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"Whole family" thank you, kats

Hello, When I brought my 240Z to Las Vegas 2000,I have got an advertisement of these cars next to the register counter.I still have it,there were so many Zs listed in it,our #51(10/69) with L24-002239 and #305(11/69) with L24-002514 too. For me,if these cars still keep very hard to find items like chrome Z emblems,rare plastic small parts etc,which were applied only for 1969 Z,then I would consider to buy.But $5000 would be my best if I would buy for this rusty condition. What about if there would be a flawless Restoration completed 1969 car, but it could not keep its original hard to find items?Replaced by easy to find later parts?I would not be interested in it.I would not buy it for $50000. I want a 1969 car with non-restored and keeping all the original small items perfectly for $25000:p if I did not buy a Z432. Alan,we are doing the same.I have been trying to tell the universe of the Z for Japanese people.They do not try to see overseas model.They(magazine) are always talking about 240ZG and Z432,I hate it !! You have been trying to tell the hole family of Z. I strongly support your statement "S30" it is simple,it is core of the car.We just add ,HL,P,whatever. I can see something has been changing. I will start a good place we all have fun to debate about "before October 1969" kats

Hi, I will never sold my Zs.I drive and drive them until they worn out.I do not keep them displayed in the garage,it is not good for maintaining mechanical condition.I do not care stone scratch on the fresh paint. Sometimes I ask myself how long I can enjoy such an old car?I am afraid someday Global worming,gas run out,etc will make me stop driving an old car. I am not serious right now but sometimes I think like that. I know if I sell my Zs I can not earn same amount of money which I payed for.I will loose lots of money even if I sell them right now.Even more I loose more money when I sell after 10 or 20 years later,Zs will accumulate lots of miles and no-more clean condition,and what if there will be the regulation of Prohibition of driving old car? I do not have any idea what I am doing after 10 or 20 years.So,I want to enjoy right now. kats

I will upload of some videos,operation of 8 track stereo system. Also do you want to see the different lighting system from the U.S. model? And rally clock operation? Two cars are locate very far from my house.So it will take some weeks. kats

Hello,and thank you all. Alan and Carl make this thread active and spread more.And of course other folks' inputs are very important and interesting.Thank you always. For me,this is interesting.Why Nissan sold "stiff suspension" for Europe,"soft suspension" for the U.S. For Japan, both.How about Australia? HS30 for U.K. and Australia are completely same driving ability? HLS30 for U.S. and Europe are completely same driving ability? Mr.Miyazaki once told me when he was a chief of test crew of Europe 240Z,the team brought a 240Z with very very hard suspension to make good lap time at turn pike.He said 240Z was supposed to be enter Montecarlo rally before its debut in Europe,for PR.First he felt it was too much hard,but German Nissan said it was good. I know there was a DATSUN sports department in the U.S. And I know Mr.K likes sports car very much.He did great support for motor sports in the U.S. Did Mr.K think 240Z as it is just fine to sell every body? Mr.K thought if someone want to race 240Z,just buy parts from DATSUN sports department,didn't he? kats PS : amendment,Mr.Miyazaki told me two Z432s were sent to the U.S.Not just S20 engine. The one was a Z432 and the other was a Z432R. He was told the Z432R was crashed. If someone find Z432 and Z432R's wreck,please report here!! Carl,yes Z432's seat basement is painted black this time.Original is my 240Z's seat.See the picture.

Thank you lots of input every one, My love for my 240Z has not changed at all.I love it very much and I love everything related with the 240Z especialy U.S. 240Z. I am loving Z432,and learning Z432.Soon I can not say which is the best for me,I will say I love them "Both". Remember I told about Mr.Miyazaki (please see #24 in this thread) he said he was told one Z432 sent (exported?) to the U.S. but soon it crashed. And one S20 was sent too. Let's find out who is hiding with S20 in his hand!!Must be somewhere. Mr.Miyazaki said Z432 was not exported to the U.S. due to emission regulation which was getting harder and harder at that time.Engineers did not think about a smog pump with a S20.It looses power,it does nothing good for S20 as a racing engine. And consider about service and repair surpport in the U.S.,Nissan thought it was imppossible to expect good number of mechanics who can really take care of S20 engine. ( I do not know about this,but same in Japan,the old Z432 owner told me he had to drive 500 miles to Tokyo Nismo service center for maintainance of Z432 in 70's.) What about Europe and Australia? No smog requiered.I do not have any idea.Cost of S20? maybe.Let me think about price conversion back in 1970. The 240Z in the U.S. was $3,526 ,I chose the Fairlady-ZL to the best comparison was 1,080,000JPY. Z432 was 1,850,000JPY. S20 engine was saying aprox.700,000JPY. Z432=1.712x ZL , so if Z432 was on sale in the U.S.,the price tag would be $6,040:eek: :eek: (please do not take this seriously) What do you think of this price range?No-more good price?What about value for money in this case? I said before,S20 engine has no problem in the High temp operation,I feel disapointment that Z432 was not exported.Like Arizona and Texas,Florida people could enjoy and buy Z432. PS:spare tire bord is two piece for Z432. The seat belt hook for JDM is this location. kats

Thanks Mike , and Alan,I am going to London this month,15th Jun.Is there any chance to see you there?I also tell Len that my flight is set. You are very strict!I have to be honest,my Z432 has lots of "non-standard" parts.Front wind screen,plated axle,front break disk(first slotted hat originals were installed,but they are not enough thickness),door weather strips(originals were tried but they are too thick the doors didn't shut correctly,replaced to the later soft and thin one) My 240Z is now 7 years old from restoration,well maintained but not clean.I think my 240Z is purer than Z432,240Z has lots of original parts from body panels to screws. First of all,before I decided to buy Z432,I had hated Z432.My best car in my mind was DATSUN 240Z.Because Every time Z432 show up in the magazine,journalists say "top model of S30 family" What is the definition of "top " in that case?The highest price?I did not agree. S20 engine ?I was very suspicious about S20,because many many Z and skyline owners say "S20 engined car(Z432 and skyline GTR) is not so fast on the street,modified L series is faster and easier to drive than S20.those car is always difficult to set up and maintain for good condition." Now I found,Z432 is very exciting car.My first ride was last year,on Mr.Yoshida's car.I was surprised S20 engine is so sexy looking and sound,torque engine and sharp response for the throttle control. And my 1000miles driving with renewed Z432, Everything is tight,suspension is good,steering ,throttle and clutch pedal are needed little more muscle than 240Z.These feeling is very exciting for me. I feel "I am driving car!" I think 240Z is very soft everything.I know it is 7 years old from restoration,I can not compare directly with the car fresh off the restoration shop. One thing I want to tell you all,I was in heavy traffic jam on the highway on this 1000miles driving with Z432.I had to go a several feet ,then stop.I had to repeat this almost 40 to 50 minutes!!Outside was very hot,I was worried about water temp.I unlatched hood lock to give little open for air flow and turned on heater.I always do this 240Z when I have to drive in a jam. Water temp of Z432 had been stabilized in the middle all the time.That was better than 240Z.240Z's temp is higher little more in the same situation. S20 engine has well considered water cooling system and cross-flow intake and exhaust system gives good operation,fuel will not be heated,you can not get fuel vapor lock because of the fuel pomp is near the gas tank and three carbs are opposite side of exhaust manifold. Thanks, PS the picture is Mr.Yoshida's Z432 kats

Thank you Chris! Some one noticed this Z432's hood is NOS but later type.Original hood came with,but paint finish was not completed before I picked up. Now the original hood is in painting,please note the edge of the corner,it is very simple metal press.This is the earliest. kats

At the Tokyo old car show,two 432s were there. The Orange one is Z432-R,this car belongs to Mr.Takeuchi and is well known as a best example of Z432-R.We see this car on the book and web so many times. You can see the Z432-R's oil cooler,non-master vac of the break system. I have got a NOS oil cooler but I will not install it.S20 engine is very good for cooling,my driving style could be "too cool" for the engine.If you race it and always go up to 10000rpm,you need the oil cooler.If you install it,you also need a pair of special bracket for the dual horns. And,FRP hood.This is not After market.This is original,very cool. kats

Hi, I intentionaly remain original early choke plate,because NOS one is available but there are "ON" on the face,it is slightly later one.I painted it by my self(left one) Also I intentionaly not replace the seats,they are very nice as 37 years old. I am always saying the difference of shape of the seat back.This early(possible DEC 1969 or Jan 1970 made)seat remains its good shape.I love that.Two plastic side guards are came with. The two dove tails are very very rare now,they are very easy to crack.How many Zs are still equiped with these early thin parts?They are the originals,Z432 got NOS for right and left.They are not interchangable. Plastic hook for the seat belt is different from 1971- model.But I know more earlier hook is metal core and rubber dipped.We can say Jan 1970 has plastic small hook as a second version,can't we? Also,I noticed Japanese Z has hook on the very upper side of the seat back.Almost near our year when we sit.Looking at U.S. Z,the hook on the middle of the seat back.Near our shoulder.Only very very early Japanese Z like on the brouchure has same location like U.S. Z. I have never seen shoulder location except 1969 Z in Japan. I collected all metal emblems for Z432 like my 240Z."432" is still available at local Nissan but they are plastic.You can see the difference between "DATSUN" and " Z" both are metal and for the hood."Z" is thicker than "DATSUN". kats

Hello all, Carl,there are some S30 famous drivers still can ride in the restored/original or replica S30 in Japan.We can see both(Zs and drivers) at Nismo festival every year.Alan reported very well some time ago with pictures. But I have not seen the very first Z432-Rs which run at the race in 1970 nor the very first 240Z (in 1970,Japanese market did not have 240Z yet.But RHD shell powered with L24,I think it is not just HS30 for export.432-R shell with L24 I guess) running at the festival. daddz,thank you always,I want to bring my Z again but,I do not know when can I do again.My dream is two Zs from Japan are driven by me and my son across in the U.S. I will need to take a few months vacation:) I have not thought about format of date stamp,it is interesting.Let's gather as many as possible,then we can see some trends.I wish I could have chance to see the original carpet! I drove Z432 1000 miles in two days.That was very fun to travel. That days were very fine,strong sun shine and temp rose like summer. So many bugs sticked on the front section,but Z432 was always fun to drive. Now Z432 is sitting next to the 240Z,I have just started comparing generally and precisely each other. kats

Hello Carl, Yes I know what you are talking about L24 with plastic fan. I think that early days,some important things were not settled down yet,like this sales catalog said. U.S. Nissan planned to sale standard 240Z(150ps with S.U. carbs) and sports model 240Z(175PS with solex carbs)??? For the Z432,there were 180PS model which is tested in the factory.It has got sports cam,valves,exaust manifold,etc.Engineers pushed this 432 to be listed on the brochure as a standard Z432. But that model was not listed.They all disapointed that decision. I recently became to know Mr.Miyazaki Takeo who was a Nissan engineer and talk with him by E-mail. Mr.Miyazaki told me very interesting S30 developing story which I have never heard of. He tested not only Fairlady-Z,also 240Z.Especialy he tested HS30,because he was in a europian 240Z team. Late 1960's and early 1970's,there were still conflict of Prince and Nissan.Mr.Miyazaki said Nissan bought Prince,but Nissan really did not use their skills. kats

Hi, I do not know much about Skyline,but this shop is worth to look at. http://www.shiraishi-eng.jp/5_gallery/photo.html kats

Hi Jack, That is a very interesting story,I love to imagine when your Z was on the trip by a ship.The Australian lady made a good choice of colour,blue Fairlady is very rare and I love blue.We hardly have ever seen this color on the road.Japanese people like to have White and Silver still nowadays.They do not want to have fun with colors? Especially for old days like 40 years ago,people chose not-loud color.To own a sports car,that was not usual thing for ordinary people.Even the people could have Z,they chose white/silver.We often say why so many Fairlady Zs are white or silver?Because here in Japan! I think Nissan knew this Japanese choice,then the factory made many white/ silver S30 prior to receive customer request.On the other hand,in the U.S. there are lots of Orange Zs,are not they?I guess Nissan was reported people in the U.S. love to have Orange for a sports car... Hi Chris A, The black box is an aircleaner box.It contains an wet paper filter.On the 432 run up video,you can see the orange box attached carbs,that looks like an air cleaner box,but it is not.It is air induction box.The orange box is connected to the black box. Attached pictures are from the Fairlady catalog. Cooling fan is made of plastic from the beginning of its production,not like an early L24 used a metal fan. You can see how is engine mounted , it is slant not level from the ground in order to make the drive train axle strait to the final gear. So the engine of S30 (L-series and S20)has to be high.Skyline mounts engine lower than S30.But drive train axle is not strait. kats

Hi Carl, Please do not ask me. I need to find good excuse for my family.BIG BIG problem:tapemouth kats

Again, thank you everyone enjoyed watching my web site. What would I say if some one asked me to explain my impression of Z432 briefly? I would say " racing model from the factory,sexy sound ! " and "it is given many special parts" and " that is why it is heavy". S20 engine is about 440 LB, L24 is about 400 LB. Front section is relatively heavier than L-series model,Z432 got stiffer spring coils for all the suspension and front struts are slightly different. Following items are OEM parts for Z432,please enjoy seeing and paying attention to these items which NISSAN (Prince,Alan can tell much more ) put a lot of effort and cost. I list up as much as I can remember, Engine #1 S20 enigne with 3 MIKUNI carbs(it is slightly different from Skyline GTR's, oil pan,cylinder block, exhaust manifold ,etc) #2 nicely fabricated exhaust manifold #3 air cleaner box and related parts #4 aluminum radiator with a reservoir bottle #5 Transistor igniter system #6 electric fuel pump located near the final gear Other #1 rear suspension got sway bar #2 R 192 is the final gear #3 twin tail pipes exhaust system #4 Tach displays max 10000x #5 rally clock is standard #6 reclining seat mechanism is standard(this was not available for the U.S. until mid 1971) #7 Magnesium wheel is standard(including a spare) #8 432 emblem(All early emblems are casting metal,same as other S30 family) Jack,is your Z is Japanese Z? i.e,Fairlady-ZL?I would like to hear more:) This Z432 remains a lot of original early parts,Chris will be interested,like bonnet bumpers,red dot mirror,seat bottm side plastic guards,seat belt holders,non-small acess door for the tail light interior trim etc. But Mr.Moroe who did this wonderful job,put lots of OEM parts for this Z432.I did not nothing,I just talked with him a lot and I showed my intention during this restoration. kats

Hi, pictures of the dash and tach. 44 12 26 (26 Dec 1969) for the dash, 15 11, 9, (15 Nov 1969) for the tach. kats

Thank you everyone,I am happy that you enjoyed. This Z432(PS30) is PS30-00088 and the engine is S20-000884.Japanese Z does not have a manufacture data tag,but we can see this car could leave the factory Jan/1970.Official data for the Japanese automobile production shows PS30-00073 is the first one for the 1970 production. I noticed these, 07 Jan 1970 on the basement for the steering horn pad(actually it is 45 1,7) 15 Nov 1969 on the back of the tach meter My feeling is,the basement for the steering horn pad is very close to the date when it left from the factory,I have seen other good examples.What do you every one think of it? My 240Z has 02 Mar 1970 on the basement for the horn pad.My 240Z has 03/70 for the door jam tag. I will tell you about differences & interesting features on the Z432. Thank you, kats

Hello, I renew my website a little bit including a Z432's pictures and films. Please enjoy the sound of S20 engine,it is a natural born racer! kats here is a link, http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903

Chris, I wanted to enter the stock class in Long Beach.But I did not know what happned,all japanese tourists Z car entered daily driver class,I think total 16 or 17 cars from japan.Only very few japanese people found that mistake,2 or 3 cars are managed to change other classes,modify or nissan modify etc. I was told from my friend,but it was too late.So I changed my mind. Chris,do you remember I said "stay on daily driver class is a good idea".This is true for getting a trophy.But more than that,I wanted to enter the stock class even I knew my car could not win in that class.Anyway I drove my Z very often sunny day and rainny day.For me,daily driver class was suitable for me,was not it? kats

Hi Chris, I know the car like an Gold Medallion is perfect and very very special.I can tell the perfectness when I see the car just a little bit.Even I do not see all the components,inside of the door panels,plastic trim, inside dashes,inside engine,under the carpets,I can GUESS the car must have all the parts are clean and new and correct time period,and perfect working order. I know to win an Gold Medallion is not easy,VERY VERY hard.The car is so wonderful.That is why I feel happiness when I look at the car.At this time I do not have any question about the car win an Gold Medallion without operating check and performance check. But still we do not actually see the parts are all collect nor are operating and performing as it left from the factory. That is why I said virtual, "VISIBLE" area is the only one matter right now on the ZCCA rules.If you want to win the Gold Medallion,you have to have correct period/clean OEM parts only VISIBLE area. Enrique said nicely what I was trying to say,thank you. How about this,comparing the car's performance to the data of Road and track issued 70's.Dash test,panic stop test,steering and suspention ability.Also fuel ecconomical performance,we know 240Z is a new kind of ecconomy car! So, we do not need to buy metal emblems/steel correct date stamp wheels/cylinder lock/fuses/harnesses/relays/fuel vapor tank etc.These items are not making any profit for the score! It does not matter the Gold Medallion car have a different year door/hood/body panel unless they look "same".Only need to be clean. It does not matter the car have a rear window defogger is inop. I know,the Gold Medallion cars are all perfect.I do not have to be worried about.Just I am not happy about deduction system.I payed a lot of attention for small things,but they are all worthless.I wish someday ZCCA take consideration for these small things which owners pay attention to. Thank you, kats

Thank you Will and Marty! Chris will want to see the lapms on the bumper... kats

Hello Carl, This discussion is very fun to read,I feel too.Now I may interrupt but let me say this. I wish oneday ZCCA could set a new category " Truly stock class". This class requires a car must beautiful and clean,also a car must run and perform as it left from the factory.Need to show up car show day and truck day.Cars are checked its 0-400 time (or HP check on the machine) and have to operate all the electrical system. What I am trying to say is,I think under the rules of ZCCA "stock class" can not find a real stock car as it left from the factory.The rules only see a car's virtual area.We do not own a model car,we own a car which is driven."Stock display class" is suitable,is not it? I know I am saying idiot.But very few people can echo with me? I wish I could see real stock car in the future. I am very looking forward to seeing you Carl! kats

Hi, I have got OEM fog lamps,please enjoy the pictures. Unfortunately,these are both RIGHT lamps. I found only stay is different.Other parts are exactly the same. So I need to make an arrangement a little bit for applying to the left. kats

Hi gnosez, Thank you for remembering me,I think you were wearing a hat? I have never seen such an organized convention in Japan,we do not have serious competition like ZCCA. So I was really excited and nervous how much the judges are looking into my car.Off course I new my Z was not able to win the goldmedalion. Now my understanding is,for 1969 and early 1970 owners,we do not have to buy early parts with a big fighting money on ebay. Emblems do not have to be metal,plastic is enough. "D" hubcaps do not have to be early big tab,later "D" hubcaps are enough. Wheels do not have to be 37 years old,neither have to be 4.5 and do not care about date stamping. Rubber hoses do not have to be braided,not braided hoses are enough. Screws and clamps as well,do not buy early just buy clean latest one. But we want to have fun with small parts,every day we get new findings.I love this community here,I can talk with you all and I can show you what I want to say. kats