Carl Beck
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11 hours ago, Zed Head said: Hate to complain but this inability to one-click to the last post is really a pain. And having the first post repeated on each page is too. Very cumbersome.Anyway, the 77 Turbo Z had an $11,000 Rebello engine installed after it was bought for $25,250 in 2018. Plus another $25,000 to have it all put together. $61,000 just to break even. Will it sell? Doubtful.
It sold for a reasonable price - at least in todays market. $34, 350.00. Great buy for the person that loved almost everything about it.
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6 hours ago, conedodger said:
Too bad they didn't have Lee Midgley's Alfa beside the BRE 510. Lee was a friend of Peter Brock's, and co-driver of the Baja Z in the Baja 500 1973.
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On 12/24/2024 at 11:53 AM, psdenno said:
Regarding "D" center hub caps, an interesting Car & Driver on-line article about the old and new Z cars today. The article compares a 1973 Z with the 2024 version. See link below. However, the author shows a picture of what he refers to as a '73 Z that he borrowed from the Nissan Headquarters in Tennessee and it appears to be a '71ish Z based on "D" HUB CAPS and photo of center console ash tray.
Yes, that is a Nissan Vintage Z - HLS30 32089. A 1971 Datsun 240Z
https://zhome.com/IZCC/ZRegisters/VintageZ.htm
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On 12/20/2024 at 8:44 AM, Diseazd said:
It’s not just the gear box that determines the hubcap, it’s all of the other items in a supposed Series 1 or transition to Series 2 Z IMO.
Nissan issued Factory Service Bulletins upon the introduction of each of the Four Models of Datsun 240Z’s that they produced and sold between Oct 1969 and Aug. 1973. Each of the four Models were assigned a distinct set of chassis serial numbers.
The first series of chassis serial numbers for the 1st models sold to the public started at:
HLS30 00013 and HS30 00003
The second series of chassis serial numbers for the 2nd models sold to the public started at:
HLS30 21001 and HS30 00500
If you want to know exactly what the difference is between the 1st & 2nd. series of chassis serial numbers, you can find them individually listed by Nissan in the new model Introduction Service Bulletin, February 1971, Vol 137.
All 18 items are listed here were on the "New & Improved Model", everything else stayed the same.
https://zhome.com/History/New71LateP2.htm
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8 hours ago, dspillman said:
Checking numbers….
VIN… HS30-10324
engine block production date …1XO1C ?
engine block number..L24- 067522
1971 Oct 01
First Digit = Year
2nd Digit = Month 1 - 9 then switch to X,Y,.Z for Oct - Dec
3rd&4th = Day
5th is a Batch CodeL24-067045 and 067838 were in HLS30's with Date of Mft. 11/71
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14 hours ago, Mike said:
I'm wondering how many people we still have around from the old email list (majordomo) we started in 1996. I know there are a few still here. 😉
I'm still around. Bob Weissman started the Z Car List on a majordomo server in 1987. Prior to that we had about 30 guys using personal E Mail's with a CC list. ( USENET /NSFNET). Seems like yesterday -
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23 hours ago, cgsheen1 said:
I'm old. When I was a kid we could get 4 hamburgers for a dollar. Ever heard of "penny candy"? We used to buy it... Between then and now my "2 to 45 cents" is probably way wrong...😉
$1.00 in 1925 is $18.23 today.A US Penny in 1925 had the same buying power of $1.83 today. So your 2 cents worth is now 366 cents.An ounce of God in 1925 was $20.67 - that is 31.1035 grams.(call it 31). $0.66 per gram.An once of God today is $2,754.10 - that is $88.84 per gram.133 times as muchWhere did your purchasing power go? $35,000,000,000,000.00 in National Debt.-
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1 hour ago, conedodger said:
Not sure what Bob had to do with the pace car but…
Bob convinced Camel to sponsor the Pace Car. It was built as a backup Race Car, in case anything happened to the BSR Race Car. They were both built at the same time.
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Edited by Carl Beck
Not on BAT -but related to current market pricing... 2004 M/B SL500 with 14K miles. Was asking $26,500.00... now down to $18,500.
If that car was anywhere in Florida - I'd rush over and buy it.
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3 hours ago, Zpenman said:
Great video, Mike. It's great to see real craftsmen at work.
Very True. Around here we car nuts, call them "metal men". The harder something is, the more they love doing it. Very hard to find these guys today. I wouldn't dream of starting a restoration on a rusty 50+ year old car today unless I had one of these guys to work with.
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1 hour ago, dutchzcarguy said:
wow.. The last time that happened here was over 10 years ago and i got compensated the next week.. hundreds of euro for a 4 hour no power! (I wouldn't mind a powercut ones or twice a month that way! 😉 )
The last time that happened here was about 7 years ago. We lost power for about 6 days in that hurricane, I should have been better prepared this time. All in all we're thankful that power was the only thing we lost. Hundreds of people closer to the beach lost their homes and about 8 or 10 lost their lives. One friend lost 4 of his collector cars to storm surge flooding (a 65 Corvette, 65 GTO, 66 Chevelle SS, 68 Cutlass Convert.) Another neighbor of his lost his house do to fire - - his electric car was flooded with salt water and caught fire burning the house down.
I think there was as bad to worse damage in the States North of us - death toll is up to 80/90 there.
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On 9/27/2024 at 4:59 AM, dutchzcarguy said:
Ofcourse you mean: $16250,-
Yes - thanks.. (lost power here for a couple days..)
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6 hours ago, Zed Head said:
Here's a good starter Z. The usual been sitting for years but ran when parked problems, probably.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-datsun-240z-337/
26,75010,500$6250.00 difference between a very nice to excellent condition 72 240Z sold on the 18th - - and a Project needing full restoration sold today. Crazy Market. It will take $30k to $40K and a thousand hours of labor to match the condition of the finished Z sold on the 18th. -
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35 minutes ago, Zed Head said:Here's an investment car. Third time on BaT. Three data points on the value chart. $41,250 and $62,500 so far.
The presentation gets more dramatic with each listing. Looks like it wasn't driven after the last transfer.
Just noticed that this is a 240ZGuild car, on two of the sales. Vague memories of much discussion. 149 comments and 259 comments. The new seller is not the buyer of the last sale unless there's been a name change. Interesting...
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-datsun-240z-339/
The market has changed significantly since 2018 and 2020. Since Feb of 2020 Inflation has driven consumer prices up over 21%. That can quickly cut deeply into what anyone thought was part of their "disposable" income. Plus make anyone have second thoughts about retained or increasing values... The "Buyers" just aren't there today...I'd be surprised to see bids on this go above $30k... The Bubble hasn't burst yet, nor are the Classic Car Markets in Free Fall.... but there is a great deal of uncertainly. The old saying is "don't try to catch a falling knife".
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No question this is a very very nice example. Still….this is a different market today.First - it is NOT a Series I example. Won’t bring Series I money.The question is how much will the non-original items on this 240Z hurt it.
Fog Lights - holes in the lower splash panel
Head Light Covers - holes in the fiberglass nacelles
Ash Tray modified
Faded carpet in the rear deck
Electric Fans at the Radiator (plus wiring and relays)
Wrong Fuel Pump
Wrong hose clamps on the fuel lines
Wrong Fuel Filter
Missing Battery Cover
Clutch Master Cylinder non-original
Non original mufflerSpark Plug Wires??? Should be original with this mileage but can’t tell
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4 hours ago, conedodger said:
@Yarb, I think Peter Brock will tell you width and angle if you license it as a replica.
The Strips gained a more rearward angle over the following years. 70/71 the strips were entirely on the front fender. On the 73 Baja Z the strips were swept rearward putting them partly on the door.
When Mr. Brock built a 240Z for himself in the 2000’s - the strips were swept even farther rearward.
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30 minutes ago, bluez said:
Bought it off eBay, listing was for “BRAND NEW NIKKI FUEL PUMP 271070” for $100. Not sure what it was originally for.
Pump only had 2 mounting holes. I just used the guts to retain my original pump. All pieces matched fine.Looks like jdm-car-parts sells an actual rebuild kit, for an eye watering $125.
Thanks !
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On 3/2/2024 at 10:28 AM, inline6 said:
At first I was going to say aftermath of Mt St Helens, but that looks painted on instead of deposited from above. And big eruption was 1980. Maybe a movie set?
I see something interesting on the Z. I have never seen it before other than on my first Z and I thought it was something added by the owner - not a factory item. There is a rubber seal or weather strip just above and in contact with the the window frame of the door.The rubber seal as added to the 1973 240Z's.
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5 hours ago, Zpenman said:
Very clean car but shouldn't it have flat-tops?
If one wanted to keep it perfectly "as it left the factory”; yes it would have the Flat Tops. Back in 73/74 if one wanted to drive it in a more reliable fashion, they switched the Flat Top’s out for the SU’s as used on the 70-72 model years.To comply with the EPA Emission standards for 1973, Nissan had to redesign the original SU’s, the result was what we call the Flat Tops. They passed the emissions tests/standard, but the engines suffered from Percolation and/or Vapor Lock. In higher temp. area’s the cars would just die, or when shut off with a warm engine the cars would not restart until the engine was cold again.-
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It is a great Data Base - At some point in the very near future, someone will apply the right technical skills with the best AI tools - and we well all how important and useful that Data Base could be. I'd say leave the thread alone and keep building the data base. Also keep in mind that "the thread" should not be confused with "the people" that respond. The discussion thread is very useful even if some of the people that respond are not.