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B&m racing (transmission/shifter people) has a program where they borrow your car for a while to develop a shiter to fit your model.

People in the in the Los Angeles, Ventura, or Orange County areas, should call them and tell them to put the S30 model on the "To-Do list."

An aftermarket replacement manual shifter wold be nice, but I'd like to see an H-gate (4 spd pattern) shifter for the auto trans people! Since the S30 is THE MOST POPULAR SPORTS CAR IN THE U.S., they should design an auto trans shifter. They had one in the late 80s, so why not redesign it for modern cars??

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[quote name= but I'd like to see an H-gate (4 spd pattern) shifter for the auto trans people! Since the S30 is THE MOST POPULAR SPORTS CAR IN THE U.S.' date=' they should design an auto trans shifter. They had one in the late 80s, so why not redesign it for modern cars??

But how many of the most popular sports cars in the U.S. had automatics? How would they redesign it for "modern" 35 year old Z's (was more modern than the Z back in the 80's). Better luck finding an 80's model slide-o-matic at a swap meet/ebay/pick-n-pull.

Can't see how they could improve on stock manual shifter.

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I saw a $120,000 Mustang GT500 on ther Barrett-Jackson (Arizona) auction recently, even though it's a re-run from last year( just musclecar auctions). It had an automatic transmission. MANY of the Shelby Mustangs had them.

Plus, the Nissan Maxima uses the same transmission- with or without overdrive, which would help simplify things.

What's a "slide-o-matic?" Mine already has a shifter, with an updated, sporty-looking handle, which has been mistaken for a manual shifter several times!. Then, I dunno which other shifter would fit the car & trans shift pattern. Some people on Hybridz.org have adapted generic shifters to the JATCO unit, but it was not easy to get the gear 'notches' to match.

Wouldn't it be really NEAT if they made such a shifter that looks like the manual one? Then you wouldn't be abler to tell what kind of transmission was in the car by looking at the the shifter! LOL

The idea isn't to improve the shifter, but to get the 4-speed pattern that most people associate with older-, or sporty- cars.

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>>>I saw a $120,000 Mustang GT500 on the Barrett-Jackson (Arizona) auction recently, even though it's a re-run from last year( just musclecar auctions). It had an automatic transmission. MANY of the Shelby Mustangs had them.

Hardly the "most popular American sports car", perhaps one of the most wanted, but nobody could afford them then or now.

>>>The idea isn't to improve the shifter, but to get the 4-speed pattern that most people associate with older-, or sporty- cars.

???? Sounds rice to me, don't make it better just make it cool!!! better yet how about a sticker, "I could have been a 4 speed"!!!

Sorry but sometimes I wonder where you come up with this stuff, Gameboy broke??

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RICE?

Adding a period-looking shifter doesn't sound like rice to me, and it would definitely be cool for us with the automatic trannies, and would be as functional as aesthetic. Like I said, it would make the auto-shift cars look like the manual-shift ones, from the driver's seat. To me, rice-stuff degrades the look of things. I alao like the idea because I'm unable to drive a car with manual transmission, so the new shifter would be cool- even a retro-styled idea to replace ratchet-shifters.

STICKERS

Stickers suck, and were meant to cover rust-spots (rust being a four-letter word).

I've been working on this idea since I started building streetrods. They all have column-shifters (boring) or floor-shifters that belong in contemporary cars (looks funny).

I don't play video games.

Same to you.

thx

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RICE?

Adding a period-looking shifter doesn't sound like rice to me, and it would definitely be cool for us with the automatic trannies, and would be as functional as aesthetic. Like I said, it would make the auto-shift cars look like the manual-shift ones, from the driver's seat.......

Sounds like RICE to me. Making something look like something that it isn't fits MY defintion of RICE.

How many of these "wonder units" do you think they could sell? Face it,there are not very many automatic equipped S30's left in the world. Only a tiny fraction of the owners of these cars would be interested in "reinventing the wheel" and gaining nothing but "style".

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Just put a shift knob on your autostick marked R,1,2,3,4,5. And add an astheticaly pleasing fake gate on the console. Nobody except a passenger (and you) will know its not a real 5 speed. Fits your requirements for functional and asthetic.

People might wonder why you park with your car in "2nd" though.

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Carl-

I first thought of the idea for use on streetrods, but it could be used on MILLIONS OF CARS!! Not just Z-cars! It would be a fully-functional shifter, with an H-pattern for three speeds forward, 1 reverse, and Park (5 gears total). How many cars have paddle shifters, but don't need them, like the Lincoln LS? You gotta stop thinking negatively! Get your heads out of the BOX.

RICE?

How about those guys trying to duplicate the works rally cars? Those aren'treally works rally cars, so they must be RICE?

Pancho-

What do you mean by log-leg pattern? And it -is- a GO on the H-pattern. It's been patented already.

(Shift gate)

What shift gate? On what console? My car has no center console. Just a shifter with as nice leather boot around it. In my photo album.

???? I thought you guys were open to new ideas ???

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Carl-

I first thought of the idea for use on streetrods, but it could be used on MILLIONS OF CARS!! Not just Z-cars!

The cost of designing and manufacturing and marketing a kit to FIT an S30 has to be justifiable to the company. Ever heard of ROI? (Return on Investment)

How many cars have paddle shifters, but don't need them, like the Lincoln LS? You gotta stop thinking negatively! Get your heads out of the BOX.

A helluva lot more than the number of S30's with auto transmission that are in the hands of people who WANT it to be a "pretend" manual transmission car.

RICE?

How about those guys trying to duplicate the works rally cars? Those aren'treally works rally cars, so they must be RICE?

If all they do is make it LOOK like a Ralley car (i.e. not having proper equipment on it) then it MAY be considered RICE, but more likely to be considered a look-alike.

Pancho-

What do you mean by log-leg pattern? And it -is- a GO on the H-pattern. It's been patented already.

The common "H" patteren has 4 locations for gears. Having 3 gears, a reverse gear, a Neutral position, and a Park position would seem to require more than an "H".

Park Reverse

Neutral Drive

Drive2 Drive1

(Shift gate)

What shift gate? On what console? Mu car has no center console.

Now who's fault is that?

???? I thought you guys were open to new ideas ???

Ask B&M if "they" are interested in this one. One or the other of us will be suprised.

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It doesn't have to FIT the aS30 car. We just need them to start making them again.

I's not a "pretend" shifter. I see it as the evolution of the straight-gate now used. I see it as the shifter you'd get in any performance-minded car ( which is a LOT of them). I don't see to many rachet-shifters on street cars, so they must be useless too, huh?

the H-pattern is just the name given to shifters for the 4 and 5-speed transmissions. You might also call it a horizontal-gate. Tthere is also a vertical-gate or "Z-gate" shift pattern.

No need for a clutch pedal, because there's no clutch.

B&M WAS interested in 90-93. They designed it, patented it, and marketed it, but they suddenly took it off the market before it hit the shelves because if a problem with the reverse lock-out that racers needed. I thought there might be somebody here with connections at B&M that might use the clout of this group to resurrect the project. To our benifit of course.

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Clout? LOL There are probably less than 500 people who represent the core of this group. How many HAVE an automatic? How many ofthose would WANT what you are describing?

a 90-96 Z32 is far different than an 70-78 S30 (far more of them left as well) interesting that they either COULDN'T or at the very least DIDN'T overcome the problem.

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Money spent on project : $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Money earned from project : $

No, no no..... You're thinking backwards...

B&M designs and build shifters. They're experts at it! I saidthe shifter would be put into a million cars, it would earn $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!

You're thinking small. thing BIG. Make it an idea that WILL happen.

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I saidthe shifter would be put into a million cars, it would earn $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!

You're thinking small. thing BIG. Make it an idea that WILL happen.

Please put the crack pipe down and step away from the drugs!

You assume that what is designed for one car model will fit and work (and be wanted) in many others. A million? COME ON! Be real.

There is a difference between thinking big and FANTASYLAND.

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a 90-96 Z32 is far different than an 70-78 S30 (far more of them left as well) interesting that they either COULDN'T or at the very least DIDN'T overcome the problem.

What does the 90-96 Z32 have to do with a shifter designed in 1991?

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They just need to fix the problem so they can get it (certified for competition). The idea/design can be adapted for different shift patterns, like it is for Ford C4-C6, Chevy T250-350-TH700, Mopar, etc. It should also be relatively easy to make a change for the Nissan shift gate. Remember the S30 auto trans is a LOT like the one in the Maxima, et al.

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Wake up buddy. Engineers don't work for peanuts, it costs money to redesign things. Carl is right. If this was such a minor and easy to fix problem, they would have FIXED it and sold it to begin with instead of cutting their losses.

Judging simply from the fact that they dropped it after investing all that time/money into designing it indicates to me that that it probably had some sort of fundamental design flaw, correction of which would have required enough manpower and retooling to obliterate any profit margin they hoped to make on it.

I do not know much about this B&M company, but from what I gather they are not a non-profit organization : they are likely (wait lemme check, are they based in the USA? Yes they are.) governed by money most of all. Something that will cost X amount of money to design and produce, and sell for Y amount of money, where Y is infinitesimal compared to X, then they would have to sell a great volume of units. From what you're telling us here, I really cannot think of anyone I personally know who would buy one. Would you really pay enough to help cover a sizeable fraction of the design and production costs yourself?

From what I can tell, the main 'performance' applications of automatic transmissions in Z cars is for drag racing. I think those guys won't be using the same 3 speed slushboxes that were put in the S30.

Edit : forum didn't like my mathematical symbols

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What does the 90-96 Z32 have to do with a shifter designed in 1991?

B&M WAS interested in 90-93. They designed it, patented it, and marketed it, but they suddenly took it off the market before it hit the shelves because if a problem with the reverse lock-out that racers needed.

Guess I assumed wrong. So, they took 3 years to design, patent, and market the thing? THEN they cancelled the project before it hit the shelves?

And they never revived the project? THAT should tell you how valuable B&M thought the idea was!

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So you want them to make a product so you can put it in your car and it doesn't have to fit?

Yeah, I'd buy one if it would WORK. I'd make a mount for it with a nice box & everything. Many nice mods in my car already:

full-size wheel in the back

flip-up toolbox lid

fancy shifter handle

euro-style trunk pull & door pulls

modern day/night rearview mirror

power steering

supportive seats

etc

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I dunno how long it took to develop the thing. I heard about it in 1990, then tried to buy one in 1993,when I orderd my GTO stuff, and then the salesman told me they stopped making them. That makes 3 years.

Unfortunately, The biggest problem was that it didn't catch on like you would think. It's such a different idea that it would take a while. That part you got right.

Many NEW ideas take a while, like paddle shifters. I'm not hot for those myself. Nor do many cars have them( I can think of 3), so why do they bother offering them in cars?

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