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Just yesterday a cop showed up at my door. Because of the city ordinences, I have to get rid of my 83 datsun 280zx project car. I have to get rid of the car in the next 10 days. Because my car isn't running at the moment. I think that the cops and the city leaders are suck asses. Do you have to go through this were you live???? Tell me what you think

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Did they tell you WHY though? I don't see why there would be a problem unless someone complained against you, or you broke the law somehow... You could have it towed to a buddy's house and keep it there for a week until the cops cool off. Just a thought.

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I'm failing to see the legality of this. Have you found it written anywhere that says that a running car can't be stored a private residence? I know that if a car is left on the street side (even if in front of your house) for X amount of time it can be considered abandoned and then towed. But if this car is on your property it just doesn't make since.

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Double check the actual ordinance, the officer will repeat the complaint, and leave out any part of the ordinance that may be to your benefit-mostly because he probably does not know the wording of the ordinance.

IE: Here in Savannah, I got the exact same notice you did, in researching the actual ordinance, I found I could simply move the car to the back yard and keep it covered with a tarp inside a gate, or put the car on a trailer parked parallel to, and within 15' of, an established driveway and be 100% in compliance. It can realy bother neighbors to find out the person they want to control has a brain and can read-when they find out the car didn't have to go away, and there is NOTHING they can do about it.

Once you meet the letter of the ordinance-assuming your neighborhood has no covenants-you can actually file charges of harassment against the neighbors if they continue to have the city check up on you. Talk about turning the tables-I have had no more problems since I asked the city official who came to check on my cars for the third time in a month to inform the complainer (who had hoped to remain anonymous)that another visit from the city on her behalf would result in not only charges of harassment, but also a peace bond-effectively stopping her from being able to walk her own neighborhood. That was 8 years ago.

In my eyes she wanted a power struggle-if she had not, she would have rung my doorbell, and granted me the respect to look me in the eye and talk to me about the problem. She did nothing but call the city. I didn't call the city, I went downtown and got a certified copy the actual ordinance-officials will back down if you know what you are talking about, and can prove it.

In most areas, an official complaint cannot be legally made with out being able to face your accuser-meaning an anonymous complaints are not enforceable-easly thwarted by the city claiming responsability for the complaint-but most city representatives couldn't really care less, or didn't have time to think that up.

Check the actual law, and conform to it-and only it.

Will

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Does the car appear to be not running? or have expired tags on it?

Some cities require current tags even on cars parked on private

property. Look up the trespassing laws for your state, you may

find they trespassed. If the car in on your property post a simple

No Trespassing sign and tell them to get off your property.

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This is the kind of stuff that really gets to me. What ever happened to "love thy neighbor"? I remember when I was a little kid, I lived in a culdesak. I was friends with just about every person on that street, over 16 houses overall. And not just that street- the streets parrell to it as well. I had more friends than I knew what to do with, and they were all within walking distance. It wasn't until I was a teenager and we moved into a ritzy community with a golf course and neighborhood association board that things started to suck. With the board, you had to file a motion just to plant new bushes! Bushes! Or flowers, or anything else. You weren't allowed sheds, storage areas, or decks larger than 40 sq ft. It was crazy. If you wanted a pool (I remember my dad having a fit about this), you had to have the board approve it, and then the board selected the company to install it. Then you had to pay a $600 annual fee to the board for just having the pool! And, you couldn't have it filled with water after labor day or before March 1st, weather permitting. It was redicuous.

I remember we had this old retired couple that lived directly across the street. The old guy had nothing better to do than sit in his house and peer through the blinds and evesdrop on the neighbors. I remember my aunt came to visit once and parked her car on the side of the road (our side, not even his!) and he called the cops. They used that white chalk to mark the tires, and if you don't move the car within X amount of days it's towed. It was so ridiclous I couldn't believe it.

Another time, I was about 15, I was in my driveway building a trailer for my lawn tractor out of wood (only thing I had at the time) with my friend. Of course, there was a lot of noise with all the hammering, and one neighbor from across the street came running out of house and started yelling that we were causing too much noise and he had to get up to go to work soon. He said he was going to call the cops if we didn't stop. It's crazy.

There's more stupid incidences like these- like when one of my neighbors bought a new edger and decided to edge everybodies lawn without asking- or the time I was playing catch with a friend in the backyard and a neighbor freaked out because he thought the baseball might hit his house so he said I wasn't allowed to play anymore. Stories like these were dime-a-dozen, and you can bet I will never, ever buy a house in a neighborhood with a community board ever.

Dave

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IE: Here in Savannah, I got the exact same notice you did, in researching the actual ordinance, I found I could simply move the car to the back yard and keep it covered with a tarp inside a gate, or put the car on a trailer parked parallel to, and within 15' of, an established driveway and be 100% in compliance.

My father had the same problem in Savannah. In his case I'm certain that it was due to a neighbor calling and complaining; I'm sure the police have better things to deal with. Someone apparently thought the car was abandoned, in his driveway, because it appeared as though hadn't moved in such a long time. I think he just cranked it up and backed it out of the driveway to prove that it wasn't derelict and that was good enough. It does still need a good paint job, however ...

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When I was working on my friends 72 project, we moved the basically stripped car out of my garage. This was so a body man could come look at it during the day while I was at work. I had removed the license plate to work on the T/L finishers; and left it off; as the car would be at a shop by the weekend. I got a notice from our local fire dept., after the car was gone, about an unregistered vehicle on my property. It seems the F.D. handles building code violations in my city. I explained the situation, and he said OK, don't worry about it. Two days later, another F.D. guy shows up, asking about the car. Again, I explained the situation, and told him it was in a shop. Seems a 'neighbor' complained. The car wasn't out there more than 4 days. Bunch of homeowner assoc. Nazis. Couldn't even come by and ASK.

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You want ridiculous? In certain neighborhoods in Hawaii, they have Associations with "rules." Breaking these "rules" can mean fines or destruction of the "offending" object. Unkempt yards. Laundry hanging to dry in the carport. Walls too high. Acceptable colors for your house. And my favorite: any vehicle in a garage or carport must be wholly inside the structure.

There were actually people going out and measuring or taking pictures of the offending vehicle. People whose boat trailer tongues stick out by as little as 6 inches were cited by the neighborhood association. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that you can't park on the street and can't keep things in your yard.

And they all wondered why I didn't buy there - all the other young people did. And the homes were new. Ha! I bought a 45 year old house in an established neighborhood with no rules what-so-ever. My house is green, and my neighbors' are pink, dark maroon, yellow, light purple, gray and white. The guy down the street has so much junk in his garage that he has to park his car on the street. FREEDOM!

I feel for all of you who have to live with neighborhood Nazis.

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My county calls it the "Junk Vehicle Ordinance"

Quote---

10.42.110 Keeping of Unregistered, Wrecked or Junked Vehicles

It shall be unlawful for any person in charge or control of any property within the city, whether as owner, tenant, occupant, lessee, or otherwise, to allow any non-operating, wrecked, junked, or partially dismantled vehicle to remain on such property longer than thirty days.

It shall be unlawful for any person in charge or control of any property within the city, whether as owner, tenant, occupant, lessee, or otherwise, to allow any vehicle which has been unregistered for more than thirty days to remain on such property

End quote--

There are ways to get around this. Put the vehicle in a shed, or get a "Hobbyists Permit".

"A hobbyist permit is for the restoration or repair of up to 2 vehicles. The location of the vehicle must be the same as the applicant's address.

Obtain an application from the Lincoln City Clerk's Office, or download an application from their InterLinc website.

Fill out the application and file it with the City Clerk.

Pay $50.00 fee for each vehicle. Permits are good for 180 days"

I took my extra Z's out to a friends acreage and put them in a barn. Up on blocks to try and keep the critters out of them.

If you live in a more well to do area, they'll crack down pretty hard. If you live in a more blighted area, they don't care at all.

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hmmm thinking

So are they just picking on nissans ?

"deeded" and other nissan lovers there has to be away around this.

This news saddens me all that nissan technology going to waste.

My friend had a problem like yours, had to remove the car got a lousy $50.00

I won't say what i think of them on air except,

My grandfather was a dentist and so I can't show my face on T.V or Internet.

So would it help if you were working on sum engine mods to confirm/verify data for a business venture in Austraila,

Building the perfect Internal Cumbustion Engine........

I would Register engine no, body no, block type, head type cc in cumbustion chamber

no of leaf blowers etc the more the better,anything cheap is good to

like my turbo coke bottle just add silycon.

see cheap mod ....

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18574

and any other thing i can think of, "help me out here"

I would store this in a spread sheel as part of my World Wide Experment.

Including next mod waiting to be done.

Including next engine non destructive test.

Including next engine test to find the peak power point before total destruction.

Stuff like

How to Add a leaf blower and get an extra 10 KW, I have got curcuits to email.

Hey I have room for at least 10 of these in my wagon,

Can you get electric start 2 Stroke leaf blower....... opps restricted information

Bit of a plumbing nightmare, but possible.

Anyway if the powers to be need some proof.

I Have some very interesting photos which I can email.

I Have A Suitably Qualifed Mechanic (Retired "Convertional Thinking Person") to confirm my findings.

He's quite impressed with my current engine.

I still needs tuning

It has to be computerised to avoid self distruction, as the previous engine.

I still have data and some of its listed on www.smokingwheels.myphotoalbu.com

I can supply my first program with sum errors and bugs (features), including a xls file to calculate timing, the setup of such computer (see below for rates)

I would go to the extreme of making a short AVI to emailing it to " the powers to be".

Charges and Rates 2005

Hard copy hmmm at least $1.9999999E+99999999 au$, or several million $ per picoSecond, which ever in higher....(Thankyou Bill Gates)

On the serious side (retricted information)

I guess you would have to prove that I have ownership of the car or pile of parts.

send me photos.

In return I would do the same to you but no one would know that,

otherwize i guess its headed to the crusher.

If you got this far

well does it not infringe on sum of our Civil Rights/freedom somewhere along the lines

but remember time is short in this case

Im all ears

cheers big ears (big brother)

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Im very thankful i live in my neighborhood.. Ive got a swamp to the left of me, neighboors ( that once were evil but we drove them outa their house) that are moving, ppl to the right of me own 4 harleys a couple BMW's and he absolutely loves classic cars, ppl behind me dont care wtf i do and im friends with them and everyone else on my culdesak is cool with the exception of 1 family but they live the farthest away. I have yet to get any complaints about vehicles and i have a boat that couldnt look any worse thats been out there for 2 years in the road, a taurus that doesnt have a title, a 72 240z parts car on jacks ,covered by a tarp and parts everywhere, a snowmobile trailer filled with parts, and a 76 280z all in my driveway. This doesnt even include the 3 daily drivers in my house. Wow... my yard looks like sh*t!

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Couple things you could do.

1. Rent a storage unit. usually under 100 bucks a month and gives you a place to work on your Z. I've currently got mine in a 300 Square Foot Space that I'm paying $150/mo. for.

2. If you are planning on a professional paint job in the future... It may prove productive to spray bomb it. A $20 of rustoleum spray paint could make it nice and shiny enough and look good enough so that the neighbors would stop complaining. Obviously NOT a permanent solution, but if the car gets painted later on anyways, may help.

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Will has the right idea, you must find out what the statute currently says.

I had a similar problem in Athens, GA. All cars must run, be insured and titled unless a current race car. It resulted in the offending 76 280 moving to the garage and my newest 78 280 living in a parking place in front of a friends business in Oglethorpe County. My running 78 280Z now is in the elements outside the garage.

I am working on the idea of adding a shop behind my house, 25 x 25, but have to avoid the "garage" label as the subdivision restrictions only allow covered storage, ie: carport or garage with two doors or spaces. Not even a three car garage is allowed. If I cared to move a number of different things, including a sailboat and 20 ft equipment trailer, I could put it in the back, behind the six foot stockade fence.

There are ways around any statute.

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In my Canadian city, non-tagged vehicles must be covered by a tarp if they are in your front or back driveway. Even vehicles with current plates can be towed if left longer than 48 hours on the street.

A number of years ago it was-40 in january, and I had a chevy caprice sitting on the street and a fire hydrant or water main broke up the street. My house is at the lowpoint on the block. So all the water settled in front of the house before it froze the car in solid. I wasnt driving the car at the time, so I figured I would wait a few weeks and let it thaw out. Anyway, I noticed several tickets on my car the morning I was leaving for a business trip. Yeesh...

You might want to check into that.

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Glad I live in a cool neighborhood. I had my 28 ford sedan setting outside. Just the tub on a dolly and people were stopping and checking it out. Complimenting and talking about there cars from the past. My 280z has been sitting on the side of the garage looking like hell and no complaints. The next time the cops come out be cool to them. They probably don't want to be there either. Just ask them how to make things right. They might be cool about it and offer some advice.

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  • 3 months later...

I think somebody is smoking more than wheels.... LOL

hmmm thinking

I won't say what i think of them on air except,

My grandfather was a dentist and so I can't show my face on T.V or Internet.

So would it help if you were working on sum engine mods to confirm/verify data for a business venture in Austraila,

Building the perfect Internal Cumbustion Engine........

I would Register engine no, body no, block type, head type cc in cumbustion chamber

no of leaf blowers etc the more the better,anything cheap is good to

like my turbo coke bottle just add silycon.

see cheap mod ....

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18574

and any other thing i can think of, "help me out here"

I would store this in a spread sheel as part of my World Wide Experment.

Including next mod waiting to be done.

Including next engine non destructive test.

Including next engine test to find the peak power point before total destruction.

Stuff like

How to Add a leaf blower and get an extra 10 KW, I have got curcuits to email.

Hey I have room for at least 10 of these in my wagon,

Can you get electric start 2 Stroke leaf blower....... opps restricted information

Bit of a plumbing nightmare, but possible.

Anyway if the powers to be need some proof.

I Have some very interesting photos which I can email.

I Have A Suitably Qualifed Mechanic (Retired "Convertional Thinking Person") to confirm my findings.

He's quite impressed with my current engine.

I still needs tuning

It has to be computerised to avoid self distruction, as the previous engine.

I still have data and some of its listed on www.smokingwheels.myphotoalbu.com

I can supply my first program with sum errors and bugs (features), including a xls file to calculate timing, the setup of such computer (see below for rates)

I would go to the extreme of making a short AVI to emailing it to " the powers to be".

Charges and Rates 2005

Hard copy hmmm at least $1.9999999E+99999999 au$, or several million $ per picoSecond, which ever in higher....(Thankyou Bill Gates)

On the serious side (retricted information)

I guess you would have to prove that I have ownership of the car or pile of parts.

send me photos.

In return I would do the same to you but no one would know that,

otherwize i guess its headed to the crusher.

If you got this far

well does it not infringe on sum of our Civil Rights/freedom somewhere along the lines

but remember time is short in this case

Im all ears

cheers big ears (big brother)

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Oh, my GAWD, Adam,

Do LOOOONG posts HAVE to be quoted in COMPLETE form ??????????????

It was bad enough reading it the first time. Surely you didn't expect anyone to read it a SECOND time ??????ROFL ROFL

Rick.

:devious: :devious:

Sorry mang! I started by quoting only part of it but wasn't sure which part would best get the point across so I quoted it all. That doesn't mean you have to read it, all, or at all, and the space bar is only a fingertip away. ;)

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