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Anyone on this board into rally racing? I've been watching it on Speedvision a lot lately. I've always been into racing, but, this looks like it would be a lot more challenging than a standard race.

I'm interested in it, where do I start looking and who do I talk to?

I'm really interested in the Zcar aspect of it.

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I love the crap out of rally racing. If I would use a Z car it would be a 73 model 240z because the gauge of the panels are a little thicker. Also I think that it would be the perfect motorsport for those rusted out 240z's because if you wreck there is really no lost (LOL). :D

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Here's a link to a video from Speedvision. It's about

18MB, so, better have a fast connection. I also paused

it once it started playing to let the video load all the way.

Anyway, awesome video compilation with music by

Linkin Park.

http://216.149.233.131/files/movie/wrc-high.wmv

(looks like that link no longer works :( )

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Yeah rally racing is the only kind of car racing I really like. Never cared for NASCAR, not enough excitement. I live on the west coast of Canada, Vancouver island. And I heard rumors of them bring a race to a mountain range about 30 mins from my house. So if they go with it I am building a care for sure. But I probably wouldn’t use a Z, I am going with an older carolla, like early 80s. I had a 1980 corolla once and it was basically a rally car stock. Sweet cars

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Rally racing looks as fun as can be! I think that a Subaru Turbo coupe would be a pretty great car for that as well. You can pick them up cheap and you can't beat AWD.

Mike

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Hi all,

Yep mike, I am considering also to do historic rallying in Europe as well. I even adjust the colors of my Z car to it. It now has the looks of a Monte Carlo ’72 Z car.

I will tell you the whole story later.

regards,

Guus vd Bol

Z-point

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Hiya Gus,

Looks like you've figured out how to add a picture to your name field on the left side of the messages! Good job! If that's the Z you're talking about... yes, it does look like it's ready for rally.

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Originally posted by StinkyFatPig

Yeah rally racing is the only kind of car racing I really like. Never cared for NASCAR, not enough excitement. I live on the west coast of Canada, Vancouver island. And I heard rumors of them bring a race to a mountain range about 30 mins from my house. So if they go with it I am building a care for sure. But I probably wouldn’t use a Z, I am going with an older carolla, like early 80s. I had a 1980 corolla once and it was basically a rally car stock. Sweet cars

Ya, it seems to me that the Zcar might be too heavy for sufficient rally results. The little Toyotas, Hondas, and Peugeots will probably run circles around it.

But, I don't know for sure... that's why I asked here.

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Originally posted by Mike

Ya, it seems to me that the Zcar might be too heavy for sufficient rally results. The little Toyotas, Hondas, and Peugeots will probably run circles around it.

But, I don't know for sure... that's why I asked here.

I’m not quite sure about that statement . Go to the next links to find out its possible to rally with an old Z and by victorious as well

http://www.lightman.co.uk/mjp/rally.html

Check out Rick Hintz's Z-TEAM at http://zhome.com/Racing/RALLY/Hintz.htm

A Z car has already a natural height from its self, you could see this as an advantage, that’s why it outraced the Porsches and the Ford Escorts in the safari rally’s in south Africa.

They went flat out thought the deserts, bushes etc.

Guus

Z-point

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Great links! Thank you. It is surprising to see how well the Z can do in rally. Starting as an amateur could work very well with a Z. It's a cheap car, easy to work on, and is a great performer.

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Originally posted by Z-point

Hi all,

Yep mike, I am considering also to do historic rallying in Europe as well. I even adjust the colors of my Z car to it. It now has the looks of a Monte Carlo ’72 Z car.

I will tell you the whole story later.

Z-point

So, what's up with the black hood? How did that become a color scheme for rally ? Did someone make this popular when they couldn't manage to finish painting their car before the race ?

How did this fad start?

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Originally posted by Mike

So, what's up with the black hood? How did that become a color scheme for rally ? Did someone make this popular when they couldn't manage to finish painting their car before the race ?

How did this fad start?

It started in the early seventies. All the cars that participate in rallies had that color scheme,

the Volvo’s, the Fiat’s, Porsches, BMW’s Datsun’s, Peugeots. The whole bunch, they all believed in it!

This color scheme was modern at that time because it reduced the sun reflecting in the bonnet. That rallies mostly where driven in the Mediterranean countries like Spain, Italy, Greece, the Middle of Africa, and Portugal.

They were a head of the world rally championship http://www.worldrallychampionship.net/ that is going on right now.

If you visit this link a lot will be clear how ‘we’ did it in those rallies!

Here are some nice links. I copied the pics from the Kyosho program. And as you could see, the rally cars and the Z432 from Datsun are equipped with a black bonnet.

regards,

Guus

Z-point

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I've read that there was a film done on the 240Z winning the 1971 Safari rally. It was the highest rating film in Japan that year!

Has any one ever seen or heard of it?

See the original car is in Nismo's museum!

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Rod, is that a pict from the museum? (I assumed it is)

Where is the museum located? Australia?

That is awesome and I'd love to see that. If it's in Australia, hopefully it's around the Melbourne area because I will be coming down there in Feb-March of this year.

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Originally posted by rodd

I've read that there was a film done on the 240Z winning the 1971 Safari rally. It was the highest rating film in Japan that year!

Has any one ever seen or heard of it?

See the original car is in Nismo's museum!

Hi Rodd,

Is your name Westwood? In that case long time no see :-))

We spoke way back in '98 about modelkits of the no.5, remember?

I knew about the cars are kept in a museum but did not know where. You brought me in a good direction, Nismo!

I do have a Japanese magazine with awesome pictures of the two cars but as I can not read Japanese I did not know if it was an ‘old’ story or what. Now I know they are alive, yes!!!

When I got my scanner back (broke up) I will send you the picture of the magazine.

About the film you mentioned I do have some video about the safari but I have to dig in my stuff.

I will come back to you a.s.a.p.

Regards,

Guus van der Bol

Z-point

Holland

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Mike

I'm afraid its in Japan.

I'm in Torquay, about 60miles south of Melbourne. How long are you in Melbourne for? I'm a real 240z nut, have a big collection of Datsun models.

Guus

Yes I'm Rodd Westwood.

The monte car is also in the museum. I wonder how we could track down the Safari movie. Have we got many japanese members.

I'd love to see your safari footage.

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Originally posted by rodd

Mike

I'm afraid its in Japan.

I'm in Torquay, about 60miles south of Melbourne. How long are you in Melbourne for? I'm a real 240z nut, have a big collection of Datsun models.

Rodd,

I'm still trying to plan the trip. One week will be to work (only 9-5), but, I am considering a week to 'roam' Australia.

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Originally posted by Mike

Rodd,

I'm still trying to plan the trip. One week will be to work (only 9-5), but, I am considering a week to 'roam' Australia.

Rodd, Mike,

Here is an interesting link to an article about the two Z cars.

Rodd did you know about this?

http://www.zdriver.com/articles/full_article.php?ID=84

I think I have to be friendlier next time to Mr Katayama maybe he will invite me one time.

Guus

:D

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Yep

Thats where I got the pics from.

Guus did I ask you about the LeMans 240z?

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Hey, I have access to the Le Mans car, it's still in France. I plan on doing a litle article on that car later this year, if the owner is Ok

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A article on the Le Mans Z would be great. I have some few pictures and the 1:43 resine model. At the 24 H de Spa there once raced a red 260Z 2+2. Is anybody on the list who knows about that car or who has pictures or an idea how to get more infos. The belgian automobile club couldn't or wouldn't helpp on my e-mail request

Rolf

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Hi guys,

Sure an article would be super!! The world isn’t that big anymore.

I always thought the former rally cars were gone but this list brought me back on one foot.

No Fred tells us even the Le Mans car is still alive….Is this heaven???? I’m back on two feet’s now.

We do have pictures enough now we want to see the real Car. Fred by al means. Search and rescue!!!

Greetings,

Guus

Z-point

:D

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Hi all,

the 260 was also quite successful at the Bandama Rallye and with Shekar Mehta on the continent. Does anyone have more information on the Museum in Japan. I heard some rumors that there is another interesting rallye car that is quite unknown to the public: the 280 ZX that appeared in Greece, Portugal and - I'm not shure - at the RAC in GB. I'm looking for pictures of that car ond technical details. I think the drivers had been Japanese.

Sorry for mentioning a Datsun ZX on that Z page but concerning Datsuns in Rallye it's of interest.

Rolf

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I started building the Fujimi 1/20th Lemans 240z and would love pics of the original if anyone has any.

Love to find out more details of the LeMans 240Z.

All I know is that it was an ex rally car, ran at LeMans twice, finishing one year and crashing the other I think.

Thanks Rodd

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Just to update DOEHRING about that NISMO "museum" in Japan; in fact Nissan showed two of the Works S30 Rally cars they still own at the NISMO headquarters ( called the "Omori Factory" ) in Omori Tokyo. This was a special promotion in late November and early December 2001 to coincide with the "NISMO FESTIVAL" event at Fuji Speedway, where the "new" Fairlady Z was shown to the general public ( to be sold as the "350Z" in the USA ).

Nissan actually still own at least three S30 "240Z" Works Rally cars, as well as many other important ex-competition Datsun, Nissan and Prince cars. However, these cars are normally kept in Yokohama ( in a building called the "Nissan Memorial Sports Hall" which is in reality a large hanger that is not open to the general public ). One day maybe they will make a proper museum..............

Please note that the Nismo HQ at Omori, Tokyo is most definitely NOT a museum! This is the main HQ of NISMO and is very much a working and creative facility, with race-car building and planning going on, as well as special servicing on high-performance Nissans for customers. This site was originally the HQ of Datsun Competition ( "Sport Corner" etc. in Japan ) and has a great and long history. The two S30 Rally cars on display were the no.5 car driven by Rauno Aaltonen on the 1972 Monte Carlo Rally ( finishing third ) and the no. 21 car driven by Edgar Herrmann on the 1971 Safari Rally ( overall winner ). Both cars are in amazingly original and unmolested condition with fantastic patina and almost nothing missing.

I was lucky enough to visit the Omori Factory at just the time when the two cars were on temporary display ( I also visited the NISMO FESTIVAL at Fuji Speedway ) and the staff there were kind enough to let me take many photos of the cars after crawling under, over and all through them. Anyone who thinks that these cars were anything like a "standard" car would be in for a real big surprise....................

Another genuine ex-Works 240Z is currently under restoration in the UK. There are very very few survivors of the Works rally campaign.

DOEHRING asked about a Rally 280ZX possibly entered by a Japanese privateer crew on the RAC rally in the UK. I photographed this car several years ago in a small museum in Japan near Fuji Speedway. I still have at least one photo and I will try to dig it out. It was indeed a privateer effort, sponsored by the Japanese importer of CIBIE spotlamps - and the museum that the car is now in belongs to the CIBIE importer. That car was nothing like as special as the Works S30-type Rally cars.

Perhaps DOEHRING would like to get in touch with me if he is interested in more info.

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