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Clock replacement for 240Z (Quartz)

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Mikes Z car

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Hi all,

I got a quartz clock from Michael's (arts and craft store in USA) and replaced the mechanical clock mechanism in my 1970 240Z (my clock face says JECO). There is a thread where someone else used this same clock for their Z, the following is my experience. The easiest way to do this IMO is to use the hands from the new clock and to wrap wires onto the new clock battery connections to remote the battery location to perhaps the fuse box. I didn't install that way as I wanted the clock hands to look stock and I prefer soldered connections.

Materials needed:

A Quartz clock from Michael's ($18), see pictures of clock card for model

B Battery holder for AA (or AAA) battery from Radio Shack

C Small wire to run from clock to battery holder

D Epoxy glue

E Glue gun to put a dab of glue on inside of set time knob

F Optional tape to cover three bolt holes in back to keep light in

G Bench grinder, dremel or possibly sand paper (to remove raised edges on back of clock face and hour hand)

H Soldering gun if soldering connections

1. I ran the new clock for 24 hours verifying accuracy. Michael's clock front bezel and final result:

Bezel (not used):___Final result:

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Clock card from Michael's:

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The existing clock can be taken out through the heater fascia panel or glove box. Thread on removal:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/help-me/46462-new-clock.html?highlight=liner

Also see clock threads listed below. I went through the heater panel as it was already open for other work. Per these clock threads some 240Z clocks have a bracket for mounting, mine doesn't seem to have a bracket. My clock was held on with an 8MM bolt that is also a phillips head. I had to use a nut driver for more leverage.

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2. On back of the clock I removed the three small nuts. I also removed the 2 screws that hold the two clock halves together. I cut the wires for the motor off the back of the clock.

3. I pulled off the Z clock hands but had to gently use a small screwdriver from the side to persuade them to come off. Screwdrivers can be covered with tape to prevent scratches. Inadvertent scratches can be marked out with a black marks a lot.

4. I covered the 240Z clock face with a ziploc bag I cut a slit in to go around the center hole by taping it on both sides of the thin aluminum face to protect it though thin cardboard might have been better protection however I didn't damage anything. I did not tape directly to the front of the clock face to avoid marks. After removing the hour hand from the 240Z clock to prepare it for re-use I taped the front of it to a piece of cardboard to expose the raised edge to discourage it from taking off while using the bench grinder on it. I ground the raised edge flush on the back of the face and the back of the hour hand. The minute hand didn't need modification.

Front view:............................Raised edges on back to be ground off:

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5. I epoxied the new clock movement around its edges onto the back of the face making sure to get the post for the hands centered in the hole on the face. Epoxy wanted to let the new movement slide out of position so I re-centered it a few times as it dried.

6. I wanted to re-use the 240Z hands but they have mounting holes that are too big to fit tightly on the new movement so I epoxied the 240Z clock hands on top of the hands on the new movement from Michael's. To make that possible I cut off about 1/4 inch of the minute hand on the new movement as it was too long and would have been been seen sticking out from under the end of the stock 240Z minute hand.

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On both hands on the new movement I ground off part of the sides of the arrow on the ends of the hands as they were wider than the width of the 240Z hands and again would have been visible once the clock was placed into operation. I had to be careful here as the new hands are thin aluminum.

7. For the battery connection I could have wrapped wires onto the existing battery holder which would have been much easier than what I did. An idea here would be to wedge the wires in the battery compartment with a wooden dowel cut to the size of an AAA battery and maybe glued in. Another idea might be to solder the wires to a small piece of flat copper with the flat copper wedged in between the battery connections and the wooden dowel. See * below for how I did the connection to the circuit board.

8. I pressed on the hour hand from the new movement that had been prepared to be physically smaller so it would hide under the 240Z hour hand. Next I epoxied the 240Z hour hand that had had the raised edge removed on top of it. The edge would have raised the hour hand to a height to where it would not have cleared the minute hand I was about to install. The 240Z hour hand wanted to slide off center so I had to recheck it periodically as the glue dried. Five minute epoxy might have worked better.

9. To install the minute hand from the new movement I put it over the already glued on hour hand to check for clearance, I needed to bend the minute hand up and over the hour hand assembly using tweezers for the bending. I applied epoxy to the 240Z minute hand with a toothpick to make sure I didn't get too much that might flow into the second hand mount point (not used) in the center of the new clock post to avoid having it bind. After gluing the stock 240Z minute hand I had to recheck it periodically as the epoxy was setting to check for centering and to make sure it was sitting flat with respect to the face. I put a toothpick across and on top of the minute hand at the post it was on with a small weight on the toothpick with a spoon to hold up one end of the toothpick with the idea of keeping the minute hand flat and centered on the post so it would look right.

10. For the time setting function I put a small dab of glue gun glue on the end of the set knob next to the minute hand (a thread mentions using a glue gun). This was to make the set knob reach further when pushed in to contact the 240Z minute hand that was glued on top of the new movement minute hand. I made sure to get the glue down in the slot at the end of the setting knob to secure the glue better. Too much glue can be trimmed with an ordinary finger nail clipper. I think the end of the glue dab needs to be fairly flat. Not enough glue and the set knob when pushed in won't contact the minute hand making setting the time impossible, too much glue and the knob will bind the minute hand possibly stopping operation of the clock. One other thing I did to further secure the glue dab was to take a toothpick and apply a very tiny amount of epoxy to the junction between the dab and the set knob. I used jeweler's magnifying glasses to make sure I didn't glue the set knob so it wouldn't push in.

11. The end result is that the clock looks great installed in the car and is keeping good time.

Here are threads on fixing Z clocks:

Zclocks good quality:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread5093.html

Keep hands from new clock:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/open-zcar-discussion/48910-clock-redo.html

Getting clock out thru glove box (tends to destroy glove box) or heater panel:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread9492.html

Different kinds of clocks described-motor type-pendulum type:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread18442.html

Fixing electric circuit type clocks:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread22795.html

Replace with desktop auto car parts store clock -orange face:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread36393.html

Replacing capacitors on clocks that use them sometimes helps:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread18851.html

Zclocks and Auto Meter clocks discussed:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread13723.html

Clock runs when car runs but then quits a few days after car is parked:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread12992.html

Changing out mechanical movement to quartz discussed, radio shack 12 volt to 1.5 volt regulator mentioned:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread10767.html

Oiling original mechanical clock sometimes works sometimes doesn't:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread7817.html

* I tried to solder to the connections in the battery holder but the solder would not stick. To solder directly to the circuit board I took the movement apart by unscrewing a screw and unsnapping the two plastic latches on the sides. I soldered the new battery wires directly to the circuit board where the existing battery holder connects VIA a spring like action by two prongs (The prongs aren't soldered). I scraped off the two circuit board "pads" with a pocket knife where the two springlike prongs connected and got down to a copper colored metal which my solder gun could solder to. The wires I used are very small 30 gauge, they need to be to make for easy soldering to the small pads and to make it easy to get them to pass out of the movement though a small hole could be drilled in the plastic case of the movement for the wires. I personally feel taking the movement apart and getting it back together properly was not particularly easy as there were several very small plastic gears that kept falling off and I had to remember where they went.

Clock innards:

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12. **** How to get rid of the AA battery: ****

Schematics below include the 320 ohm resistor needed for quartz clock per spec sheet for minimum load of 4 mA. Be sure to adjust the 5K pot for 1.5V out before connecting clock.

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I sent a clock out to Zclocks and had it upgraded to a quartz movement. I considered this option but did not want to deal with batteries. In reading this I was wondering if you could buy or build a voltage reduction unit and wire this clock directly into the 12v system.

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JLPurcell,

Yes you could build a regulator, the Shack sells an adjustable voltage regulator that would be suitable for dropping 12V down to 1.5V. The package has the schematic for wiring it however (edited later) the LM317T they sell as their part number 276-1778 has a minimum load requirement which the Shack schematic does not address. To make this regulator work with a minimal load like a quartz clock, add a 320 ohm resistor across the output. The LM317T part number would be recognized by Digi-Key, Mouser (I see it on eBay now) or similar electronics supply. I thought I might want to do as you suggest so I extended the wires from the existing 12 V power for the 240Z clock down to the AA battery holder that will go next to the fuse box in case I want to connect a voltage regulator later and get rid of the AA battery.

I like the idea of keeping vendors for the Z happy, they are important.

Mike

There are two resistors shown on the Shack schematic, 240 ohms connects between the adj and Vout leads and a 5K variable between the left (adj) lead and ground to set the voltage output. The input lead of the LM317T connects to a 12 volt source that is always on such as the 12 volt source for the original clock, the ground lead would go to any ground on the car and the output would connect to the +battery connection for the quartz clock after the variable resistor was adjusted for 1.5 volts output. The -battery lead of the quartz clock would go to any car ground. The 320 ohm minimum load resistor not shown on the Shack schematic but required goes from the + battery connection to the - battery connection on the quartz clock. This regulator will fit inside the clock case as the quartz clock does not take up as much room as the original mechanical movement however it might be better to mount it outside the case to avoid blocking light from the instrument bulb. If the regulator is mounted inside the metal clock case it needs to be insulated from the clock case and would need to be glued to the case to prevent it from brushing against the time set knob on the back of the quartz movement which could cause the clock to stop.

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" I thought I might want to do as you suggest so I extended the wires from the existing 12 V power for the 240Z clock down to the AA battery holder that will go next to the fuse box in case I want to connect a voltage regulator later and get rid of the AA battery."

Mike, way to think next step. I am excited to have the upgraded clock for Zclocks. He was very responsive and had less than a two week turn around. I have 5 more spare clocks I might consider experimenting with one of them.

Thanks for the information that is what makes this site the place to be if you love your Z.

JLP

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JLPurcell,

I got lucky on that one. Usually it goes the other way, ten years later I realize I should have done something different. Heh heh.

Per the spec sheet the LM317T has to see a load of at least 4 mA so a 320 ohm resistor is needed across the quartz clock battery connection since the quartz clock draws less than 1 mA per my measurement. The Shack schematic doesn't include this as most loads exceed the minimum requirement without the 320 ohm resistor. This is important because per the spec sheet if the LM317T doesn't see a load of at least 4 mA the output voltage will go up potentially destroying the quartz clock. An alternative voltage regulator might be two diodes in series with a 5K resistor with the clock connected across the two diodes?- this would draw less current than the LM317T. For reference a spec sheet for the LM317T can be found here:

http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/snvs774l/snvs774l.pdf

edit later:

A couple of other ideas may be helpful here. The original 240Z mechanical clock draws about 11 mA, the quartz clock draws about 5 mA when used with the LM317T voltage regulator and the 320 ohm resistor mentioned above. Therefore the quartz clock is less of a drain on your battery than the original clock was even with the 320 ohm load resistor hooked up. Also, the "T" at the end of LM317T means the regulator will come in a package that looks like a power transistor and is easy to solder to. Other versions (without the "T") are for soldering directly to a circuit board and have shorter leads making them more difficult to solder to IMO.

While I had the clock out I replaced the instrument lights in the three gauges. A hand mirror and a trouble light sure helped though I could have used an additional joint in my arm and a smaller arm also. I have the scratches to back up those claims too.

Yes this web site is a terrific place for info about a Z! I'd still have my first one if I had had this level of support back then.

Mike

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