Everything posted by inline6
-
Quaife LSD Installation in R180 - With Questions About Installation Also
Oops - yes, I entered the wrong number there. The washer is .126" not .140" thick. I fixed it in my post above. When I was in grade school, we were taught the metric system because we were taught also that America would be transitioning over the next couple of decades. That did not happen, however. I found a comment from a machinist friend of mine about the metric system to be interesting. He said that the tolerances typically used for machining (thousandths of an inch) did not have a good equivalent in the metric system. Consider: So, when working with tolerances of thousandths or "tenths" (.0001") for machined parts, how well does the metric system work?
-
Quaife LSD Installation in R180 - With Questions About Installation Also
Yep - understood. I found this listing of part numbers (Subaru) - only the yellow highlighted ones sh ow as available: To make matters worse, I measured my shim's thickness today while off of the pinion shaft, and it is only 0.126" thick - not the 0.140" I measured before. So, the one that is coming (if it is coming) is many sizes thicker. I wonder if it would be a bad idea to surface grind the new washer to bring it to the necessary thickness after determining what that is with the shim stock from Amazon?
-
Quaife LSD Installation in R180 - With Questions About Installation Also
Just spent a couple of hours trying to find shims from other applications that would work, but I didn't find anything.
-
Quaife LSD Installation in R180 - With Questions About Installation Also
Thanks for the suggestions everyone! Unexpectedly, the order the shim was on has shipped! I am suspicious, however. I think they may have let the 90 day time frame they originally quoted for the "national backorder" run out and then crossed that shim off the order and shipped the rest (some side shims). I don't know that though. I will have to see what shows up. In the meantime, I was able to remove the rear pinion bearing today and free the existing shim for measuring and test filing: Shaft collar side and gear side, respectively: The OD is 53-54 mm and the ID is 35 mm. With regard to filing, I ran a fine single cut file across the surface of the left picture very lightly and it immediately started removing the dark coloring from the outer edge of the shim. I want to say that where the "collar" contacts... or sits against the shim, it is now lower (compressed?) than the outer edges of the shim. I did not want to, nor did I file more than a few light strokes on the surface of the shim. I also note some very light chaffing on the surface of the shim. I suspect that would be hard to achieve on a "hard" shim. I think this thing is actually pretty soft, for whatever that is worth.
-
Quaife LSD Installation in R180 - With Questions About Installation Also
Hmmm. Running into a snag on the ones in Japan. Looks like they are for an R200 pinion. I assume they are different than the R180 ones. Link shows application. https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/nissan-washer-adj-drve~38154-p6034.html
-
Quaife LSD Installation in R180 - With Questions About Installation Also
So, it would appear that as of right now, I have options of: Buying the shim from an active auction (in Japan) Measuring the "id" and "od" of the existing shim and attempting to cross reference with shims available for other vehicle differentials - to get a suitable stack of shims that can replace the existing one Finding a suitably hard .003" shim to add to the existing one Having custom shims made Finding a suitably hard .003" may not be possible, however.
-
Quaife LSD Installation in R180 - With Questions About Installation Also
The shim I have on order from Subaru still hasn't shipped. At the time of my order, they indicated it was on national backorder and provided an eta of 90 days (they have no clue when it will be available again). That 90 days is up in a couple of days. I expect they will contact me to say it hasn't come in and I can either cancel my order or wait another 90 days. So, I find myself thinking of other options. Any engineers on here have thoughts on using a shim like this? https://www.amazon.com/Precision-Carbon-Assortment-Temper-Chemistry/dp/B00065UXD8/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Steel+Shim+.003&qid=1703611083&s=industrial&sr=1-3 My thought is to use the existing shim I have, plus another shim or shims made from this shim material. I would put the new shim under the existing one to change the location of the pinion gear height in the case. For example, I would make a .003" shim from the new shim material, and then place it here on the pinion assembly:
-
Parts for Sale: Free 240 Z parts for the cost of shipping. I will mail and then let you know cost.
Hey Mike, does the roof still have a good head liner on it?
-
12/70 original spare tire - DOT 149
-
12/70 original spare tire - DOT 149
Here are some more pictures of my spare. VIN HLS16530 - 12/70: High resolution front and back: I claim that I have the earliest Toyo Z tire for 240z's still in existence - someone prove me wrong!
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Yes, they are. Thank you!
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
I wasn't able to spend much time working on the car today. Just a few pics: I used silicone rubber between the master vac and the firewall to keep water from finding its way into the car in the future. I like how the master vac paint came out. I was able to save the original master vac sticker. I also pulled out the box of OEM rubber items that came with the car. I put the main hatch seal in place all the way around the hatch opening (without glue) and shut the hatch on it. I will leave it like that for a few days, which ought to help it relax/fit the opening a bit better than straight out of the bag. I also started assembling the headlight buckets with the new bits I got from 240zrubberparts.com. I bought the headlight harness rebuild kits, which include new rubber grommets to keep water from entering at the point where the wires go inside the bucket, new sleeves for the wiring, and new rubber enclosures for the plastic connector. Can anyone tell me which ends is supposed to have the yellow tape (bucket side or harness connector side? And finally, I also changed out my signature picture with a small version of this pic:
-
12/70 original spare tire - DOT 149
Thanks for all of that info. So, what can we conclude about my Toyo Z radial spare tire? Is it possible that Toyo was using the 3 digit dating system before it became standardized? Or, is my tire from the 14th week of... 1979?
-
12/70 original spare tire - DOT 149
I have been searching for an original tire for my 6/1971 240z which I am restoring. I have read through all the threads I can find about what tires the 240z's came with originally (Bridgestone or Toyo). I knew my other 240z (track day car) still had the original spare tire in it, so I took a fresh look at it. I was surprised to see that the date code is 149 (fourteenth week of 1969). That is a lot earlier than I expected for the car given its 12/70 door tag date. It seems unlikely that it would have been swapped out for an earlier tire at some point. Anyone else see that kind of wide date range difference comparing your original spare tire and the manufacture month of your car?
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Upon closer examination of the both the alternator that came with the car, and the new replacement, I found the lower mounting holes to be more similar in ID than I thought. They measured out at about .400" ID for the old one and about .410" ID for the new (rebuilt one). I used a 27/64ths drill bit (.420") to enlarge the holes on the rebuilt alternator so I could install some split sleeves I bought from McMaster-Carr. I had to shorten the spacers a bit to fit the tabs on the alternator. Doing what I have done here with spacers is not actually necessary, but I am glad I went this route. You can see the impression of the threads in the old alternator bolt holes from the way it was installed before. With the sleeve, things were tightened up nicely. What I did not count on was that the distance between the alternator mounting tabs was about .015" narrower than the alternator bracket. How frustrating is that, when you go to bolt an alternator on one of these cars, and it isn't a "bolt on" part?! I very carefully hand filed the inside surfaces of the mounting ears of the alternator. Lots of measuring with calipers... with very careful filing. Even after the spacing was correct, and I could get the alternator to slide tightly onto the mounting bracket, the rear tab would not align so I could thread the bolt in. I thought for a moment that I must have filed the inner surfaces out of plane. But, then I slid my Exact-o knife (aluminum bar in the pic) through both mounting ear holes and saw the issue (middle pic below). You can see that it is at an angle. When rebuilt, the front and rear case halves were assembled "cocked". I loosened the three bolts that held the front and back together, aligned the holes in the mounting ears and retightened the the bolts. In the third picture here, you can see how the Exact-o knife (bar) is square after re-alignment. Installation went perfectly after that. Next, I cut replacement rubber shields for the inner fender supports. I sourced this rubber sheet from McMaster-Carr as well. After that, I unpacked the Suspension Techniques front anti-roll bar and hardware. Installation went very smoothly. While part of me wants to have the car look 100% stock, I really don't want to drive a 100% stock 240z. The four speed, the 4.5" wide wheels, and the stock suspension are... not great. I have never run this combination of suspension parts: (ST springs and front and rear bars, with "the new" yellow Koni shocks). It will be interesting to see how this car drives when it is fully assembled. Next, I pulled the restored front turn signal assemblies out of storage and grabbed the re-plated hardware for them. It is very satisfying to assemble and install parts like this which need little or no additional work.
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Thanks for the reminder. All of the control arm bushings/bolts are still very loose. I will wait until the car is fully assembled to do that.
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
With the left front strut on the car finally, I was able to move forward with getting the front suspension assembled. I also put the outer tie rods on, and the front brake calipers, little "s" hard lines and brake hoses. I also removed the steering rack clamps and took a couple of pictures of them, trying to capture the differences from front and rear that I saw. I hadn't torqued the brake caliper "bridge" bolts (the ones with T 10 on them), so I did that (~39 ft-lbs.) before installing the calipers. The "s" hard lines required a lot of fiddling. Literally every hard line I sent to get plated got "jacked up" - I don't know why. For the steering rack "clamps", I didn't see a difference in the "arch" portion. Instead, I noted that the angle of the "feet" is different. In these first two pictures, you can see that one "foot" sits flat, whereas the other, does not. I also think I see that one "foot" is slightly longer than the other - in the third pic here, the "foot" on the right has a bit more length from the hole to where it starts sloping upwards. I found it difficult to install them incorrectly. The back bolt won't thread easily into the bracket if you have it reversed (front to back). I found the best fit by placing the longer "foot" it in the back location. After completing these things, I was able to set the car down on all four wheels for the first time in 5 years! Even with the Suspension Techniques springs, the car looks like it's four wheel drive. Bummer. Part of the issue is there is still a fair amount of weight that is not yet on the car. It has none of the interior, none of the glass, none of the door hardware, no hood, no bumpers, etc. I hope that additional weight will make a big difference. However, I think the tires I bought are part of the issue. They are 195/55-16, which have a 24.4 inch diameter, whereas the stock tire diameter was 25.3 inches. So, not quite 1/2 of an inch of tire is "missing" from the wheel well. I'll see how it looks when it is fully assembled and has been driven for a few hundred miles. If it still looks awkward, I will swap the tires out for something a bit bigger. Starting to come together though!
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Yeah, it is not obvious which is the right torque value. I decided to try to save the strut insert and spent a couple of hours giving careful attention to the threads. I used this tool which is for repairing threads: Using a lot of patience, I kept at it until the new coupler nut would thread on without difficulty. Here's how it looked after all that effort - these pictures capture how it looks all the way around the circumference. While not "great", the threads look better than before. Also, note that the 4 to 5 threads just above the spacer (a bit more than a 1/4") were not mangled because the thickness of the isolator stacked on the spacer protected them. As I examined the situation, I determined that I could "alter" things a little bit, so I could utilize those threads. Basically, by shortening the spacer, the isolator can slide down further on the shaft and expose those threads to the fastener. I started by putting tape on the shaft to mark the area that I needed to grind to fit the "D" in the upper strut mount isolator. And, I taped off the adjustment mechanism to keep metal dust from getting into it. After using a belt sander to grind the "flat" in the shaft a little lower, I had to remove the same length of material from the bottom of the spacer. I don't have a lathe, so I had to be very careful with grinding. After removing some length, I very, very carefully used the side (which I have never used) of my 8" bench grinder wheel and kept measuring with vernier calipers until the cut side was square with the non-cut side. Then, I chamfered edges (middle pic). The shortened spacer length matches the shaft again (third pic here): Final pics, with the third pic here showing the coupler nut after shortening it also. I could have shortened the spacer and the nut a bit more to pick up another couple of good threads. However, given that the original nut only engaged about 7 threads, and this one engages more than double that (though some are in very bad shape), I felt grabbing those last two was not necessary. Today, I assembled the strut, put it on the car, and used that same torque wrench to set the nut to 37 ft lbs without any issue whatsoever. I used a good bit of blue Locktight, which will keep the nut from backing off. I plan to check the torque on that nut repeatedly as I put the first 500 to 1000 miles on the car. If it turns when retorqueing or feels odd at all, I will swap the insert for a new one.
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Appreciate the info and thanks for the support. I don't want to say, but it is accurate to say... that for that one nut, I know I tightened it more than the 37 ft-lbs. It just became obvious from my experience of torqueing fasteners, even though the digital torque wrench failed to indicate when I hit 37 ft-lbs. It has an "auto off" feature after about a minute of time to save battery life, so maybe it turned itself off before I used it on that nut. However, I still believe I was being exceedingly careful and believe I checked the display to confirm the correct setting just before attempting to torque that nut. As far as the directions go, I definitely did not like them. There were hardly any words... an over reliance on pictures. Saves on translation, but doesn't convey info precisely either. I already mentioned that I used coolant in the strut tubes originally because of the snowflake symbol. So, now take a look at this and tell me what you would torque the nut that is supplied with the struts to. I will give you a start with the threads being 12M X 1.25 and a picture of the supplied nut: Think everyone gets it?
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Heard. Die was supposed to be delivered yesterday. Tracking from USPS still just shows "in transit". Lame. Trying to accept my fate. With all the money I am spending on this car, another $190 isn't the end of the world, but the dollars aren't fully my issue either. I hate the waste of an otherwise new and perfect strut insert. 😞
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
I read about the galling issue in that first link. I also read Koni's response and decided that they wouldn't have supplied nuts that were not correct for the application. FWIW, they say they are chrome plated steel and not stainless. And, I was determined to be careful to go slowly and to not over torque them to avoid problems. I blame the digital torque wrench for having an intermittent failure. But, that doesn't help me now. With about a 1/4 of the threads on the shaft machined off, one would think that a taller nut engaging more of the threads might be a good idea to help prevent damaging the threads when some amount of over torque occurs? But yeah, once the threads get wrecked, there is a bunch of metal floating around between the nut and the shaft threads. And evidently, it is certain that a stainless nut (if it is) exacerbates the problem of getting the nut off because of heat. Is the shaft stainless? If so, why would Koni supply these nuts? It is a mistake?
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Unfortunately in this instance, the Koni struts I am using have their adjustment done by a nipple at the top of the strut shaft, so no place for an allen wrench there. I get sick when I look at these pictures, but here we go: With this close up, they all look like garbage to me other than the few at the bottom which are not accessed because of the material thickness of the spacer, upper spring perch and upper strut mounts respectively. Come to think of it, I might be able to machine a bit off the spacer to raise the shaft a bit (looks like a quarter inch, to access those good threads at the bottom. If the coupler nut can access all of those, and the garbage ones in the middle, along with the "somewhat still there" at the top, then I might be able to salvage this debacle. The nut doesn't look great, but threads are still mostly there. I have already chase this with a 12M X1.25 tap because I have one. I am waiting on the die to arrive to chase the threads for the shaft. In other news, I gave some attention to the wiper motor, motor mounting bracket, and motor harness tonight. Two of the grommets from 240zrubberparts.com were not as thick as the originals. I chose to use the old ones (just two of four) because there are metal sleeves that go in the center of them. I could have ground the metal sleeves down to match the thickness of the new ones, but my original rubber grommets were in fair condition. So, I used them instead. The original plastic connector was yellowed with age and brittle. So I replaced that. While doing so, I put on the new rubber grommet for the wiring from 240zrubberparts.com I was a bit surprised when I opened up the cover for the wiper motor - It was very clean inside. Being a car from Arizona, and off the road/stored for 28 years in Colorado, I think the motor has seen little use. As I found it: I cleaned the main gear shaft with #000 stainless steel wool, and then lubed the shaft. I probably should do the Honda wiper motor upgrade, but I will see how a fully rebuilt wiper transmission and this motor (with little use) work out first.
-
Original carpet --- and Chester and Herrod
Not yet. I did come across and interesting tidbit of information. @AZ 240 mentioned in a thread some time ago that "Although I made my own patterns and cut all of my carpet pieces, he was able to surge all of the carpet pieces on his equipment and they turned out great." The problem I have with C and H is from what I can see from pics posted by others, the fit of their latest 240Z efforts doesn't look like it is of the same quality as their carpets from years ago. If doing as Dan did is still an option, I may go that route. But, I am not comfortable with ordering their carpets as is given the somewhat recent photos I have seen.
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Thank you! Wow. My car came with an alternator just like that one! The part number on it is 23100-U5810. Do you have just one sleeve, or do you have one for each of the lower mounting holes? The hole in the lower mount on mine is a bit smaller diameter than my other alternator, I think. I will have to measure. Is there a chance that this one is original to my 6/71 car? According to the microfiche, this one is original: And that is the rather hard to find "grapefruit" alternator. The one I bought for $39 is part number 23100-U5800. It seems there are a lot of Nissan alternator part numbers. I continued today with some more assembly. Little things here and there, and I assembled the wiper "transmission". Note that one of the bolts for attaching the transmission to the body was a pan head instead of hex. I came across a thread one time that pointed out the same for another. It is possible that this bolt has a slightly smaller head to keep from hitting on the cow panel. The finished product: Note that the hood stop bolts have a very unusual thread pitch. New replacements are still available from Nissan at this time, however the bolts have the wrong thread pitch for the 240Z. I purchased new ones from Nissan and swapped the rubber portion over to the original, re-plated bolts. Also, sadly... I over torqued and stripped the threads on one of the front Koni strut inserts. I don't know what happened. I was being extremely careful. For each of the struts, I secured the assembled strut to the chassis. For the rears, there was not problem. I set my new(ish) electronic torque wrench to 37.5 ft-lbs. I went slowly and did not have issues. When the modified by Motorsport gland nuts were delivered a week or so ago, I assembled the front struts, and bolted them to the chassis as I did for the rears. When I went to torque the top nut on the driver side, my belief is that the torque wrench malfunctioned. As I was tightening, the nut got tighter, but the wrench did not make an audible, or vibrate (which it does as it gets closer to the specified torque setting). At one point, feeling that it was notably tight, I removed the torque wrench and checked the setting on the display. Still 37.5. Then attempted to tighten one more time. At that point the nut started feeling funny - like I had stripped the threads. So, I tried to remove the nut, but then the strut shaft started spinning round and round. The flat part or "D" of the upper strut isolater stopped keeping the strut shaft from spinning. FFFFFFFFFF*****************! I stopped and did something else because I wasn't mentally prepared to continue with the situation. Only a few days ago did I remove the strut from the car, put it on the bench and proceed to spend many hours trying all manner of ways to clamp the strut shaft to keep it from spinning as I attempted to remove the shaft nut. What a pain! Anyway, the ONLY way to get the nut off was to make some wood board/strips, bore a hole with a hole saw (half of the hole on one and half on the other) in them to match the diameter of the shaft, and clamp the wood around a rubber sheet which gripped to the shaft. I had to use a C clamp to squeeze all that together to get sufficient grip on the shaft. Sorry, I don't have pics. AND, I had to use an impact gun to back the nut off, as using a socket wrench by hand, I could not keep the strut shaft from turning I'd still be at it if I didn't resort to an impact gun. Anyway, I am fairly screwed with this one shock. I have about 4 to 5 threads that are good - at the very top of the threaded portion. I will take pics and share them. In the meantime, I have a M12 X 1.25 die coming. I am going to chase the threads and see what I have. I have a little hope that I can salvage the situation. If the threads clean up a bit, and I can effectively utilize something called a coupling nut, which is essentially very tall nut that can engage the good threads at the top, I may be able to avoid having to buy another strut insert.
-
Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Yep, I figure it only takes about a minute to document those before I bolt a part on and it can be a reference for others! I have continued with assembly in various areas on the car. I received the NOS brakes shoes, so I went about putting those on today. I found that I installed the levers for the handbrake functionality incorrectly, and had to take the wheel cylinders back off to swap the levers to the opposite sides. Would have been nice if instead of both having "R" on them, one had an "L" instead. I would not have mixed them up if that had been the case. Re-plated brake hardware, and new brake hoses: I find that putting silicone rubber around the circumference of the hub where the drum indexes is effective at keeping any water from finding its way into the rear brakes. Doing this is effective at stopping rust from seizing the drum to the hub "ring" and hub surface. I could use some help with a couple of questions I have about my alternator. First, I am nearly certain that these bolts are not the original alternator hardware. Does anyone have info on the original bolts and washers? Secondly, this was one of the first parts I think I acquired after getting the car. It was only $39, and I thought, "what a deal!" I went to mount it on the engine today and I noticed that, although the bolts are the right size for the alternator bracket, the lower holes in the alternator case are much bigger in diameter than the bolts. I believe there are some sleeves which are typically pressed into place and they are perhaps missing? Also, I kind of doubt this rebuild is high quality, but I couldn't find a "grapefruit" alternator... and don't know if my VIN should have one for sure either. So, this one will have to do for now. For the cooling fan, I was successful in obtaining an early metal type with original clutch assembly in good condition. However, I will be installing a plastic fan instead. I purchased an Aisin clutch and installed that and the pulley today. I also installed the first of the cloth braided hoses today. I think it was almost $900 for 11 hoses. I sent off many original hose clamps to be re-plated. Hopefully, I have all the ones that I need for the whole car. Oh, I wanted to mention... if any of you see that I have assembled something incorrectly, or am using the incorrect part for a 6/71 240z, or anything is "off" from what you believe to be original, please say something. I'd rather know about it than not. G