Thanks 26th--

I looked all over the Barrett-Jackson site to find and explanation of the ratings, maybe another look later, or one at the Speed Channel site. Maybe I could send them an email message suggesting they tell the viewers what that stuff means, or at least put a section on their web site with the ratings, so everyone will learn them.

TomoHawk, that is a great idea! Let's see if the Professionals can come to a consesus on terminology!

Will

Not a bad idea at all. I would venture to guess the #3 driver is a little worse off than the #2 driver, but I would love to hear an explanation.

The GOOD news is....

I did go to the Speed Channel site (http://www.speedtv.com) and sent some feedback requesting they explain themselves on air, or at least on a web site some place.

BAD news is....

The Barrett-Jackson web site site seems to geared only to sales and they don't care about constructive critisism.

I don't have a lot of expectation that they will do muvh because both groups are:

1. vain "we don't need explain nuttin'"

2. Greedy " we just want to sell you car and get the commision."

yeesh

Atr least I got you broZ....

... I can't find the thread, but we mentioned the "Official Z.C.C.A. Z-Car Judging Manual"

Is there such a thing? I'd like to take a look at it. There's never too many checklists to look over to see if there's anything left to spiff up or fix- it could be to your own benifit & safety if you catch something important, not to mention a little personal satisfaction that 'that guy' or 'the pretty girl' is checking you out.

I'll go take a look at the z.c.c.a site... www.zcca.org right?

thx

(Months later, lots of beer consumed, much more knowledge) Yes! There IS such a thing as Z Car Club Association judging standards. www.zcca.org

It's not much but this isit:

http://www.zcca.org/registry/FromRootFolder/judge.htm

Well, I'm glad you guys have found the judging rules used by the ZCCA. Developed by the ZCCA they represent the guidelines for both owners and judges to see what will be judged and what the right class a vehicle should be entered in. A vast majority of owners wishing to enter their "stocK" Zs find themselves with more deductions then they expected due to the number of dealer option and other mods added on over the years. Even non-stock owners are amazed when free car classification reviews are offered prior to a major convention show and they see the mods added up right in front of them.

Owners have the option to place their cars in any class (daily driver is a separate issue and I won't go into that) but with the newly added classification reviews this has reduced the number of cars placed in the wrong class. Owners also have the final responsibilty to enter their cars in the correct class and can seek "help" if they are not sure which is the right one for them.

Mind you we are talking about modded Zs now not whether they are "original", "factory", et al since they make up some 60-70% of the cars entered.

The ZCCA has a separate set of judges to do the stock class since it's the hardest to do and do right. I have judged at five ZCCA conventions and about 6-8 other ZCCA/club shows and no way would I want (or feel qualified)to do stock judging.

gnosez-

why didn't you chime in a year ago, when this topic was started?

For me, it was the first time "Official Z.C.C.A. Z-Car Judging Manual" was mentioned, or at least the first time I noticed it enough to go look into it.

mainly because I was up to my ears in a 7-mth restoration effort (from car to bare frame rotiss job and back to running car again in a little over 5 months- complete in another 2 months) and of yeah, I had a job too. I was a tad busy.....sorry as I could have helped it seemed. You still got questions, I promise to be there this time.

Really good article in Hemmings Motor News, December 2004, Richard Lentinello, page 58, about the meaning of "restored". In November, Richard discussed "original". Must reading for an appreciation of how strick and conservative these words are.

I've noticed that over the past few years, a new class in Europe has been established, "non-restored or untouched classics". Many are running examples of original cars and others are barn finds. In a limited internet viewing they appear to be nearly complete cars that have weathered the test of time and/or elements and show their proud and well earned patina for all to see. Except for routine upkeep these seem to be used as they were intended to be used (eg., driven and not as trailer queens). Some are viewed as a benchmark for restoration efforts. There seems to be a market for them too.