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4-speed transmission rebuild kit
In my experience, if its oil causing the problem, 1st and 2nd will let you know earlier than 3rd or 4th. Odd that you have trouble with 3rd and 4th. Its generally 2nd and 3rd or 1st and 2nd, but 4th tends to last the longest. Does it select the gears when you are standing sill and clutch disengaged? Could have been rebuild long ago and someone replace 1st and 2nd synchros and now 3rd and 4th are worn out. The synchros are the same as all the 71 transmissions. You can use the ones in the 71C 1st through to 4th. The bearings are different though. The Nissan p/n: is 32604-P0100 Bearings are different from the 71B. I have an old SKF catalog that lists the bearings for these transmissions. Ill see what I can find and post it later.
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Can't tell if I have the valve keepers in right!
That sounds like tappets need a hot adjustment like Rossiz said. Take it for a run to settle everything in and then it will be nice and warm to do the final adjustment. I know exactly what you mean about a second project. Don't think Ill ever get budget approval. And jusg turning up with it on a trailer could be life threatening. I haven't got the time anyway. Too many other projects to get side tracked on.
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Can't tell if I have the valve keepers in right!
With all this experience you are gaining on this project your next datsun project will be a breeze Good to hear things a going your way. Sounds like two jobs, two successes. Nothing more satisfying then when you do something on these cars and you see/feel the benifits of all that hard earned knowledge.
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Can't tell if I have the valve keepers in right!
I punched out the internals of a spark plug so I could make a compressed air fitting to do leak down test. You could make something like that. It took me about 1 hour to make. If you get the piston up to tdc and lock the engine in 5th gear with the ebrake on. The compressd air (about 6 - 8 bar) will hold the valve in place so you can hit the retainer without the valve moving. Ill post a photo of it tonight. Basically need some fitting for the sparkplug hole and compressed air. I have done the seals using that method as well. It wasn't on a Datsun, but some principle.
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Can't tell if I have the valve keepers in right!
I know what rossiz means by rope being squishy. I used a cord from an iron for one head. Thats the eleftrical cord with cloth weaving. It worked great. I have also heard of people using small tubing like that used in fish tank bubblers. The small diameter doesn't squish so much and its easy to feed in the spark plug hole. What I meant with the sound is at first its makes a ping ping sound and then changes to a dull thud sound when they let go. Mmm that might not be making it any clearer. Once you have done a couple you will get my drift, do to speak. Don't tap the clests or collets as datsun calls them. They are tight around the valve stem and the spring is still pushing them tightly around the valve. All you will do is transfer all the force to the stem and move the valve up and down with each tap. The general idea is to hold the valve up, preferably not by using the piston crown. When you tap the spring with a socket or punch, the valve should stay put and the collets will release. If you look at the top of the spring, you will see the spring, a retainer and two collets. The outside of the retainer is what you should be hitting. It can be done with a socket, round pipe or a blunt screwdriver etc.
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Can't tell if I have the valve keepers in right!
I like to feed a piece of rope down the spark plug hole before turing the piston to TDC. After a coupls of goes you will get the feel of how much rope to feed in. It helps keep the valve up in its seat. I never have liked the idea of the valve hitting the piston and pushing it back down. Note: If the socket trick doesn't crack the cleats loose, I try the socket extension off center on the spring cap just next to the valve stem and not on top of it. You will hear the sound change when they come loose.
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My two swiss S30Z Fairlady Restoration build thread
Yer, I know what you mean. I have a garage full of good opportunities. Looking at your photo on my computer (intstead of tablet) it looks like a long extension or maybe the one that is 30mm shorter. Here is a photo of the long one and very short 71C extension. The extension housing comes in three different (2wd) lengths that I know of, The very short is 750mm, middle 860mm and the long is 890mm total length. From what I have found and discovered first hand Im sure there are more variations of the 71C than the F**W71A & B combined. And Im not talking about ratio's. Chas
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My two swiss S30Z Fairlady Restoration build thread
Nice work I like following this thread. The S14 transmission is different in more ways than you would think. - You will have to change the bellhousing to match the L seris engjne otherwise it will lean 12 degrees. - The 200SX had the stubby rear extension. 300ZX and 240SX had the long extension. You will need to re-engjneer the transmission mount and propellor shaft will be far too short. Shortening is always easier. Most people doing this swap generally go for the 240SX or the 300ZX (Im going with the 300ZX) and use the 71B (4 or 5 speed) bellhousing. The bellhousing will require some minor mods for one selector and front cluster gear clearance. Then shorten the propellor shaft 50mm or find a series I. The stubby extension has a really strange selector mechanism. For me anyway, Im use to the 71B and the long 71C. The 71C with an aftermarket shifter feels great. Really clean gear changing. Simple evolution A-B-C and improving over the years.
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My Datsun 280Z "Rustoration"
This end result looks great. Ever thought of making more;)
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Found metal at the bottom of my 5-speed. What next?
Poeple often comment abou clutch engagement height when they change from the origunal 280Z clutch to an aftermarket clutch. The 280Z pressure plate seemed to work in tge higher range of travel. This could be what you are experiencing as well. After a couple of days/week of driving I would bleed the clutch again to make sure all the air is out. A little bit of air will effect clutch engagement. You only have to open the bleeder once. Any air thats in there will be in the slave cylinder. The rest would have worked its way back up to the M/C and out through the reservoir. A good idea to check your M/C and pedal adjustments like chickenman said. If the MC dossn't come back completly it will not open the port to the reservoir and the self adjusting will no longer work. The clutch fork can not adjust to wear because the fluid can not escape to the reservoir. Nice to hear it all worked out in the end. The first time is always hardest and you were on your own which makes it more challenging. But doesn't it feel good now it's all back together running like you want it to?
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Fitting 240Z bumpers and Valences to a 280Z
Jim, thanks for the compliments. Now to see how they fit. Let me know if you need anything.
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Another ? about 71 dash wires ID
It could be from the inhibitor switch and automatic transmission selector light. I think they piggybacked of one wire like your example and had those colors.
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Won't start
You can look through the oil cap hole and the inlet valve cam lobe should be pointing upwards towards the sparkplugs side of the motor. Thats the one directly under the cap. If its down towards the manifold side, then you are between exhaust and compression strokes. Saves taking the valve cover off. Another way is to remove number one spark plug and rotate the engine with your thumb over the hole. You will feel when its coming up on the compression stroke. Then rotate a little more until timing makes line up.
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Found metal at the bottom of my 5-speed. What next?
There is also the problem with mix matchd parts. Aftermarket pressure plates could also play a roll. The collars can also be a contributor. The 280Z 5 speed used a 25mm collar and othees had 24mm and 29mm. The 24mm you could grt away with, but the 29mm or the 16mm from the 71A transmission will not work. The slave cylinder can accomodate the 24 and 25mm and any tolerances caused by aftrmarket pressure plates/resurfaced flywheels etc.
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5 speed tranny, any ideas?
The ZX transmission Cliff installed in his 240Z is out of a 2+2 and for all intention purposes its the same as the 280Z wide ratio. The 2+2 came with the 240mm clutch and wide ratio 5 speed transmission.
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Found metal at the bottom of my 5-speed. What next?
I posted the measurement for a slighty used (20,000km) clutch in post #17 in this thread. It should be around 110 - 120mm from the front of the bellhousing to the clutch fork. Yours being new might be a little more than 120mm. I not sure what you are measuring in your photo, but you are on the right track. You will be able to push the rod into the slave cylinder at least a couple of centermeters when the clutcb is new.
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Won't start
By moving the leads around, you are indicating something is wrong with the timing. Are you sure nr. 1 spark plug is firing on tdc compression stroke. Could be 180 degrees off. Take nr.1 spark plug out and turn motor by hand to make sure it coming up on compression. Engine was rebuild and has not run yet. We have some unknowns to deal with. Its not just: it was working and then stopped. It's something to tick off the list.
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Won't start
If you are not getting any response from starter fluid, you must have a problem with spark or it's flooded and the spark plugs are so wet they wont spark. How did you check spark? Your saying "Getting spark", but not explaining how you came to that conclusion. Explaining what you did step by step can give clues for others to give you better help and advice. You could have a bad connection or bad TIU. I would concentrate on that first. You should get some sort of response from starter fluid. You think the injectors are not opening which could also indicate no signal from pin 1, coil trigger.
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Found metal at the bottom of my 5-speed. What next?
That photo says a lot. Looks like the input shaft is not engaging the clutch disc. Try turning the output shaft at the rear extension. You might need to grip the main shaft lightly with vice grips or something like that and turn it while pushing it. If you are working alone, threaded bar or bolts about twice the length of the originals will help hold it in place. DON'T use them to pull it home, you will damage something. The bolts will hold the transmission more or less in line so you can get behind it and wiggle it in. If you use the bolts, use your jack (even a scissor jack well do in a pinch) to support the transmission and play with the height. You can then remove the straps. They are probably restricking your movement too much anyway. It might be time to leave it alone for a while. Do something else and get your thoughts back on track. We have all been there and frustration can work against you just as much as the problem itself. Try to find someone to give you a helping hand. Even if its only for moral support and keep you sane through this dilemma. Working on your own came be frustrating when things ain't going well.
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5 speed tranny, any ideas?
Hi Cliff, Looks like you have identified the problem, now the cure. Me personally, I would cut and weld the two together. You know the original ZX selector worked in the 5 speed and the bent selector has enough clearance in the console. Typical that 5th gear suffers this problem. I have heard of this problem before, but never experienced it. That way I asked those questions in post #4. At least its not in the transmission and thankfully you didn't pull it out to find that out. Is this the 280ZX 2+2 you found a while back?
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Outer Control Arm Poly Bushing Too Wide?
I have a question. How did you get the old bushings out? Did you punch them out with a hammer from the outside in? Its looks like the control arm is compressed, judging by the photo's. These control arms are strong in cetain directions and in others not. Measure the distance between the control eyes. The distance should be 141mm. The stub axle is 135mm which gives you 3mm for the lip on each PU bush. If you spred the control arm with a jack, make sure its met these measurements.
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Found metal at the bottom of my 5-speed. What next?
Just followed your like to the ratsun guys discusion. It looks like its out of a 720 2wd truck with the L20B engine, probably 1980 model. In 81 they went over to the Z engine (NAPS) Z22 and Z24. It wouldn't be the 620 because they had the short rear extension. I couldn't see your picture of your clutch sets until now. It was showing as a link. I can see the pull ring on the alignment tool bottom right in photo. You should drop the transmission to lubricate the splines. New disc and clean input shaft will be dry and could cause problems later. I wipe a small amount of grease onto the splines and use the old clutch disc to move up and down the splines and remove any excess. If you push the disc on, the grease will heap up around there and could sling off into the disc.
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Found metal at the bottom of my 5-speed. What next?
You can try unstrapping the transmission from the jack first. Give yourself a bit more freedom to move the transmission around. Hold it by the rear extension housing and wiggle it while pushing it gently home. If you take the transmission back out. Check the clutch disc with your fingers. Run you fingers around the outside of the pressure plate and feel the clutch disc. If its out of alignment you should pick it up there. If it is, then loosen the pressure plate enough so you can push the disc around with your fingers. Check it with your eye or using the alignment tool and check it has equal distance around the pressure plate fingers. This problem can hold people up for a while. The first one is a learning process. One you don't forget easily If you need to do it again, you will remember.