and different rod lengths, allowing canny tuners to get the right piston / rod combo from the L-series four or six parts bin. Made life fun for "we who can't leave 'em be". You might hear that the L-series "Fours" were designed first, and that when the Z came along they "added two extra cylinders" to make the sixes - which of course is nonsense. I have certainly seen this kind of statement in the UK motoring press many times, and they only said it because in 1970 they had hardly clapped eyes on an L-series six, but had seen the fours on "lesser" Nissan imports. Truth is that the engines were virtually contemporary in release, and were on the drawing board at the same time. They just got released in four-banger form first. The sixes were used in all manner of weird and wonderful Home-market cars, but the stringent Japanese taxation laws of the period made it much more expensive to go over the magic 2 litre mark - hence the wealth of 2 litre models making a kind of "glass ceiling" until late 1971 when they finally thought that their Home market customers might think going up into a higher taxation bracket would be an acceptable trade-off for the extra power and torque. The "sister" car to the S30 Z - the C10 Skyline - was fitted with even more different types of L-series engines than the Z. In fact the Skyline got the L20 and even the L24 before the Z, as well as the S20 twin cam ( but thats another story! )........ In my opinion, the L-series fours and sixes were ( and are ) some of the world's best engines. I have had many types and models of cars, but these L-series anchors are long-lived, durable, eminently tuneable and very flexible. Trouble is, they are a bit on the heavy side!............. Alan T. ps: Mike - thanks for the kind words. A bit of encouragement is always appreciated.
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Only $AUD 295,000.00
Matsuo was ( and is ) his own man, and he most certainly did NOT draw anything for Goertz. Its very sad that it seems so difficult to persuade people that Goertz did very little that came out on the final designs for the S30-Z. There are many areas of the design of the S30-series Z that were influenced by the work of Zagato, Pininfarina and even Drogo ( amongst others ) - but do they deserve credit for it - NO! Everybody who designs or styles something will be influenced by what they have seen and learned, and the Japanese culture has for centuries taught the philosophy of copying the teacher until you are good enough to sign your own name on what you make. Goertz has taken advantage of the gap that this left. Who knew about Matsuo or any other of his team until recently? Probably the most prominent figure on the story of the S30-series up until now 9 especially in the USA ) has been Mr Yutaka Katayama. A man to be admired and a true visionary, but certainly not the average Japanese corporate "man in grey", and ( not necessarily in a bad way ) a tireless self-publicist. Katayama himself credits Matsuo with the design, and counts Matsuo as a great friend. Katayama does not agree that Goertz can claim anything to do with the design. What are we supposed to conclude from that? Well, the story you often hear is something along the lines of "well they would say that, wouldn't they?". But when its the truth, its not necessary for them to have to prove otherwise. Its up to Goertz to PROVE he drew it. Where are his designs and blueprints? As a freelancer, he would have kept his own copies. Where are they, then? This is one of those Emperor's New Clothes type situations where everybody is just falling into line with what they have been told. Show me a drawing or blueprint for the design of the car from before Goertz stopped working with them ( late 1964? ). How can Goertz prove what he did on the project. If you read what he says on the matter in past interviews, he fudges it virtually every time. He wants credit for the design, but he never actually says that it is his. Has anybody seen him quoted as saying he was fully responsible? That project that he worked on - later taken to Toyota / Yamaha -was what became the 2000GT, but he does not want anything to do with it. How then can he claim any involvement in the final design process ( from 1964 to 1969 ) of the S30-series Z? Generally speaking, does anybody outside Japan know who actually designed all the other Japanese cars of the same period? Were the staff at Nissan and Prince all so inept that they could not design anything without outside help? NO - what they needed at the time was some input from somebody who had knowledge of the most up to date design room practices ( especially with regard to full-size clays ). Nissan employed other "Design Houses" ( notably Italian ) to help them with previous and subsequent models ( as did many other manufacturers, lest we forget ) but surely nobody thinks that a bit of freelance consultation and a few visits to the Factory constitutes enough input for Goertz to claim the design???? Don't forget that Goertz stopped working with Nissan some years before the S30-series Z was even on the design board. He was closely involved in the CSP311 Silvia Coupe ( but did not claim credit ) and the design has been credited elsewhere. That car was finished while Goertz was still a freelance consultant to Nissan, but he still did not want anything to do with it. Goertz seems only interested in cars that are judged a success. Like I've said before and will say again, Goertz should not be claiming this car as his, and the credit should have been given to the team who actually created it. This whole subject always looks totally biased against the Japanese - even to the point of implying that they were of inferior intelligence or capability. There has always been the "they copied this......" comment ( when in many cases they quite legally licensed designs in order to save time and effort in developing their own products which would end up very similar anyway ). Sometimes in the past I have seen and heard comments that verge on racism, and this is despicable. I will always stand up for the unsung heroes, and I hate to see an impostor exaggerate or inflate his importance when someone else deserves the credit that they are due. Alan T.