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There's an interesting thread on Hybridz about that. Someone's car showed up at a car show under RockyAuto's name. The impression given at the show, whether intended or not, was that RockyAuto had built it, even though they had actually bought it. It was essentially unchanged at the show, but there was no indication that it came from somewhere else. Maybe they used to build cars, but they seem to have spread in to buying and selling, and using the RockyAuto name to help sell. Fairly typical brand name over substance business practice.

Misleading title. I thought you were trying to raise money to buy a Z.

Does anyone know a good way get a big view of the signature pictures? Many users have what look like nice views of their cars but the images are tiny. All you really see is red Z, blue Z, brown Z.

There are a couple or more people on the forum who have discharged the 5 mph shock absorbers and pushed the big bumpers in. They're the same size but they don't stick out as far. I haven't seen a good picture though so can't say what it looks like.

Came across this video this morning. Shows what an old 240Z can be if it can make it through the years without wearing out or being modified. I think they call cars like these survivors. I'm not selling or advertising. This guy posts a lot of videos of his highly modified 240Z over on Hybridz.

I'm just trying to help you get focused. I can tell from your thread that you're thinking about five things at one time and not sure about any of them. Kind of paralyzed with too many possibilities. The test with the starting fluid lets you eliminate, for the most part, the ignition system. Now you can focus on why the injectors aren't spraying fuel while the engine is turning and spark is being created. Have you confirmed that Pin #1 at the ECU connector has continuity to the negative post of the coil? You haven't given enough detail to tell if you've actually done the specific tests to determine that the ECU has what it needs to open the injectors. And, no offense intended, your questions about whether the water temp switch or the AFM can stop the injectors from squirting shows that you may not fully understand what makes the injectors squirt. Even though you've read all of the right stuff. Hence my specific questions, and comment about how you just need a few more numbers to get there. I still have things on my car that would never have been put there if I knew then what I know now. It takes a while for everything to soak in.

Good luck. If you want to figure it out on your own (I'm assuming that you do since you're not really answering any questions) the best thing to do is to read the Engine Fuel chapter of the FSM, along with the 1980 Electronic Fuel Injection Guide (it covers all years up to 1980). You'll understand a lot more afterward. Pay special attention to what makes the injectors open, and how the fuel pump gets its power. Index of /FSM XenonS130 - S130 Reference

Where have you looked so far? No use going over ground you've already covered. The switches are used for either Emissions or Engine Fuel control. Look through the FSM's in those chapters and you'll probably find what you need.

There is another swap procedure out there that leaves the light on all the time, I believe. I think it's on zcarcreations.com. As you described, with the light on all the time you lose the pressure imbalance indication. If you unplug it, you still lose the warning, but you don't have to look at the light all the time. There are many ways to get messed up. If I was starting over and really wanted to do this, I would use the atlanticz procedure, then cut the yellow wire at the brake check warning lamp relay and rewire it to the fuel pump power line. That's what I ended up doing after trying both procedures and draining my battery a couple of times. I went through the hassle just for the challenge. But in normal usage you would probably notice that your brakes aren't working right at the same time the light turned on. It just confirms what your foot is feeling.

Bummer that the 71B rebuild didn't work out. Apparently they're not easy to get back to factory-level performance with the parts that are available for rebuilding. What kind of noise does the 71B make? Shifting, driving or just sitting in neutral? I have a late ZX 5 speed in my car now that needs synchros, and a 1985 300ZX 71C with the front case swap completed ready to replace it. I'd like to take a shot at rebuilding the 71B but there's only one person who seems to have really improved his 71B, and been happy with it, with a rebuild and that's duragg over on Hybridz.org. And he spent a lot of money on Nissan parts, and a lot of time on fitting the synchros perfectly to the gears.

The brake light is supposed to light up when the key is turned on but the engine is NOT running. That's the "check" part of the circuit, showing the driver that light works. Then it's supposed to turn off when the engine starts, if the brakes are okay. Then, if the pressure balance switch on the hydraulic lines moves the light will turn on again. Is that what you mean by "on and off as it should?" If your brakes are in good shape all you will see is the light on when you turn the key, then off when the engine starts. If you follow the atlanticz procedure you might find that the brake check light never goes on, because the relay always has power. You probably wouldn't notice the light but you would notice the battery draining. One sign that the problem exists is a fairly large spark at the negative post, and a click from inside the car, whenever you remove and replace the negative cable.

How are you measuring voltage at the connector when you crank the engine? I'm curious. If you're doing it with the connector off of the injector then you might really just be measuring the electrical system voltage drop that results from the big draw of the starter. If that's the case and it drops to three, then you might have a bad battery or a short somewhere. I think that a starter will typically draw enough current to drop battery voltage to between eleven and twelve volts. Three volts is way too low and indicates a problem somewhere.

You should have battery voltage with the key on, and a drop during cranking due to current flow in the injector and the starter motor. Three volts seems pretty low though. But without knowing starting voltage, three doesn't mean much. The test light flashing is a good sign though, it means the circuit is being opened and closed by the ECU. Sounds like you're close, you just need to know a few more numbers. Do the starting fluid test, it's simple and will tell you a lot. Plus it gives a little more incentive when you actually hear the engine rev.

What do you mean by weak? There's not really a pulse at the injectors. Start with battery voltage at the connections, the ECU lets current flow, the injectors open and the 38 psi squirts gasoline out. Have you tried starting fluid to see if you have compression and proper timing, both cam and ignition? If it runs on starting fluid, then you can focus on getting the injectors to open. Seems like I'm over-simplifying but that's all you need to get it to start. Getting it to run well can take more work. And to be clear, when you say it won't start do you mean it won't even pop a few times or it won't stay running or it won't stay running long enough to drive. The more details the better.

The two most basic items to check when trying to start an EFI engine are spark and injection. Spark is pretty easy using a spare spark plug, injection takes little bit more effort. The 280Z ECU's like everything to be wired as it was from the factory, from the blue wire at the coil negative to the tachometer to the inline resistor on the tachometer wire. Have you checked for spark and injector operation when cranking?

The differential is essentially completely independent of the rear suspension and the body. It floats in and on a bunch of rubber. If you crawl under the car and lift on the mustache bar you'll probably find that it's free and not levering anything. But whatever bent the bolt could have bent something else. Metal can flex quite a ways before yielding, bending other things along the way. The upper half of the control arm mounts are part of the body so if there's a misalignment with the diff mount control arm divots you should be able to see it.

I'm seeing some masochism here... Curious - are you lumping everything from Asia in to "China" or do these two products have "Made in China" labels?

Maybe you just have a bad tachometer. Why are you sitting still and revving the engine though? I've only done that a few times to check my tachometer calibration and distributor's timing advance mechanism. Otherwise the engine only sees above 1500 RPM when it's in gear and the car is moving.

Seems like it might be easiest, though not as fun, to just install it, drive it, watch the AFR's, and use the GUI "wheel" to change the slope and the base pulse width to set the "y". Just sayin', the time spent on figuring out stock AFM flow-voltage curves might be moot. That's the point of adjustability, right? So we can tune to our set of old used parts. The AFM's are also complicated by the shape of the air passage. It's not a vane in a straight tube, it's a vane in a contoured passage. Nissan must have spent a lot of trial and error time getting things just right.

These guys seem to have all of the things that you're looking for, except the drum shoes. To each his own, have fun. Click around the Products section. Silverminemotors.com Edit - should say that Eurodat gave good advice. But sometimes it's just fun to modify anyway.

Thanks for getting back. So there are either two sets of instructions floating around for the 1761 Ignitor, one paper and one internet, and they use different specs. for the coil recommendations. Good to know. Have to say that although the Pertronix products were probably innovative when introduced, they don't seem to have done much with them but ride the brand name in the last few years or more. Looks like they're even sticking the brand name on GM HEI modules, and generic aftermarket electronic ignition parts. No offense, just a commentary on how popular products change over time. I'm sure that they still work great once you get them set up right. Performance Ignition Modules Compare the RockAuto electronic ignition to the Ignitor II. Kinda interesting... Edit - actually, that looks like the Ignitor I, I guess. And, contrary to most brand names, the name brand is cheaper. Over $160 for the Airtex. More weird. I don't get it.

Great that you're getting closer. I was just trying to give some insight on basic electrical principles. Can you give the part number of your Pertronix part? I'm always interested in figuring out which web sites have good info and which don't and how companies' various products work. I'm surprised that your instructions are different from the Summit Racing instructions, which appear to be generic to all Pertronix Ignitors. Maybe you have a II or III Ignitor? I opened up the Summit instructions for 1761 referred to in madkaw's #15 and it says 3 - 4.5 ohms for 1 - 6 cylinders, on a 12 volt system. Just a little unclear on the details, you seem to have a different Ignitor.

That's for the coil. But the Pertronix Ignitor seems to like about 3 ohms total, coil and resistor, I believe. I know that there have been many discussions about the topic. Here's a link to the recommended coil , it comes in 1.5 or 3 ohm flavor. Oddly, there are no specs or instructions for the Ignitor on their web site, so unless the paper instructions give advice, it's trial and error. Edit - I did find instructions on Summit Racing's site though. Might not be the exact kit but the general specs. should be the same. Calls for 3 - 4.5 ohms on the primary circuit. Edit 2 - if you do have a low resistance coil you can just add a resistor to get in the right range for the module. Or buy a coil with those specs. Edit 3 - Note also in the Summit instructions the recommendation to check the Pertronix sticker for signs of over-heating. Obviously a fairly common problem. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pnx-1181/media/instructions 40,000 Volt Canister Coils Ignitor

Great that you took the time to find a scope and use it, but I think that you were looking at the wrong things. Voltage is not "demanded", it is produced, or available. Current could be considered to be a demand item, it is a function of resistance and voltage. The 50,000 volts that you measured is about normal for some coils, but could be a sign of too much current through the coil and module (the Ignitor), which could be caused by a bad ignition module or low resistance on the coil's primary circuit. As madkaw suggests, have you measured resistance on the primary circuit? Maybe you just need a resistor in the line. If you get a similar coil you might just end up with the same problem.

Sounds like you're going to buy a new coil anyway so it doesn't really matter which you do first. A coil is probably cheaper than a new Ignitor. Good luck.