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Hello all,

I have just returned from Japan, and whilst there I was able to attend this year's joint meeting of 'CLUB S30' and 'S30 OWNERS CLUB' held at Sagamiko Picnic Land in Kanagawa prefecture on Sunday 7th November.

Once again the event was blessed with perfect Autumn weather; clear skies and the low November sun playing tricks on golden leaves and car paintwork alike in this attractive Japanese day-tripper's location.

The turnout was not as prolific as the 2003 event ( which was itself rather exceptional ) but it was still a nice informal and club-based meeting with a relaxed atmosphere, and a rare chance to see some nice Japanese cars in their home environment. A particularly high proportion of 432s and ZGs were evident, as well as a number of replica ZGs and otherwise-modified cars.

A new section in the '2004 Events' has been created for these photos, and I will add a few more every now and then when I edit and downsize them. I hope that everyone will enjoy them.

Here's a direct link: CLUB S30 / S30 OWNERS CLUB Sagamiko 2004 meeting

Cheers,

Alan T.

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Thanks Alan - your pictures never fail to impress!! A large number of "ZG look" cars, I'm guessing most were replicas. Did you mainly take pictures of these cars, or is the G-Nose actually that popular a modification in Japan?

P.S. Thanks too for uploading a C110!! Was that one an authentic GT-R?

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Stunning pictures Alan ! Thank you for sharing them........ however, you have caused me a slight dilemma :rolleyes:

As you know, there is one car from Sagamiko that I just drool over and that is the inspiration for my own - it still is in terms of engineering but.......

One of your pictures shows the front view of a ZG style S30 with body coloured arches. Is this a "true" G nose or an after market kit do you know ?

It is a beautiful car indeed, so a mixture of the engineering ideas on Tatsuyo san's and the styling on this one would be staggering (IMHO)

My only reservation is the bolt on arches (over fenders I believe they are called) that come with the ZG. They are perfectly original and look period to a tee but I think I would mould them to the body.

Did you manage to get the parts details we discussed please ?

Cheers

Andy F

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A large number of "ZG look" cars, I'm guessing most were replicas. Did you mainly take pictures of these cars, or is the G-Nose actually that popular a modification in Japan?

Hi Lachlan,

Yes, a lot of cars this time featured the 'ZG look' - and not many of them were original Factory ZG models. Most of them were easy to identify, but there were a couple that were more difficult to pin down.

I think the Sagamiko event tends to attract a lot of the more modified cars in the two clubs, and this can distort the view of what is popular in Japan. There are other events that seem to attract a lower proportion of the modified crowd. For sure there were a lot of long noses there ( not just mine ).

P.S. Thanks too for uploading a C110!! Was that one an authentic GT-R?

KGC110 modified to 'GT-R look'. Same car was there last year too. SUPER clean car inside and out. I have some more pics to post of this one. A most welcome 'stray' at the event. Nice friendly owner too.

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One of your pictures shows the front view of a ZG style S30 with body coloured arches. Is this a "true" G nose or an after market kit do you know ?

Hi Andy,

Do you mean the red one with the fully polished wheels? If you look more closely, you can see that it is in fact an LHD car, and therefore most certainly not an original Factory ZG.

The lower front panel is an aftermarket part too. There are a variety of lower front panels / spoilers still being produced which fit the G-Nose upper panels and headlamp pods.

Maybe the USA would be a more likely source of extended wheel arch mouldings that can be blended into the body? I thought you wanted to stick with original Factory bodylines and get your wheels into the stock openings, but if you are prepared to go wider then things get more complicated. You will need to make sure that all your choices ( wheel arch panels, wheel and tyre sizes / offsets and suspension ride height / springing / damping ) all match up to give you what you want both in terms of performance and visual appeal.

Did you manage to get the parts details we discussed please ?

Cheers, Andy F

I have some info for you, and I'll e-mail you directly ( but I think you are still fairly unsure of exactly what you want, and these pics might not be helping :classic: ).

Cheers,

Alan T.

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Thanks a lot for the photos of the event Alan. I must agree with everyone; there were a lot of G-nose cars there. I am not complaining. I really like the the Maroon ZG with the steel wheels and dust bin wheel covers. I thought it looked perfect. Was that car a genuine ZG? The 432-R that was there gets around. I think I have seen that Z in almost every event that you have taken pictures at. It is great that the owner drives it. It must be something out of this world to see a real PS30-SB. I really like the 14 by 5.5j Kobe Seiko's that the car has, but I have seen very few pictures of 432's with the optional 14 by 6j wheels. Anyways, enough of my googling and awwing. Thank you so much for the pictures.

Ben:)

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Alan, must add my thanks too! absolutely brilliant pics. Have fuelled my desire for the bolt-on over fenders...

Also hadn't noticed your developments on the 432-R until now, must say it looks as though it is coming on a treat, I also love the colour, VERY good choice. Was the majority of the paint job done at fourways?

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I must agree with everyone; there were a lot of G-nose cars there. I am not complaining.

Hi Ben,

You're not kidding. Take a look at the photo attached below....... it was hard to avoid them :cross-eye

I really like the the Maroon ZG with the steel wheels and dust bin wheel covers. I thought it looked perfect. Was that car a genuine ZG?

The one on its lonesome? Yes - that one was an original ( and looked FRESH ) on standard wheels and wheel trims. There was another GP Maroon car there on standard wheels and trims, but that was a lookalike.

The 432-R that was there gets around. I think I have seen that Z in almost every event that you have taken pictures at. It is great that the owner drives it.

Ben:)

That's Takeuchi san's car. You are right, he gets around; not only does he go to a lot of meets, he also gets into a lot of mags and videos. I agree - its good that the car is used and not mothballed. Somebody needs to invite him to one of the USA Convention meetings, don't you think?

Cheers,

Alan T.

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That's Takeuchi san's car. You are right, he gets around; not only does he go to a lot of meets, he also gets into a lot of mags and videos. I agree - its good that the car is used and not mothballed. Somebody needs to invite him to one of the USA Convention meetings, don't you think?

Cheers,

Alan T.

I strongly agree :)

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Some great shots there, Alan.

You're one lucky fella being able to hop over to Japan for this.

One question:

Photo d 153R: The black bonnet is reminisant of the Safari style. Was this an actual paint style that was available for the DM or is it a "freelance"?

Did you visit the museum again? Any more shots of the "works" rally cars?

Mike

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Thanks heaps Alan I really enjoyed all of the pictures as you can see it was hard for me to resist and comment on cars :).

I love the 432's with the overfenders I know you think it's Blasphemy but I have fallen in love with the look myself as I think Zheadv8 has am i right? I am still wondering how the same look would go down in red it would be good to be slightly different but just as effective :).

Hope there are some more photos to come did you get many interior shots?

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Alan

Did you happen upon Kats on your recent visit to Japan; he seems to have disappeared from internet land?

He was not at the Sagamiko meeting, but that was not particularly surprising. I asked after him via a couple of mutual friends, but both said that they had not heard from him for a while.

Didn't he say he was taking a bit of a holiday from the net for a while, and spending more time with his family?

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You're one lucky fella being able to hop over to Japan for this.

Hi Mike,

I didn't go to Japan just for the Sagamiko meeting. I was just lucky that ( like last year's event ) I was taking a business trip to Japan at around the same time and was able to 'tweak' my schedule a little in order to accomodate it without getting into too much trouble.

I could have chosen the NISMO Festival by tweaking a bit more the other way - making my business trip later rather than sooner - but its taking place at T.I.Circuit Aida again this year ( whilst FISCO is being redeveloped by Toyota ) and that's a bit too far west for me.

There's still time for anyone who wants to go to that though. Anyone?

Photo d 153R: The black bonnet is reminisant of the Safari style. Was this an actual paint style that was available for the DM or is it a "freelance"?

That photo is of Takeuchi san's original 432R. The 432R model left the Factory with a semi-matt black FRP bonnet ( hood ) with a kind of dark charcoal metallic paint on the inside. There was a 432R on the Nissan display stand at the world launch of the S30-series Z, so if anything you might say that the Works rally cars followed the PZR on bonnet colouring rather than the other way around. The FRP PZR bonnet and the first series of Works rally car bonnets were the same item with the same part number.

Did you visit the museum again? Any more shots of the "works" rally cars?

Mike

You mean the warehouse at Zama? ( sore point: Nissan can't call it a proper 'museum' unless they admit the general public ). I've only been there once and I think it might be a while before I can go there again. Maybe Nissan will even get their new 'museum' floor in their proposed new Yokohama HQ built before I go there again ( its scheduled to open in 2010! ).

I've actually got hundreds of shots of the three Works cars that Nissan still own. What do you want to see? I might play requests.

Alan T.

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I love the 432's with the overfenders I know you think it's Blasphemy but I have fallen in love with the look myself..........

It wasn't really the Overfenders on the white twinny-grinny 432s that I thought was 'blasphemous' ( although the fact that they were carbon fibre seems to sum up the approach in the build of these two cars ). It was more to do with the fact that they chose to make so many non-period and 'bling' mods to a pair of 432s rather than a more common model.

Seeing an S20 engine with a chromed valve cover made me feel a bit queasy, but perhaps more disconcerting was the beautiful engineering and almost flawless bodywork, paint, wiring and plumbing. It was all excellent. How could such an artisan have such bad taste? Very odd.

Lots of the components of the two cars, when taken off the cars and viewed on their own, are perfectly fine. But put them all together ( on a PS30 body! ) and to my mind its neither fish nor fowl. I have NO problem with modifications - even the most extreme - and I would have been pleased to see something like an RB in the engine bay ( not in a PS30 body please... ) but I couldn't see the philosophy behind them. Just my opinion, though. The owners I guess have a right to do whatever they want.

Then the Veilside-kitted Z33 turned up, and the owner appeared to be best mates with them both. That made the penny drop for me...... three peas in a pod.

.....did you get many interior shots?

Not really. I always find interior shots a little awkward at meetings like this. Like photographing somebody's kitchen. There's usually a lot of cooler boxes, folding chairs, coats and shoes inside the cars!

One guy even brought his bird with him. I don't mean a girl, I mean an actual live tweety bird in a cage. Some kind of exotic warbler or finch. In a classic dome-shaped cage with a perch. The owner was in a lovely GP Maroon ZG. I kid you not. I'd have thought the poor bird would get alarmed and drop dead, but apparently not.

Now that's what I call a family day out.

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Then the Veilside-kitted Z33 turned up, and the owner appeared to be best mates with them both. That made the penny drop for me...... three peas in a pod.

ROFL ROFL

Now, I dont think the twins were quite that bad!!

I don't mean a girl, I mean an actual live tweety bird in a cage.

That is fantastic, reminds me of a recent incident here, where a guy was caught carrying 4 birds (rare cockatiels or something) at an airport ... in his underwear! He was apparently trying to get them out of the country illegally to sell in Asia. LOL I wonder if those birds prefer seeds or nuts??

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Thankyou Alan once again for the next best thing to being there!

Seeing an S20 engine with a chromed valve cover made me feel a bit queasy, but perhaps more disconcerting was the beautiful engineering and almost flawless bodywork, paint, wiring and plumbing. It was all excellent. How could such an artisan have such bad taste? Very odd.

Lots of the components of the two cars, when taken off the cars and viewed on their own, are perfectly fine. But put them all together ( on a PS30 body! ) and to my mind its neither fish nor fowl. I have NO problem with modifications - even the most extreme - and I would have been pleased to see something like an RB in the engine bay ( not in a PS30 body please... ) but I couldn't see the philosophy behind them. Just my opinion, though. The owners I guess have a right to do whatever they want.

My feelings exactly!! I recognise how extremly hard it is to have a 30+ year old rare classic kept as a time capsule example, and am all for mods, but in keeping with the period of the car! :ermm: just thinking about it.....I guess that could be just as hard :nervous: but you wouldn't put a disco type hairdo on DaVincis' "Mona Lisa" even if it was a perfect job! I just keep reminding myself it takes all kinds to keep life interesting :cross-eye ...I mean...take me for instance :laugh:

I'm tired,

Jim.

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Haha you guys are funny. To be honest thinking about it I know exactly where your coming from I see both sides of the coin. Yes I agree it would be better to do it to a non PS30 car especially since they are so rare. Infact you'd be better off with an L28 stroked to 3.1ltr and Alan I don't even like an RB in a normal Z S30, HS30 or dare I say HLS30 haha just playing but seriously I prefer a well worked L28 just goes with the period so yeah I guess i see what your saying even if the S20 valve cover looked pretty schmick chromed.

I find it hard sometimes owning an old car one side of me says modify and improve the other says keep original and neat. I guess that's why I need 2 Z's :)

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I have fallen in love with the look myself as I think Zheadv8 has am i right?

Oh yes indeed - I am unsure about overfenders but the clean, almost clinical lines of some of these JDM cars are stunning. SOme of the hideous after market bolt on lumps of cheap plastic do nothing for me, however, the really high quality bits ......... different bottle of chips. :lick:

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