The following was posted to our email mailing list by Carl Beck: DISCLAIMER: I fully realize that many people will not, can not, don't want too - spend $3K to $5K to have paint and body work done on their 240-Z. The following suggestions are aimed at people who want a good job done, who plan to keep and enjoy their Z's for years, or who want to put their 240-Z in a condition that facilitates it's future value and it's future resale. The following applies to a good paint job - it's a different ball game if you want the undercarrage stripped and painted or if you want the interior of the car stripped and painted. Most of the time the interior simply needs to be cleaned and re-sprayed. Depending on where you live - there are body shops that specialize in custom cars and street rod work... they usually do very little collision work for insurance companies. When it comes to getting an older car prep'ed and painted they are usually your best bet. Attend a few Street Rod Car Shows in your local area and talk to the owners of the cars - find out who is doing that type of work and get recommendations - write down both the recommend shops and the name/car of the person that recommended them. It's amazing how much nicer shop owners are when they know you were sent by an existing customer or someone they know personally. There are a couple of reasons that most shops will shoot you a ridiculously high "estimate" for what it will cost to prep and paint your car. As Wayne points out - too many of the times they are just trying to blow you out of the shop....;-( The First is: - about 1 out of 100 people who ask them for an estimate - are actually ready to have the work done right then (or within the next year for that matter - they are just "dreamers" and "tire kickers" wasting the time of the body shop). Then only about 1 out of 10 of them actually have the cash right then. The shop owners hear the question so many times from so many people - that they harden over time and get an attitude - so they just throw out some high estimate to blow the people that are "jacking them around" out the door. The Second is: - too many people expect a body shop to give them "an estimate" for a complete repair/repaint - based on looking at a 30 year old car that's already been repainted one or more times. They have no way of knowing what is under that paint.. nor what all they will get into once they start removing it. So there is huge risk for them - and even though it's "an estimate" - the customer somehow always gets it in their mind that it was a "firm fixed price" quote. So as the costs go up when unexpected damage is found, when shoddy body work that was previously done is found - the customer is unhappy and he's complaining to everyone in town about how that shop screwed him or tried to screw him... So most of the shops just double what they really think it will take - and quote that as the "estimate".... It's better to cover their own risk and/or blow you out the door right at the beginning. So what's a guy to do??? First - Line up two or three shops that can do the type of work you want done - and shops that like doing that type of work.... Visit the shop and meet the owner. Tell him you are getting a car ready to for paint/bodywork - and just wanted to meet him and see the shop - to see what type of work they are doing - and to see if he is interested in doing your job. You also want to check ahead to see what his schedule looks like. Do NOT take your Z to the shop at time... Later you will make arrangements for them to look at your car. At this point you are not talking price, not asking for estimates etc - you are there to see the quality of work being done - and to look at schedule... Second - strip your 240-Z to a bare shell that's rolling on it's suspension/wheels...Do NOT drive the car in - don't show it to them in any other condition. When it shows up disassembled to a bare shell - they will know you are serious, they will know you are ready to have the work done - at that point you are not just another "tire kicker"... you become a potential customer - and one that just might have a clue as to what he is doing and what he expects them to do. Third - When the car is disassembled to a bare rolling shell - Set appointments with the shops - tell them you are having a wrecker bring the car down for them to look at - but that the wrecker driver won't wait long so they have to be there... Shop 1 at 9:00AM - shop 2 at 11:00AM and shop 3 at 1:00PM.... It might cost you a couple of hundred dollars to truck the shell around - it's well worth it. That shows the shop owner that you are READY, and that you are SHOPPING, and that you HAVE the money to spend, and that you are willing to spend it with whoever treats you right. Be at the shops ahead of the car showing up, round up the shop owner - tell the shop owner that you will "pay him" to strip the car to bare metal - and put a good base coat of etching epoxy primer on it. You want a price for that work at this point. Then after it's primed - you want the shop owner to give you a price to fix whatever is needed, prep and paint the car. This way the shop owner has no risk - your paying to have the car stripped and primed. (it has to be done anyway and you'll pay for it anyway). He gets to base his estimate for the needed repairs and paint job on what is really there - no hidden surprises. Once it's stripped to bare metal - both of you will know FOR SURE if it's worth fixing or not... If the repairs and paint job cost too much - your ready to truck it around again for that phase of the work.... or your ready to truck it home until you save some more money.. You tell the shop owner he can have the car any week within the next two months and that you will have it to his shop within 24 hours of him letting you know he is READY TO WORK ON IT - but that in "ten days" you expect it to be stripped and put in primer - tell him you will stop by ever day or so to see the progress, shoot photos for your album etc... If you stop by and don't see any progress for two or three days - on the third day ask to use his phone to call the wrecker to come pick it up. Make it clear to every shop owner you talk to that schedule is important to you - - your willing to have the car delivered when they are ready to work on it - but you are not willing to park it there to sit for a week, two weeks etc - before they start.. nor to leave it there for months waiting for them to get it done... There is nothing cheap about this process any longer. To strip a Z shell to bare metal and shot it with an etching epoxy primer should not take more than 24 hours of labor. Shops around here charge $25.00 to $45.00 per hour for labor... Stripped and primed - ready to start the body work - it shouldn't cost you more than $900. to $1200. (far less in many shops). If you have a good rust free body to start with - and you should start with nothing else unless the collect-ability of the car warrants it - Minor body work, surface prep hours and the actual paint job shouldn't cost much more than an additional $2000.00 to $3000.00. (depend on how straight you want every panel and how much work is needed). Shops that are shooting you $6,000.00 dollar quotes for a simple repaint - are building in the cost of hidden damage - if you go for the $6000.00 estimate - that is what they will charge you even if they don't run into any problems... You are far better off going one step at a time and paying for each step as you go... Most shop owners that I know are willing to do the body work and paint on older Z's on the basis described above. They do not want to spend the time to disassemble the car, take the interior out, pull the engine etc - that's not what they do - they do body work and paint work.... When getting the estimate for the body /paint work - you have to make the shop owner understand clearly what you expect - what type of work your looking for.. and you have to put it in detail and in writing for him to read before you start. They will never do this for you - but they will sign it if written clearly and in accordance with what they have "TOLD" you, and what the two of you have TALKED about... When it's in writing in front of them - they will correct any BS that passed as conversation;-)... 1. You want any needed repairs "metal patched" - NO Body Fillers Used To Fill Voids/holes etc. Rust repairs are to be made by cutting bad metal out and welding in good metal. 2. No body fillers of any kind are to be applied to bare metal - all body work requiring any type of body filler is to be done over metal that has been first sealed with an etching epoxy primer. No Exceptions no matter how small... (many of them will say that it isn't really necessary - tell them they are right - but it's your car and you want it that way - and your paying for it;-).... If you want the car really nice - for a really long time. Tell them you will pick the car up when the body work is done and the car is in full prime. You will store it safely in our garage for four months - then return it for final paint work. That will give any body fillers time to shrink if they are going to - and it will provide time for any hairline cracks, sanding marks, rust spots etc. to show up ahead of putting the final paint on the car. Many of the guys I know that put $12,000.000 + in custom paint jobs on their street rods wait four to six months after the body work has been done - to start the final painting process.