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Hi Folks,
I'm looking for a used blue interior parts to suit my 71 240z. I don't want to buy new as it will look out of place with my survivor car look (I'm going for).

Searching for:

1. Passenger door card (no speaker holes please).

2. Passenger seat covers (can have minor wear and tear), hopefully not too faded? Possibly interested in driver side also (don't let photo below confuse you, your passenger side seat is my drivers side seat).

I'm hoping that someone has a blue interior where the passenger side (RH side) has seen little use compared to drivers side (LH side) but replaced both covers at the same time.

3. Rear 1/4 plastics, mine have gone a greenish colour due to UV exposure. If your ones are in better shape let me know?

Attached photo of faded "greenish" plastics, I know these can probably be re-dyed and will explore that option too.

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Hi Gav,

I have had excellent results using SEM dye.  I needed a blue drivers door card and could only get black.  I had an auto paint shop custom match the SEM to my new passenger side door card.  After the SEM, you can't really tell which one was dyed.

I can send you some instructions if you need them.

 

Marty

 

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Yes would love that, the old plastics get very brittle - especially after UV exposure so if I find other colours (that are less brittle) I can always dye them, same with the door card.

I've had trouble finding SEM products in Australia before, but please do send along any instructions and would love to see photos of your results!

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8 hours ago, Gav240z said:

I've had trouble finding SEM products in Australia before, but please do send along any instructions and would love to see photos of your results!

I used a Canada-based paint supply specialist (Parasol - Toronto, Ontario...  www.parasolinc.com ) to custom-mix a butterscotch 'dye' for my interior panels.  Great product, great results.  Goes in your HVLP paint gun with the consistency of water, but sets up as a stretchy vinyl 'skin'.  The magic of synthetic chemistry.  I needed about 2 qt to do all of the hard plastic and soft vinyl trim pieces (I did not do the door cards, seats, or roof liner).  The custom-match product cost about Cdn $115/qt, so ~ C$230 total.  I used SEM products for the prep work ('Soap', 'Plastic & Leather Prep', 'Sand-Free', and 'Plastic Adhesion Promoter') and those probably contributed another C$70 to the job, so call it C$300 total. Parasol sells their own line of surface prep chemicals. Note that I started with black panels, so it required about 5 light-to-medium coats of the dye to get the job done.  I think you could do a color 'refresh' job with just 3 coats, possibly only 2.   

The hard plastic panels were easy.  The diamond-textured soft vinyl pieces, however, require a lot of pre-paint preparation work to get rid of all the ArmorAll (silicone) that's typically been rubbed into these surfaces over the years.  The silicone hides down in the bottom of the grooves used to create the diamond pattern and will cause the dye to 'fish eye' if you don't get it fully removed.  Count on doing at least 5 applications of 'SEM Soap' (must be scrubbed in with a kitchen-grade 'scotchbrite' pad) and two or three applications of 'P&L Prep' before you spray on the dye.  The dye doesn't have a solvent smell, but the airborne fumes created during application will make your head swim.

After it sets up, the dye's adhesion is very good and its surface toughness/scratch resistance is probably on par with the OE surfaces (i.e. modest).  I would have no hesitation applying this product on a door card --  although I will point out that the OE door cards are actually a subtle two-tone, and that would require a second color-matched dye and masking to re-create properly.

Parasol's dye product is packaged in standard metal paint cans. You could probably get it delivered by surface shipment, but I'm not sure about air. 

Sydney is a pretty big place and has lots of industry, so I'm pretty sure that you could find a domestic paint specialist like Parasol somewhere in your city (or in Melbourne or Brisbane).  Like Parasol, they`ll probably also offer a range of surface preparation products to use before the dye application.

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10 hours ago, Gav240z said:

Yes would love that, the old plastics get very brittle - especially after UV exposure so if I find other colours (that are less brittle) I can always dye them, same with the door card.

I've had trouble finding SEM products in Australia before, but please do send along any instructions and would love to see photos of your results!

Oddly enough I don't have a full on picture of the driver's door.  the attached pic at least shows a part of the door.  Its just starting spring here and I still have the car in storage, so I can't get a better picture right now.

Below are instructions that I followed many years ago to apply the SEM to a new black door panel.  It has held up extreemly well  I can't recall who gave me the instructions, so apologies for not being able to give credit where due.

Marty

Painting the vinyl and plastic in a Z is easy.  There are 2 sources for the dye.  If you don't have a paint gun, find SEM vinyl dye at a good paint store.  SEM is the only way to go, and I have never found another product that works as well or lasts so long.  It also looks totally natural.  They have Satin Black for your 240Z, and Napa Red for your red 240Z.  They have ZX colors, too. Please do not even consider any other brand.  Been there, done that.  In my experience, there is no other brand that has the correct gloss, durability, and chemical composition to bond to the vinyl.  SEM is about $7/can.  I use 4-6 for an entire interior on a 240Z.  If you have a paint gun (door jamb gun is good, HVLP jamb gun even 

better). Dupont has vinyl dye that is comperable to SEM.  It is about  $20/quart.  Does one car. 

 

Preparation is everything! Here's my process: 

1.  Remove seats and carpet 

2.  Use a couple of rolls  of paper towels to clean all the vinyl/plastic (VP) with a water based cleaner (soap/water, ammonia, Mr Clean, Mrs Pineoil, ect).  Let dry 

3.  Wet wipe the surfaces with lacquer thinner.  Not Enamel or poly thinner, just cheap lacquer thinner.  Wipe and scrub and scrub.  You will notice the VP getting soft.  Stop before you ruin the grain pattern. 

4.  Now shake your paint can. If using the Dupont, it is ready to spray.  Mask off all the unpaint items.  I use Big Gulp bottoms taped to the gauges. 

5.  Rewipe the surfaces quickly with a very wet paper towel, and start fogging on the dye.  It is very thin.  You may end up with 5-12 coats to 

get good heavy coverage.  Let dry, and you are done. 

 

Note:  DO NOT PAINT THE SEATS.  IT WILL RUBv OFF EVENTUALLY ON YOUR 501'S. 

 

The Napa red is a precise match for the Datsun red interior.  Even a patch of paint will blend in to the existing panel. 

 

The theory behind the lacquer is that it chemically softens the VP.  When you apply the dye, it soaks in and grabs the substrate. 

 

Dupont also has texture paint to redue the texture for Ford Bronco tops.  It so happens to look like vinyl when it is dry.  I use it to redue the sill plates... It also works for roll bars to spiff them up.  The stuff is bulletproof when dry.  It does not match the Datsun sillplate vinyl exactally, but it is a lot easier than trying to recover that rusty piece with contact cement and vinyl.  This paint has to be applied with a non-HVLP gun (your normal old fashioned gun is not HVLP).  It's the pressure that makes the spiderwebs as it comes out, 

which then coagulate into the vinyl texture.  This coating can then be recoated with black semi-gloss vinyl dye. 

 

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Thanks for the suggestions, there is a blue vinyl paint available locally here.

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Dupli-Color-Aerosol-Paint-Vinyl-Fabric-Paint-Blue-311g/324090

It's worth testing on a sample piece and comparing how close to original it is. It might work ok for the plastics anyhow, but maybe not the diamond vinyl or door cards so much.

Otherwise I'll get a paint match done and see if a local company can mix something up.

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On 3/23/2018 at 10:09 AM, Gav240z said:

Thanks for the suggestions, there is a blue vinyl paint available locally here.

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Dupli-Color-Aerosol-Paint-Vinyl-Fabric-Paint-Blue-311g/324090

It's worth testing on a sample piece and comparing how close to original it is. It might work ok for the plastics anyhow, but maybe not the diamond vinyl or door cards so much.

Otherwise I'll get a paint match done and see if a local company can mix something up.

Dupli-Colour is a well-known brand, so that's a plus.  The (one) customer review on the merchant's site is positive, and that's encouraging too.  The problem, of course, is that the colour probably won't match the seats (which are major components of the interior and aren't a good candidates for vinyl paint).  If the match is close, though, this could be a really convenient solution. 

Those doorskins from RoadsterWerx look great and the price seems reasonable (or, at least, it's in balance with other interior restoration products being offered for the Z).  Having spent dozens of hours restoring the skins on my car, I can tell you that 'patina' is highly overrated.  If these skins had been available when I re-did mine, I would have bought them instead of doing the resto. 

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I know what you mean, but part of me is inspired to keep the "original look" cars like this Mazda R100 sold for over $120k AUD. In part because of it's unrestored nature.

http://musclecarsales.com.au/?cars=unrestored-1971-mazda-r100

However I am also a fan of "restored", see here.

https://goo.gl/photos/2CqZgy8DV7GjTfqr7

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