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What makes a Z a Z? What modifacations go too far to be called a Z?

    What Mods make you question whether a Car is still a Z?  

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    1. 1. What Mods make you question whether a Car is still a Z?

      • A non L series Engine
      • A non Z Engine
      • A Non Nissan Engine
      • Non Z ECM transplant
      • Non Z ECM
      • Harness Grafting
      • Too many Interior modifications
      • Too many Exterior Modifications
      • Any deviation from as the factory made it
      • ANy deviation from stock not covered by parts supercession


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    I have had several discussions recently about Modified Z cars, and whether or not they are still Zs.

    I know what I think, but what do you guys think?

    What makes up the Zness in a Z?

    What modifications don't affect its heritage??

    What modifications do??

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    Zness in a Z.....The feline shape,timeless design ,long nose/short cabin. Mods this has been done from the get go, then 350 Chev's now LS1,LS2 and even 7 litre LS's. Mod/heritage, in an interview Mr. K clearly stated that one thing he might have changed on his creation was ''MORE POWER''. What mods do-----Personalize----;)

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    Now, none of this is to criticize any car, or the love sweat or blood that went into making on what it is. or the money that went into buying it. This is just to get an idea of what makes a Z actually a Z to the group of people who participate in this thread. Shortly after I joined this Forum I posted a thread on what makes a Z a classic, this is to carry that same theme. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it just so happens I am actually interested in yours.

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    When does changing something make it no longer the essence of what it was? That is what I am after.

    Mr. K clearly gave a generic answer, he did not say "the Z needs the heart and brain of a Corvette." Note that Mr; Ks own Z was only lightly moded, and surely he could have done anything he wanted to it at any point until he gave it to Jonnie. If he was serious about adding power why did he choose not to?

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    Boob jobs, Viagra.....where is the essence..................................................:cool:

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    The body....no change, the interior only change the seats for comfort, alloy wheels ad flare...............;)

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    SO, if it looks the part to the untrained eye... meaning the inside and outside are pretty much left alone, but for the mechanicals pretty much anything goes?

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    post-25833-14150819846398_thumb.jpgYes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,;) and the mods must be done professional and details galore in the built, to keep the Z-Factor :cool: Edited by 72 OJ

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    i like my shaved rear and my msa type 3 front. i want to stay nissan under the hood and deffintaly inline 6. i do give it to the v8 guys but IMO i think 300 hp is about all your going to use on the road.

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    For me, changing the powerplant to a V-8 makes it no longer a Z. While not to my taste, RB engine upgrades are OK in my view. I do not look down on transpalnts of Z engines into other cars, as the L series drivetrain has proven to be so robust.

    What I really dis-like are radical exterior modifications, that stray too far for the already sexy, feline lines of the Z. However, one exception is the Ferrari GTO body Z kit. Looks very nice, though truely, it's still no longer Z...

    I recognize my views are probably old-fashioned, but then at 59, I'm no spring chicken!

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    Julio, I am of the same vintage,DOB 1953,,,,,,,Your silver Z in many ways mirrors mine. If we are at a Tin car gathering , both car detail to the max, both hood open, the UZZ, AHH, WOW..... goes to what car ?

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    yea i do like the factory style but im a kit guy but i also like little things that if you dont know what your looking for you just know there is something diffrent and it adds just a little flair. i would love to see a z with a 1/2 inch chop on the top just to add that little something.(the WOW factor)

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    I like the way the title is phrased, Will. "What mods make you QUESTION whether a car is still a Z?" (Emphasis mine.) Because the answer to that question will vary depending on the person.

    To me, it boils down to two things - does it still look like a Z? And does it still have a Nissan L-series inline six in it? When the 240Z was introduced in the US in 1969, those were the two defining points of the Z - the styling, and the "big" (for its day) six cylinder when everything else at that price point had four-bangers.

    I've got no problem with engine swaps, V8 or otherwise. But to me, a V8 Z-car is just another hot rod. You can stuff big power into any car, but that doesn't always retain the character that the car was designed with.

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    No offense intended, but this marvel of a car will not gain the status of an exotic, so if a Z owner wants to'' personalize'' it so what......ten yrs from now an AMX or a Cougar Eliminator will be worth more than Z with OE hub caps.

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    No offense intended, but this marvel of a car will not gain the status of an exotic, so if a Z owner wants to'' personalize'' it so what......ten yrs from now an AMX or a Cougar Eliminator will be worth more than Z with OE hub caps.
    Agreed on all points, even the part about owners doing what they like. But I wasn't talking about value, or correctness, or collectibility. I was talking about personality and character. A V8 Z is a very different car than a stock or resto-mod. Better in some ways? Yes. But the personality is different. Not essentially the same car. To me, that personality is important. Less so to others.

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    Arne,,,I also agree,,,,but on the same token,personality can change for some reason or other and characters are strengthen ;),,,,,,let me add , the so called personality/character of my v8 Z has not change , she has the same look as any well kept Z, the original interior enhance by modern seats and full carpet,she retains all original working gauges, her original electric harness only has five adapters to the LS1 electronics,she now has better brakes, a balance suspension, and an ATTITUDE,,,:love:

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    .....in an interview Mr. K clearly stated that one thing he might have changed on his creation was ''MORE POWER''.

    "...his creation..."

    Was that your interpretation, or was it that of the interviewer?

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    This is a very interesting discussion, and it all boils down to personal taste.

    As for myself, I would never do a V8 swap, as I personally think the inline six really defines the character of the Z. I can still both understand and admire people who do V8 swaps or the like.

    Imho, the exterior should be kept close to factory, or at least somewhat era correct. There are a lot of mods one can do without destroying the design of the car. The S30 is in my opinion one of the most beautiful cars ever designed, and should not be carlessly messed with.

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    The sound of the inline 6 L series motor wound up on any straight on any race track is an incredible sound......music to my ears. When I hear a V8 on the same straight, I expect to see a Cobra, a Corvette or a Mustang. IMO, that sound is what makes a Z a Z. I'll never forget the first time I heard (and saw) Morton and Sharp coming down the hill to the Esses at Road Atlanta. It's what makes a Z a Z............as it should be! IMHO

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    "...his creation..."

    Was that your interpretation, or was it that of the interviewer?

    Mr.K ( the Dad of the 510 and the Z ) the man behind and in front of the S30 marketing,so the term '' his creation'' is my interpretation ;)

    Edited by 72 OJ

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    Mr.K ( the Dad of the 510 and the Z ) the man behind and in front of the S30 marketing,so the term '' his creation'' is my interpretation ;)

    In what way would him being "behind and in front of the S30 marketing" ( even if that were completely true... ) make him the car's "creator"? Same goes for the 510 too.

    I notice he has never seemed to get himself too closely connected with the large numbers of other little sedans and pickup trucks sold during the same period. Maybe their paint wasn't shiny enough for him to see his reflection in it?

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    This thread is on,,,,What makes a Z a Z............................................................................................

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    ....... and I'm picking you up on your "the creator" comment, which you made - yes - on this thread.

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