Everything posted by Matthew Abate
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
I just switched to OEM flasher relays and tried it with the LEDs still installed. No change. The lights come on but don’t flash. Then I pulled the LEDs and put incandescent bulbs in, which totally fixed it. So it’s the flashers and/or the LEDs and not the wiring. I am going to try swapping the wires over the weekend and putting the LEDs back in (no time right now. Work deadlines). If that fixes it I’ll just leave it like that until I get around to buying new relays.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
Okay, found my first error. The flashers aren’t flashing. I had replaced both the TS flasher and the hazard flasher with one of these LED-specific flasher relays. When the switch is thrown the lights come on, but they are just on, no flashing. Unplug the flasher and there are no lights, which makes sense because the circuit is broken in that scenario. I swapped an aftermarket replacement for the stock one into the spot for the turn signals, but there was no change. I haven’t had a chance to get to the one for the hazards yet. Any thoughts? Edit: After looking at the spec diagram on the red relays and comparing the marking on the original relays, I’ve found that the polarity is backwards. This flasher relay has the pins flipped from the one I am using and is the one I should have bought. Maybe if I swap the wires in the connector it will fix it. I just blanked on checking this.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
I have lights. No one is going to not see this thing. These LEDs are significantly brighter than the lights on my Subaru. Unfortunately, somewhere between testing it on the bench and installing the dash, the speedo and tach illumination stopped working. I think the main branch of wiring coming out of the dimmer is messed up. I also don’t have any blinkers for some reason. That one is going to be harder to figure out. Worst case scenario is that I made a mistake in the engine harness.
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Nabco vs Tokico 15/16 Brake MC Pistons
The stop screw catches the rear (left in photo below) piston in the narrower part between the seals, right? I noticed that space on the Tokico kit (bottom) is longer than the Nabco version (top). There’s also more fluid in that area because the piston is narrower there. The front (right in photo) piston is also narrower on the Tokico, but otherwise those are really similar in length. Virtually the same. I wonder if the Tokico works in the Nabco but not the other way around.
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Nabco vs Tokico 15/16 Brake MC Pistons
I considered putting this in the ZX section but I thought the brake specific section would be better due to all the upgrade threads. I was wondering if anyone has tried or knows what happens if you try to use the pistons from a Tokico master cylinder rebuild kit in a Nabco MC. looking at them side by side they are clearly different, but only just. It make be hard to see in the photo but there are small differences in the measurements between them (dirty is Nabco, shiny/bagged is Tokico). The overall length looks the same. I haven’t measured them yet so can’t give you precise numbers.
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1973 Rebuild
I was able to get these out with a small hook. I think the corrosion was holding them in. Once I got it open I found out I have the wrong rebuild kit. I have 46020-C6126, which is for the Tokico . This is a Nabco, which uses totally different residual valves. I think the kit part number is 46011-P6525.
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1973 Rebuild
The 7-piece kit, black 80/20 loop. When I spoke to them they said that was better feel than “OEM” and better wearing that cut pile. It does have good feel.
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1973 Rebuild
They only showed two kit options when I looked for 240zs. There are several fabric and color options though. https://newarkauto.com/pages/search?Make/Datsun/Model/240Z/Year/1973 ••• By the way, does anyone know how to pull the residual valves (the black cones) out of a 15/16 Nabco master cylinder? The ones in the rebuild kit are not threaded. I’m assuming it’s some kind of press fit situation.
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1973 Rebuild
They have this kit and one with several more pieces, which I assumed was for 280zs.
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1973 Rebuild
Okay, it’s been a minute so this post will be all over the place… I’m going to start with baby steps that feel like giant steps. I was able to install the left side headlight bucket. It seems small, but I hadn’t been able to get to all of the weatherstripping that goes under the fender so I put it off. This was the first time I’d seen it together (on one side) since it came back from the painter. I found there was a sizable gap between the bucket and the fiberglass air dam and I didn’t know how far the dam was going to flex. It ended up working out when I got the blinkers on, but it’s not a crisp clean fit. More on that later. ••• I didn’t do a great job documenting this, but I did a complete refurb of my marker lights and turn signals, inside and out. Left side is before, right side is stage 2 of the 3 step polish. The left front TS and three of the marker lights were pretty beat up. The white plastic was nearly brown inside and the mirror of the fronts and metal housings of the marker lights were all rusted. I stripped these pieces and painted the metal parts with highly reflective silver spray paint. The plastic housing I sprayed white inside and left the outside raw, painting the mirror the same as the marker lights housings. The lenses were sanded with 400 grit wet/dry paper, then up through 5,000 grit, and finally polished with Novus plastic polish. Surprisingly, I was able to reuse all of the OEM rubber parts. They just needed scrubbing with a green scotch bright pad. I decided to replace all of the hardware with stainless bolts instead of sheet metal screws because the right rear screws are uncomfortably close to the fuel vapor hoses. I wasn’t able to get JIS screws quickly enough so I just went with generic M5 cap head bolts, with fender washers and lock nuts on the inside. The ones in back got rubber caps on the bolts, too, just to be safe. All of the wiring and connectors for these were replaced. The OEM sockets and rubber boots were refurbished. I ran out of bullet connectors so I used Yamaha sealed connectors for the front marker lights. I’m a bit bummed that the rubber covers from Vintage Connectors for the turn signals are so short. I’m wondering if I need to do something like wrap them in tape to keep the water out. The bulbs are color matched LEDs from Super Bright LEDs, which I think look nicer than using white ones under the colored lenses. The color is much richer while still being… uh, super bright. The gaps around the air dam closed up a bit after I got all of the hardware on, but the curves of each piece (headlight bucket, air dam, and blinker housing) don’t match, which is irritating. I’m hoping it will disappear once the bumper is on. ••• I FINALLY finished my throttle cable setup. I looked at a bunch of off the shelf options and a few specifically for Z cars, but the prices and not quite being what I wanted pushed me into making my own. The two challenging pieces were the bulkhead and the bracket. I made the bulkhead out of a stainless steel drain plug that a friend drilled out and tapped for me on his lathe. We broke a tap and probably dulled a second to the point of not being usable any more. If I did it again I would use aluminum. It’s held on with an M18 nut and has the cable adjuster for a triumph motorcycle brake lever screwed into it for the cable sleeve. That’s probably also unnecessary as I could have made the bulkhead so it acted as the cable sleeve seat on its own. The bracket was another Send Cut Send job. I had to wait until everything else was figured out to design and order it, but I made four versions with the hole for the throttle cable adjuster at various heights. I opted for the second tallest, but I’ll change it if this ends up feeling wrong. I’m definitely going to have to ad a bend along the long edge to reduce flexing. I went with a progressive cam from @duffymahoney and had to make sure there is no interference when all said and done. The shortest bracket looked the best but was uncomfortably close to the cam at full throttle. All of the cable bits and pieces I got from Venhill Engineering for a song. The reason there are two adjusters in the photo is so the bracket can also hold the choke cable, which I am repurposing to operate the starter valves on the Mikunis. I doubt I’ll ever use them but I don’t like having inoperable parts in the car. The cable is affixed to the ball socket by a m5 lamp bolt that was decapitated, crimped to the cable, rethreaded, and soldered. So yeah, the throttle half of this project is done for now. I just need to change the screw holding the cable to the cam to be a set crew, cut the excess cable, and cap it off so it won’t fray. The bracket will definitely need to be stiffer, but that’s for later. ••• Unfortunately I keep forgetting to take pictures, but I can show you how I ran the AC drain so it minimizes the size of the lump when I install the transmission hump upholstery. The Vintage Air evaporator came with a black hose, but I swapped it out for some hose with a thicker side wall, which should keep it from compressing under the upholstery and inhibiting the flow of condensation. A nozzle connects to the hose with a 1/2” barbed splice fitting. The black piece is from sun roof drains on GM and other vehicles and its X-shaped aperture should create a Venturi effect when mounted perpendicular to air flow to pull water out and prevent anything from traveling back up the hose. Pretty generic and available on Amazon for a few bucks. I cut the insulation to make a channel for the hose to rest in. A 5/8” hole and some RTV to make sure it doesn’t pop out and I’m good to go. I also finished the passenger side door window and the rest of the interior firewall work the same day. Now to check the refrigerant plumbing for air leaks. 👍🏻 ••• After I was finally able to get all of the firewall work done, I put the dash in and plugged it all together. Nothing major to report since I’ve discussed the details in previous posts. This time I took more care to tuck the wiring away nicely. The few loose ends are wire for a set of foot well lights that are switched at the doors, a feed for a USB plug I intend to put in the center console, and the power/ground and control wires for the evaporator. The biggest challenge was getting it back in with the air ducts installed. This corrugated tubing from Vintage Air is nice but it’s not flattened/ovular like the OEM stuff so it requires some persuading. I still think it’s better, though. It’s tough to see in the center but it’s really well fit to the evaporator without any clamps, which keeps it clean and free of things to chafe of the hose or wiring looms. I’m hoping a harness cover will clean up the mess around the relays, but I’m going to zip tie some of this up tight before any cowls or covers go on. ••• And here it’s starting to feel like a car! Or, at least I am staring to get some storage space back. 🤣 I’m really pleased with how the Vintage Dashes dashboard looks. The glove box door needs adjusting, but after hitting the finisher with some Landau Black SEM Color Coat it all came together. It seems the internet was correct about that being the right color. I’d heard these aftermarket windshield gaskets leave a bit to be desired compared to OEM, and it’s true, but I think you can finesse it into shape. The gaps in the corners were really bad until I put the steel trim in. That stretched them out a bit, but it’s not perfect. I’ll let it settle for a while and then might just pump the gaps full of weather strip adhesive until it’s filled in. Speaking of steel trim, that’s a fun chore. 🙄 ••• My spare tire cover was FILTHY. Luckily it cleaned up well and didn’t pucker or warp. The orange flecks in the fiber board are a nice touch. ••• Lights! No before pictures but here’s everything put together. I used the same process on the lenses as the blinkers. The housings were scrubbed and then wiped lightly with acetone to get the last of the adhesive off. Thankfully I didn’t need to recondition the mirrors. The center lug on the replacement chrome trim is too short to function as the only fastener holding everything together. I used a M5 threaded socket left over from installing the blinkers along with a rubber washer. It worked fabulously, but I think it would be really easy to screw up if over tightened. No wiring yet. I just wanted to close up the cabin for the next step. ••• Looking clean figuratively and literally. I picked up the basic carpet set from Newark Auto in black 80/20 loop. It’s really nicely made, but I don’t think it’s meant to go with an insulation kit like the one I have. There are a few places where it would have fit better if there was no insulation, and there are a few places where it is just straight up wrong. Overall give it a 89 or 91 out of 100. Worth it but could be improved. I’ll be using the vinyl kit from MSA on the sides. I’m going to cross my fingers and hope my original interior pieces clean up nicely. I just put them straight into storage without unpacking them when I bought the car, so who knows what shape their in. If they suck I’ll be new replacements. But yeah, the car is starting to feel like a car.
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1973 Rebuild
That’s the idea! I was given one of theirs jump starters as a joke/gift a while ago. It is kind of amazing. I picked this up with their Genius 10 trickle charger, which will work through the cigar lighter in cars where it’s not switched.
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1973 Rebuild
I needed to tweak my hold down bracket a bit but this Noco NLX24 look and fits great! Yes, it’s a Group 24 but the top is 12mm smaller in both directions so it needs shimming. I bought a sheet of 6mm thick rubber and sliced shims for the top, which I held in place with some RTV. I cut the leftovers into pads to raise the battery 6mm so the bracket is horizontal. Fits like it’s supposed to be there. I just need to get the ground strap back on, which will be a cinch since this has four posts. Good stuff.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
Okay, all of my dashboard wiring is finished. The AILD-1 is being controlled by the OEM rheostat and dimming the lights. I’m a little disappointed that the LEDs don’t seem to come to full brightness. I ran into this issue with another PWM, but the guy who made this one said it can be trained, so I’m hoping he can help me figure out how to fix that. After messing around with a few different methods, I decided to secure it to the inside of the dash with adhesive Velcro. I made a separate harness for it that taps into one of the ground wires for the instruments and the fiber optic light module. The rheostat is completely isolated on the blue and green wires and it’s only function is controlling the PWM. The wires that used to go to the rheostat now go to a connector for that harness. Here are the instruments turned down to zero and the fiber optic light (and all the other lights) still at 100%.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
I did a quick sketch of the wiring for the AILD-1 PWM. I'm waiting for a fuse holder in the mail and then I'll make a sub-harness for it.
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1973 240z center console fog light switch?
Leaning that direction. Not at all! Super helpful. My car is an August ‘73 car so maybe I DO need 25370-E8701, but the console might not be original. My only remaining question is what did they do about the trim plate? Did they cut a hole in it? Was there an alternate one they used in its place that had a hole for the switch? Cutting the existing plate would be awkward as it has TWO impressions implying deleted switches, but you can only put one switch there. Maybe that impression is for a sticker with a Fog Light icon, similar to the sticker on the dash for the hazard switch. I also wouldn’t trust the dealer to do it well.
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1973 240z center console fog light switch?
I’ve asked this question on two other forums and people keep telling me it’s for the defroster and not a fog light switch, thinking that I’m asking about the 70-71 cars. Those photos are to illustrate how the defroster switches differ from the illustration. Im also assuming it’s a Niles switch like most of the rest of them. I haven’t seen any Niles rocker switches for other cars, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s it was in something else, too.
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1973 Rebuild
No, I had a few made off the code on the door locks. The hatch, glove box, and ignition were all out of other cars, hence rekeying all of them. But the cylinder comes out without the key. I’m just using it to illustrate how the wafers stuck out before and didn’t after. The latch is what keeps it in the housing. By the way, I don’t know if it’s difficult to get the pin back in of your pull it completely, but you don’t need to do that to get the latch off.
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1973 Rebuild
Before I finish up the wiring for the dashboard I want to make sure I’ve done everything in there so I don’t have to pull it again. One of the loose ends I had was to rekey the glove box lock. @inline6 pointed out that it’s a breeze once you drive the pin that holds the latch in. Take the cylinder out, swap the wafers to match your key, put the spring in, and replace the cylinder. There’s only one way to put it together once you put the latch in, so then just line up the holes and drive the pin back in. Easy.
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1973 240z center console fog light switch?
Nobody? Maybe @HS30-H or @Zed Head?
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1973 240z center console fog light switch?
I’m looking for photographs (and a part number) for the fog light switch and trim bezel that mount on the center console in 1973 240Zs. It replaces the Z trim plate that is welded to the plastic just in front of the ash tray and to the right of the choke lever. I’ve never seen a picture of one of these, but I know that’s where it goes because it is referenced in the description of the trim plate on the Motorsport site. There are also provisions for screws to attach a switch and a hole in the console where the switch would pass through. Sorry for the blur. I don’t know if the trim plate that’s welded to the console would have been cut to make the switch fit, or if they removed it entirely and replaced it with something else. The trim plate has two impressions that imply space for two switches, but the underside of the console only looks like it can take one. Maybe it was a single unit with two switches. The fog light switch depicted in the literature is different from the illuminated yellow rear defroster switch for this car. It’s also different from the black ones that went in the earlier cars with two choke levers. This switch has the mounting tabs for the screws horizontally positioned like one version of the yellow defroster switch, but with no illumination. Fog light switch Illuminated defroster switch with horizontal mounts Illuminated defroster switch with vertical mounts Early defrost switch with vertical mounts I’d love to get my hands on the correct fog switch, but I’m guessing they’re unobtainium these days. If I can’t I’ll try repurposing a defroster switch.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
Well, apparently there was nothing wrong. User error? I just tested everything and the only relay not clicking is the intermittent relay. I can hear the rear fuel pump running (that may need some sound proofing), the headlight relay is switching for both low and high beams. The horn relay is clicking, and the accessory relay is clicking. I have another intermittent relay, so if I’m not getting any voltage at the wiper motor plug I’m going to swap them to see if that makes a difference. I still need to check the two flashers, the choke/heater relay, and the buzzer, but I don’t have enough of the components assembled to do that yet. Otherwise it’s on to the next step of checking voltage at all of the light connectors. After that I’ll see if it starts from the key.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
I thought my grounds were solid but maybe not. I can’t work on it tonight but tomorrow I’ll go around and check. Im confident about everything in the engine bay. Inside the cabin might be less solid.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
Checked the fusible link this morning. It’s fine. One thing I realized is that I’m thinking of the combo switch wrong. It’s Off, PARK, Headlights. Not Off, Low, High. I’ll start over with my testing. There may be nothing wrong with the wiring. That doesn’t explain the low voltage and lack of continuity at the switch, though.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
Yes. As far as I can tell it is a ‘73 combo switch. It was fine after I rebuilt it. Now I’m not getting any continuity. Maybe something wasn’t secure inside and fell out of place. Maybe I’m tired and had the multimeter set wrong.
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1973 240z Custom Wiring From Scratch
Alright. One problem solved, two problems uncovered. 🙄 The headlight relay is all wired up. Once I finished this I started testing. I got nothing when set to OFF (good), nothing when set to LOW (bad), and the relay clicked when set to HIGH (good). I pulled out the meter and checked continuity on the relay with the wires on. s1 to B, s2 to B, s1 to s2 all connect as they should. S to L1, S to L2, and L1 to L2 all connect as they should. My continuity from s1 and s2 to the two dash harness wires at the combo switch is good for both R/b and R/w. But now I’m getting no continuity between any of the three wires coming out of the combo switch in ANY position (Off, Low, or High). That doesn’t make sense because High was tripping the relay before. Then I went to check voltage running through the relay and now I’m getting nothing at the relay. So I checked voltage from the battery (12.67) and voltage coming out of the engine harness in the cabin from the alternator and starter wires. 0.06 volts. The only thing I can think of is that the fusible link blew. I need to do kid bedtime stuff now so I’ll check that in the morning.