cam gear wont go bak on!

[z_boi]

Help me out guys! Im not to experience wit workin on engines. But i atempted to try and adjust my timing chain. :stupid: Now That i got it off, I cant get the cam gear to go bak on. It wont reach. I tried pulling up on it but it wasnt e nuff. Did i do someting rong or what? I need help guys!

[ZmeFly]

you may have to pull the front cover.

if you didnt keep tension on the chain

[Zs-ondabrain]

if it's an L-series (L-24/L-26/L-28)

there is a tensioner in the lower front of the motor

if you let up at all on the chain, the tensioner may have come out a little, or worse- it came out all the way.

if so...... you'll have to pull the front cover and fix that b4 any thing else.

[Zs-ondabrain]

man, zmefly, your fast im impressed

but then again my typing sucks

[Bambikiller240]

Did you stick a block of wood down the Timing case in between the loop of chain to keep the tensioner located properly? If not you will be removing the Timing cover to get it back together.

If you DID manage to keep the tensioner where it belongs, the gear *should* be able to be put back on the nose of the cam. It can be tough as there is meant to be VERY little slack in the chain, for obvious reasons.

Let us know a bit more of how you have disassembled this part of your engine. Were you following the information in a shop manual, or flying blind when you did this?

[z_boi]

i had a chiltons book. I didnt tell me anything like that. And when i took the gear off, i didnt notice there was a washer in front, so it fell down near the bottom, I think thats when i let off on the chain. Man!. This suks!I was able to hook the washer bak up, and now realize it was pointless because i have to pull the cover. Guess i gotta take everything off tomorro.

[Zs-ondabrain]

I think I speak for every one when I say " been there, done that, sorry you have to go through it yourself"

Its not really that hard but it is labor intensive, just pay attension to the obvious and don't forget about the timing and oil pump ( ya it sucks but we have confidence in you).

good luck and happy driving, just smile in the knowledge that you did it yourself and didn't pay someone else to do it......

Dave.

[Ed]

Make sure when you put it all back together that you have the timing set correctly. This includes crankshaft, cam and the distributor shaft.

[Mr Camouflage]

Originally posted by Ed

Make sure when you put it all back together that you have the timing set correctly. This includes crankshaft, cam and the distributor shaft.

Yes. bent valves would be bad. mmmm'k.

[z_boi]

Hey guys! I jus got everything bak together. My timing was off and b4 i never did ne ting to the motor b4 this. the couldnt be adjusted to the correct timing. Now its correct and idles fine. But when i test drove it. it sound like a wrx wit an aftermarket exhaust. It runs rough. I check the fire order, its fine, checked the wires , thats fine. The plugs were fine when i put it bak in. I checked the cam timing mark. and it seemed like it was in the correct place. Right of the oblong groove. Any body know wat i did rong? I had the crank at tdc 0 degrees when i put everything bak together.

[z_boi]

My friend kept sayin it sounded like i had a v8, anybody know?

[z_boi]

Ok, I tried to find out wat was rong today. Adjusted the cams again. Then it wouldnt start anymore. I check the dizzy, the rotor was in the rong place, i adjusted that, and still no luck. I really need help guys! anyone?

[Brett240]

whoa this sounds like a bit of a nightmare,

when you took the oil pump out did you put it back 100% on the right timing? one tooth out and the thing will either idle like a dog or wont start at all.

[Ed]

Start by making sure your distruibutor drive timing is correct.

1. Remove valve cover.

2. Remove plugs.

3. Remove cap&rotor.

4. Turn crankshaft until timing mark on crankshaft pulley lines up with 0 degree timing mark.

5. Using a flashlight look inside # 1 cylinder and make sure the piston is at Top Dead Center.

6. Now pay attention to the camshaft. Make sure that the # 1 valve lobes are both pointed up so that the intake and the exhaust valves are closed. If not then rotate the crankshaft 360 degrees.

From here check to make sure your "dizzy" (rotor) is pointed in the right direction. From the drivers side (in the U.S.) looking at the motor. If the front of the car is 9 o'clock and the passenger front wheel is 12 o'clock then the dizzy should point halfway between 11 and 12 o'clock. (Not 100 percent on that correct me if I need it guys).

With the wide side on the left.

[Brett240]

"If the front of the car is 9 o'clock and the passenger front wheel is 12 o'clock then the dizzy should point halfway between 11 and 12 o'clock. (Not 100 percent on that correct me if I need it guys). "

This bit is Absolutley crucial. i have a book at home that has a picture of where this should be at TDC. if someone doesnt beat me to it ill post overnight.

[Zedrally]

Originally posted by Brett240

This bit is Absolutley crucial. i have a book at home that has a picture of where this should be at TDC. if someone doesnt beat me to it ill post overnight.

Absolutely critical.

Do yourself a favour and get a Factory Service Manual.

It will pay back it's purchase price many times over in the future.

[Mr Camouflage]

Originally posted by Brett240

"If the front of the car is 9 o'clock and the passenger front wheel is 12 o'clock then the dizzy should point halfway between 11 and 12 o'clock. "

Is that Eastern Standard Time with, or without daylight savings, or Western Standard time?

[z_boi]

the rotor is pointed a 9 o'clock from the driver side lined up wit the #1 wire. when the crank pully is at tdc, the #1 piston is at the top. The cam gear is placed in the second hole and the timing mark is right of the oblong grove as it should be. Both exhaust and intake lobes on #1 is pointed twards the top. It sound like it wants to start up, but jus doesnt. Could it be fuel?

It started yesterday, idled fine but revved funny. It sounded like wrx. I didnt start it up this moring when i checked the cams and found it off. then after i corrected it, I tried to start it, it started up for a quick second, and jus died. after that, it jus wouldnt start.

[Bambikiller240]

Originally posted by z_boi

the rotor is pointed a 9 o'clock from the driver side lined up wit the #1 wire. when the crank pully is at tdc, the #1 piston is at the top. The cam gear is placed in the second hole and the timing mark is right of the oblong grove as it should be. Both exhaust and intake lobes on #1 is pointed twards the top. It sound like it wants to start up, but jus doesnt. Could it be fuel?

It started yesterday, idled fine but revved funny. It sounded like wrx. I didnt start it up this moring when i checked the cams and found it off. then after i corrected it, I tried to start it, it started up for a quick second, and jus died. after that, it jus wouldnt start.

Sounds like you have the spark plug wiring wrong. #1 spark plug position is at 8PM on my distributor. May also have the distributor driveshaft installed off by a tooth.

I agree with the person who reccomended that you get a FACTORY Service manual. Chiltons (I think you said that's what you have) is not a very good manual for these cars.

[Ed]

Originally posted by BambiKiller240

Sounds like you have the spark plug wiring wrong. #1 spark plug position is at 8PM on my distributor. May also have the distributor driveshaft installed off by a tooth.

I agree with the person who reccomended that you get a FACTORY Service manual. Chiltons (I think you said that's what you have) is not a very good manual for these cars.

DITTO!!!

[z_boi]

im lookin from driver side, not front of the car. If i were lookin from the front, it would be at 8 0'clock

And now that i tink about it, its not a 9 o'clock from driver side, its at about 10 o'clock

And yes, I've realized that chilton manuals suk! hahah

[Bambikiller240]

Originally posted by z_boi

im lookin from driver side, not front of the car. If i were lookin from the front, it would be at 8 0'clock

And now that i tink about it, its not a 9 o'clock from driver side, its at about 10 o'clock

And yes, I've realized that chilton manuals suk! hahah

Looking from the drivers side of the car, the #1 position on the distributor is at 8:00. If the rotor is poointing anywhere else (and it certainly sounds like it is) SOMETHING is wrong.

Step one is to make sure that the timeing marker on the front cover is pointing to the deepest notch on the crankshaft pulley., and make sure the two cam lobes for the #1 cylinder are pointing UP, then look at the distributor. The Rotor should be pointing at 8:00. That is the way it SHOULD be.

Get that manual!!!

[z_boi]

thats how everything was when i last checked.

where can i get the book?

[Bambikiller240]

Originally posted by z_boi

thats how everything was when i last checked.

where can i get the book?

Your post said you were looking FROM THE FRONT and it was at 8 oclock. That, would make the rotor in the wrong place.

FSM available on CD from Courtesy Nissan

[z_boi]

lookin at the front twards the back, the # one wire is at about between 6 and 7. lookin from the driver side twards the passenger, its about between 9 and 10. so this is wrong?

when i said 8:00 it was jus thinkin from wat i remember. i just went outside to look at it, and this is wat i saw.