26th-Z

I'm not trying to degrade your car either, Jim. I'm just trying to keep the playing field even and factual based. One thing I HAVE learned about Zeds is that every time something certain is established, the exception pops up. If the colors aren't the same, then what colors are they? We all seem to agree that Les has established a facsimile of "correctness", however if it is for only a certain application, then what is "correct" for the other? And to what years does this apply? Furthermore, is there an explanation why two different "colors" were used? (Actually, I think we are talking about tone / value, not color) (edit) Oh! I believe the paint is lacquer, Will. Not enamel.

Jim, Your car was a wonderful example but as we both know was NOT all original. I think you may be misrepresenting your example. The original question had to do with what color, not speculation on different colors. With all due respect, I would ask that the conversation drift more toward the fact side of the issue rather than the subjective. What specific color? A color code might be in order. Chris

Yes, Marty. 26th, 27th, and 403rd have the rubber grommet type. Part number 75150-E4101. Part number 75150-E8700 replaces the early type and no date is given because it can be used for all models. According to pictures in my Japanese parts books, the early type of shift boot with the rubber grommet coresponds to the console design with the early style ash tray. Consoles with the sliding cover ash tray were designed for the lace type (E8700).

The early shift boot has the rubber grommet and it was replaced by the shift boot with leather laces. Now, as much as ladies of driving pleasure enjoy lace, we ARE talking about the stick and it deserves a good solid rubber!

Here you go, Burt. This is a crop and enlargement of the 1970 dealer brochure showing a match in color. I am in negotiations to buy the original art work for this brochure. I remember using this information during a conversation about the color of distributor caps. Makes it kind of hard to argue the different color thing. BTW, Burt, if you aren't Burt, prove it. Lets see a picture of your car Burt. I thought you were kicked off this site and I will thank you to not send me nasty PMs in disguise as your crack.

Here you go, Burt. Give this to the guy. This is a crop and enlargement of the 1970 dealer brochure showing a match in color. I am in negotiations to buy the original art work for this brochure. I remember using this information during a conversation about the color of distributor caps. Makes it kind of hard to argue the different color thing. BTW, Burt, if you aren't Burt, prove it. Lets see a picture of your car Burt. I thought you were kicked off this site and I will thank you to not send me nasty PMs in disguise as your crack.

I agree although I don't see why the part would be different. The difference between the two pictures is just one is an innie and one is an outie.

Mckrack IS the idiot, Burt Diamond! He's just trying to start another one of the "cardogman" arguments. Same deal with the shift boot thread. I thought you were kicked off this site, Burt.

Oscillator for the two knob rally clock please!

A used original is proabably worth no more than a new aftermarket. It all depends on the condition. The last price I heard (well over a year ago) for a new original was $1,000.

Congrats, Alan!

You still looking Victor? Sounds like me and women!

Yes it will fit and it is extremely valuable in America. I have a friend with a 2 liter looking for one of these and I will gladly trade you a 2400 valve cover for it. PM me. Chris

Thanks for the update! I'm a big fan of the paint codes page and you did a great job putting it together in the first place!

Ok! I'll get back to the topic after a comment about 26th and matching numbers. 26th was supposedly built in 11/69 and she was delivered on 4/70 with engine number 2338. I have all the papers. 27th has no papers but was supposedly built in 10/69 and her engine number is 2162. Splane that one, Datsunites! I say "supposedly" because that is the date on the door jamb tag. The engine bay tag lists the chassis serial number as well as the engine number and "matching numbers" means that the number stamped on the block and the number stamped on the firewall match the tag in the engine bay. Engine numbers don't match chassis numbers. Will, I am always hard pressed to put application dates on these parts. About the best I can seem to do is associate early and late. But your idea could be a thesis project! I can think of all sorts of parts. There is a third type of seat belt hook; a metal one covered in black plastic. How about the rubber hood adjustment bumbers? Early chrome Z quarter panel emblems - hollow and solid cast. I think you can still buy coat hook buttons from http://www.z-tekmfg.com/cat1.html Great project! Do I understand this correctly; these parts all have the same part #?

I believe windshields from Nissan are no longer available. The last one I saw came from Japan at around $1,000 delivered.

Alan, Just a poke of Z fun and I know exactly what you speak about. Over the past few years, I have taken great delight from learning about the cars that never arrived in America and thus what made the American exports the popular cars they came to be. I find it highly ironic that a society so engrossed in options and luxuries received the basic stripped down version and point to this as evidence of how unsure Nissan was of their world marketing ideas at the time. Thanks for posting the pages of model information again. My last post came from those references. It seems I have made a mistake. I said that the correct way to designate the HLS30 U was with a space as the parts manuals I have indicate such for the four-speed transmission type. However, to answer Dan's question I see the information typed differently on the only source I have indicating the U, UV, and UN suffix. I'll have to go looking for the other thread you speak about, Alan. Research through the parts manuals will provide evidence of the various parts associated with the Canadian and California variants. Chris

Enrique, Alan is only partly correct with his "encompassing" description of the HLS30U. I would never jump down Alan's case like he does to me about something like this. I'm what is know as "rice rocket appreciative" and take his comments within the intent of his conversation. Happy New Year, Alan! The HLS30 U is the general designation of the cars exported to North America. The HLS30 UN went to Canada. The HLS30 UV was specifically sold in California and because of the numbers of cars sold in California, probably makes up the configuration of most of the cars we see. The plain HLS30 U, like 26th, is the standard "Federal" car imported in the United States. I have the papers from 26th. She was imported in Jacksonville. If 27th was imported in New Jersey, she would be an HLS30 U also. Few know that I also own 403rd and in all probablility was an HLS30 UN. Generally speaking, the difference is that the UNs got higher amp generators and starters and the UV cars had different emmissions parts. HLS30 Us that came equipped with an automatic transmission were HLS30AUs, or HLS30AUVs, or HLS30AUNs. The five-speed transmission was designated with the letter F which would derive a designation along the lines of HLS30FU. For the four-speed equipped North American export version the correctest way to type the designation would be with a space indication such as HLS30 U. 26th's correct title is HLS30 U-00026. So! The "other" model designations came the same way and as much as Alan has tried to explain it to me, I am confused as hell also! The S30 and the HS30 came in two variations based on finished trim; what we would consider "options", not export destination. The "ZL" we speak about is a description of the delux version which included such items as headlight covers, 8-track player, foot rest, carpet, etc. The S30 and the HS30 were fitted with five-speeds and the delux finish whereas the S30S was fitted with the four-speed and no "options". It is the S30S which most resembles the HLS30 U. The HS30s came with a five-speeds. The same suffix A indicates the automatic trans. The PS30 and PS30SB represent the Z432 with an S20 engine in delux format and racing version accordingly. The "ZG" is similarly designated HS30H and HS30HA. Note that there is no HS30HS. One only got the delux version in either five-speed or automatic. Hope that helps.

Will, That picture I sent to you was just the only picture I had available of an early seat belt buckle. It didn't come off 26th. And the reason I took the picture was because of the oddity - a later date on an early buckle. Chris

Just got my calendar from the Z Car Club of Northern Virginia. I am in the September picture judging the Gold Medalion winner from the Dallas convention. It's a real nice club calendar with a lot of member cars from this club.

The matchbook texture you describe, Dan, is the result of lacquer paint.

You are correct, the color name is Racing Green and it would be very difficult to compare it to the obscure terminology of "British Racing Green" other than to say, yes, it's the same. 907 is correctly described - http://zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/index.html The Racing Green color scheme came with both black and butterscotch (tan) interior.

Same thing Dan just said. And yea, they are all from Japan...Merry Christmas, Alan!

I was surprised to see your figure as low as it is, Tom, but you hit all the high points including the two "grand statements"! I would comment to throw in the cost of a trailer and tow vehicle, spare wheels and tires, supplies. F Prepared today is very much like what F Production was to me years ago when Zs were in C Production. I marvel at what it would cost me to go road racing today. Good answer!

The Z is a world class sports car. A sports GT. Always has been. Still is. It has an incredible history - world wide. A great deal of that history is the "American story". My special greetings to Kats from whom I always enjoy hearing! I like to think that the line between what we "believe" is a grey shadow of a line and most around this web site talk about the American version simply for ease of discussion purposes. It is easy to loose sight of the big picture as most of us have only the local cars to deal with. Local issues. Local questions. However, one cannot escape the big picture if we are to discuss the peculiarities of our local cars. It is true that Nissan was seeking to expand its market to significant export around the time of the Z conception, however when one considers just exactly how the North American export cars were configured, the whole idea that the Z was intended soley for American consumption blows off the wings of a kite. In this thread, "Series" can have a deeper meaning when all the elements of design and marketing thought are taken into consideration. We don't have any clear records to point to. We have a lot of evidence to present in our particular point of view. We even prioritise our evidence to strengthen our case. So be it. We see all sorts of build peculiarities for all sorts of reasons and it is a gas to sit around and discuss them. Clear glass, hatch vents, chassis reinforcement, sway bar mounts etc. all come with a stronger meaning when consideration is given to the whole group - the whole "family". S30, S30-S, PS30, HS30, and HLS30. Personally, I just can't get over why we didn't get the ZL, the 432, or the ZG. Cry'n shame.