Recent 240KGT Purchase, Help.

[kyteler]

Hey all, I'm fairly new to this place, I've stumbled across it a few times in my noseying but moe recently I stumbled across it whilst investigating the Skyline 240K, I saw at least one person who frequents this abode owns one and was wondering if they (I forget the name, sorry) or anyone could tell me a bunch of things any they can think of to look out for and take notice of with my new 240K.

It's a KHGC110, partial GTR replica, that being it has GTR badges on it and a GTR lookalike grill (just a standard one with the centre removed)

I'd be keen on knowing main rust areas and basicaly anything I can be informed of about it.

Thanks in advance,

-Michael

1973 Nissan Skyline 240K

[Alfadog]

Me?

There is also JMT240KGTR here on the board. What to look for I guess would be all the pretty standard stuff, and the rust areas are strangely (not) similar to the Z...

- in the bottom of the doors

- In the bottom of the front fenders just in front of the doors

- In the dogleg panel at the bottom after the doors

- Under the battery

- Under the spare tyre

- In the roof around the edges

- In the floors

Just check everywhere, basically!

Hope to see you here more (in numbers we can be proud!) and I'd love to see some pics if the sale goes through?

[kyteler]

Hey there,

Yes, I think you were the one I was referring to, you have the white one in your photo gallery?

I've checked the car for rust and other than slight surface rust where the vinyl roof had been removed and not sandblasted back, it seems fine.

There's also slight surface rust in the boot but it's the kind of stuff you scratch at and it comes off.

The guy who I bought it off said he'd owned a few in his time and this one was the best, basically rust free, overall good condition.

The interior is a bit shabby but it's not too bad really missing the front left carpet, a few tears in the cloth seats and the parcel shelf vinyl is cracked and split obviously sun piercing through the large flat back window isn't good for vinyl.

It's spent about 10 years of it's life in covered storage and has 89000 genuine k's on it.

I simply couldn't pass it up for $1500NZD, especially considering it's wearing Japanese 3-piece Alloys with Dunlop 205/55/15's Directionals, they'd cost near that price alone, I might not be keeping them on though cause they look good but not quite right, I've got a set of Chrome Jollys that were on my brother's old 79 280ZX 2+2, but I've yet to try them for a snug fit in/under the guards, being myself and my brother drove 1200km's there and back to get the car, I can deal with the fact I haven't tried them yet.

So in general I'm quited stoked with the car thus far, I've yet to take it for it's Warrant of Fitness but I don't see it having any problems, the Reg is on hold so once I've got it's warrant it'll be put back to use again.

It didnt have an air cleaner on it but I had a RamFlo lying around so I slapped that on and thankfully it was the exact carb size for it, which is excellent.

I've got to change the oil and filter and flush the radiator and things just so I know it's done and fine and then she'll be ready to go.

I do have some pictures but they're not too flash, how does one go about creating or putting an album of sorts on?

-Michael

1973 Nissan Skyline 240K

[kyteler]

I found the upload photo section, they're now just waiting to be cleared.

Hopefully they'll be up soon.

-Michael

1973 Nissan 240K Skyline

[Alfadog]

I saw your pics! Looks like you have quite a few "Skyline" bits on it... the rear spoiler and "Skyline" badges as well as all the stuff you mentioned...

One thing about your WOF, I'm not sure if they'll like the lack of a mirror

BTW, Invercargill is a beautiful place

[kyteler]

The mirror thing should be fine for the WoF, however I am getting them sent down by the guy who I bought the car off he had them sitting in a box somewhere, the guy who had it before he did had them taken off, god knows why.

He also has some Triple Solex's and manifold for the car, which I'll be getting off him at a later date. And a few more bits and pieces like spare doors/glass/etc. he wants more money for those which is why I couldnt get them at the time.

-Michael

1973 Nissan 240K Skyline

[Alfadog]

He may have taken them off to put on some fender mirrors, like a real GT-R

If he has any spare Skyline badges..............

[Bruce Woolmore]

those early Skylines being looked after! They always were a bit of a wolf in sheeps clothing {thought the oz guys might be able to relate to that analogy :-) }

[kyteler]

From what I understand, they ARE front fender mirrors, and steel at that, not little plastic ones, so they'll be going right back on there when I get them, without a doubt.

The skyline written on the side of mine is actually Screen-writing but there is a wreck at a local yard that I'm going to take a look at and hopefully get some badges and chrome and anything and everything else I can off of it. I know one side of it definately has the "GT" badge in red/silver (like the modern skylines have on their front fender panels behind the front wheel) and the Skyline badge but with the "S" missing is there too, but if I get those I think I'll be keeping them.

Quick question, when you put the foot to the floor accelerating for as far as she'll go, does it only change into third at 110km/h?

-Michael

[Alfadog]

Is yours auto also?

I have never put my foot to the floor until 110kmph so can't say! I wouldn't imagine it would though, as at 100kmph in 3rd I'm doing about 3000 rpm I think.

Lachlan

[kyteler]

Yeah it is, but the guy I bought it off has a 5spd from a L28T DR30 that I'll get off him sometime in the future, he also has a pedal box and every conceivable part for changing it to a manual, so, once I've got the money and all the parts, she should be quite a lethal machine.

3krpm at 100kph, I'll keep an eye out next time I take it for a run.

But yes I floored it and it seemed like it wasn't working properly and it finally changed into 3rd gear at 110kph but driving normally in a non psychotic manner it seems to change and ride fine enough.

-Michael

1973 Nissan 240K Skyline

[kyteler]

I went into the wrecker today to check out what was left on a 240K that was in there, the guy let me have a look around it, which was a bit of a mission being the car was situated ontop of another car, however I did manage to grab 2x GT badges, w/ broken pins (they're actually plastic ) and 1x Skyline badge, the other had the S missing so I didn't think it worth it.

The interesting part however is that it wasn't actually a 240K. It was a L20 2000GT-X so the interior (well, what was left of it) was slightly different, the steering wheel was different, and the dial/knob where on the 240K is nothing, beside the hazard lights is a park light knob, so it's obviously not needed on the 240K hence it not being there, I'm going to grab the 2000 GT-X badge from the grill which was sitting inside the car not attached and the other badges and probably eventually maybe even grab the door trim 200GTX badges and probably the side and quarter windows. Sadly the tail section was missing because I'm betting it would have a NISSAN badge instead of a DATSUN one like the 240K should have.

Wrecker yards are fun.

[Alfadog]

Wow, a 2000-GTX ! I would really like the steering wheel off of that, but finders keepers I guess :tapemouth

Um, just seeing from your avatar picture, you have GL tail lights, not GT... not that it matters mechanically as I think the GT was simply higher spec in air con and a tape deck etc... but your car might be a GL not a GT.

Japanese C110's didn't have Nissan badges on the rear at all, simply "Skyline" and "GT"... see attached

[kyteler]

Well, I'm not too worried about getting the wheel to be honest, so if you want me to find out how much the wrecker guy wants for it, I can if you like then I'll figure out how to get it sent over, just so you know though, the windscreen has been missing off of the GT-X so the wheel and most of the interior is faded and split.

I don't think I do have the tray but the one in the wreckers does, yeah, mine is a GL, but I'm not too worried about that. :classic: I only wish it had the tail light section that would have been good to take a look at. Do you know whether the 2000GT-X has the same as a GTR or a GL?

[Alfadog]

Hey I've sent you a PM, I think the GL was the only model to have tail lights like that, all other models had the middle reverse and brake lights reversed...

[kyteler]

No, I think the only one to have the reverse lamps centred and the park lamps on the outer was the GTR, I've got images/scans of a German 240KGT sales brochure that I'm translating using babelfish, being they're images though it means I have to type it all out, there's about 6 pages (incl. of pictures) all up but I should be done soon, I do it when I'm bored, but with my new car, I probably won't be too bored anymore.

I'm going to take another good look through the car again on Thursday so I'll let you know what I find.

Also, if you want the Sales Brochure after I've converted It, I'll send it to you, I'm going to put the translated text over where the German was/is, but there are a few words that dont get translated and I've tried to make it as english as possible but if it doesn't make sense in places you can usually still get the general jist of what they're trying to say.

[Alfadog]

Talking about this one? I'd love the translation once you get it done - might be worthwhile posting it here for others too?

The European car in the brochure also has a funny looking steering wheel, but yeah you're right about the tail lights. Strange though... as I could have sworn the GT had the same as the GT-R...

How very odd...

[kyteler]

Yeah, that's the one, I think you'll find the strange looking steering wheel is actually the one that belongs to the 4door, well, that's the impression I got at least.

I'll post the images when I'm finished in my member gallery thing then, where the pictures of my car are, that should work out well for everyone involved.

Maybe you've seen a GT with a GTR tail-light section, if so, you should go chase it up, would be an excellent find.

[Victor Laury]

Michael and Lachlan,

I'm following your discussions with great interest. Since we never got these cars in the U.S. , It's all new information. These cars were L-6 powered classic Datsuns and I consider them "On Topic".

Michael, I hope your budget can include the Solexs and the 5 speed swap! What a sweetie you'll have after those modifications! Take lots of photos.

[JMT240KGTR]

Nice pics you got there, esp the C110, look good don't they? Had a couple myself but alas, lack of time and money prevailed:(

You mentioned fitting a DR30 5 speed, keep an eye out on g'box length, I believe they are shorter than a C110 box (bear in mind a C110 auto and manual are the same length, straight swap). And fit a 2.8 with flat top pistons or use the the 2.4 con-rods to increase comp ratio, 30/70 cam with the triple carbs, believe me it will fly. Next time you find yourself checking out an R30 Skyline, take the Elec dizzy & coil, this will further improve your engine.

Very cheap mods will make your C110 a very quick car, but when fitting the triples make sure the you've got good comp ratio as mentioned and the 2.8 engine, when all bolted up and taken out for the drive, you will notice the change, big time!

Interesting auto shifter you have there, in Oz the shifters were black plastic T auto, not that sporty look you have, looks great! The interior is good as well, damn I wish I could get a nice coupe.

As for the tail lights, I may have mentioned to Alfadog or someone a while back on how to get a GTR look, I've done it with my earlier coupe (no pics), but you need to get your hands on another set of tail lights to do it. It involves a) removing the reverse/brake light unit and separating the two from one another (pretty easy) using the spare tail lights remove them from its body and filing away some notches etc to enable it to fit the old reverse light assembly. (Keep an eye out for the sealant in there, its very well preserved so take your time removing it, I done it with a flat screwdriver.) c) when re-assembling the new reverse lamp unit use a quality sealant also, not some glue, but a proper one like say windscreen sealant or something. Now what you have is effectively 4 red tail lights but the centre two are working as reverse lights, this is fixed by routing the wires from the centre two to the existing tail light wiring, and fitting a small clear lense lamp somewhere as a reverse light. I mounted mine within the "beaver" panel, cut a small hole and mounted the lense flush with the panel so it wouldn't protrude and look crap. Just route the reverse wires to this lamp and away you go.

Tedious, but to get that look with limited options, it worked fine and looked good, esp at night with the 4 tail lights on.

I've also seen a 2000GT-X here in Oz a few years back at the wreckers, but didn't think at the time to check it out (stupid).

Anyway, good luck with your car, it's in great condition.

You got me jealous!

Cheers..

[kyteler]

Yeah the guy who had the car before me is a Datsun enthusiast has done all the working and checking out, apparently the box is the right one for a straight swap, the trans X-member is a bolt up job and the driveshaft wont need to be lengthened or shortened so, once the trans is in pedal box and clutch etc will just have to be sorted and he's got all those bits, he was going to make it a beast but the same thing as happened to you, happened to him, lack of time and money.

That and he's got a billion projects going at once it seems, there's the shell of a Datsun 1600 in his garage as well which he's got twin solex sidedrafts for and a partially re-assembled R32 GTS-t that belongs to his son, he needed the room in his garage and the money for house renovations or some such thing.

I didn't mind I got a wicked car out of the deal, oh, and so you know, $1500NZD is roughly $860USD and $1300AUD so I think I got a good deal, hell, even if i didn't I'm happy It's old style, RWD, 2door and has a straight 6, all the necessities for a REAL sports car, and once it's converted to manual, there'll be no denying it's prowess.

Once I've got it all ready I might roll on up to one of my local car yards, the guy who owns it has a mint condition 240Z would be good to have a picture of them side by side, if only I had some polished watanabe's then it would be complete.

I'm not too keen on cutting the rear guards apparently they're a dime a dozen in japan now being that everyone has cut theirs to make GTR reps, so it may be beneficial to leave it as is and just get some flares for the front.

Oh JMT240KGTR, is it any particular model of R30 that the electronic dizzy will fit from?

And and for everyone to stare at I've attached a picture of the Triple Solex's. MMMMMmmmmmmm, Triple.

[JMT240KGTR]

Yeah for sure you've got yourself a very good deal there, well done.

R30 Skylines w/EFI is the go. Make sure it has the larger coil than a standard points dizzy model, and the dizzy with the module with the 2 prongs for the wires. See below for wiring

[kyteler]

I've actually got a Mallory Voltmaster coil sitting here that I got for another car in the hope of getting an electronic dizzy for, which didn't happen, would it be possible to use the mallory instead of having to grab the coil as well from the wrecker (the wrecker is reknowned for being a rip off) or is the module attached to the coil or the dizzy itself?

[JMT240KGTR]

Further to mods, get a 78-80 model Skyline, take out the diff and fit to your K. Has a 3.9 ratio, better than 3.54 you currently have, unless yours has been changed.

Very quick with the mods your suggesting...

[JMT240KGTR]

The coil and dizzy are separate items.

Not sure about Mallory or aftermarket items, but more of the Datsun stuff that is interchangeable with later versions.

Thats the beauty of Datto's!!!!:classic: