TKR514

Well, accidents do happen. I can assume from your name "BambiKiller" that you have also had an accident that caused a death :-) Everyone has them, just hope all live through them and learn. I guess if everything less than a perfectly safe drive is also considered a failure, then we can criticize you poor driving skills? Maybe you can cut John a little slack.... Personally, I think flying has a larger safety margin than driving. Everything is separated by miles instead of feet and there is very little traffic. As long as you respect the limits, things usually work out as planned. I've had 3 engine failures in 30 years from various mechanical reasons but never lost my plane. Sometimes luck makes the difference.

Speaking as an experienced pilot, I can say that that John was a good pilot. He unfortunately made a series of dumb mistakes on a new-to-him aircraft. See also JFK Jr. I bought the story on Mr. Rogers, 'cause I know a guy who is very "Mr. Rogers like" but used to be a gunner in a Puff C-130 in Viet Nam....

just did it on an L28. About $250 in parts, $150 to get the block cleaned/honed at a local shop here in Texas... So about $400 if you have all the tools and books already and do it yourself.

Yea, probably wrong on that one, but it was never quoted that I can find. I do know that the areodynamics and cooling issues were not as important on the original Z(but then it was way better than an American car of the 70's). I do know that aerodynamis were better in the ZX as far as lower high speed drag and better stability at high speeds. I've always seen the Z as a great around town car and the ZX as a great interstate cruiser. Nither better, just different. Hmmm, Mr. Rodgers a sniper? I thought that he must have a past that he was hiding from

Well, numbers don't lie, people do. EVERYONE knows that the 2.8 in the ZX is 170hp if you measure it the same way that they measured 150hp out of the 240Z. The ZX also gains superb drivability with the fuel injection. The curb weight of 2970 was probably the GL 2+2 version, my stock 79 coupe that I've weighed is 2750. I guess that drag was never measured on the 240/280, the 79ZX had a 0.24 coeffiecient. I seem to remember that the early Z is something like 0.45. Yea, the 79ZX is not a drag racer. If I wanted a drag racer, I would have bought an American car with a V8. The ZX is a better ballanced car than an a fast American high-cubic-inch drag car. The 240/280 are not considered "fast" off the line either at 0-60 in just under 8 seconds. I agree with BambiKiller, the 78 Z was darn near a ZX anyway. The 79 ZX just added the "horrors" of power windows as an option... Yea, the Nash 2-seater has a following and is kinda cool. PeeWee, on the other hand, has neither IMHO.

Well, back in 1979 when I bought, you COULD NOT buy a new 1969 240Z. The choice was between a new 1978 and a new 1979. The '78 Z was very long in the tooth, still had rear drum brakes, heavy. The 79ZX was more rigid, better aerodynamics, better rust prevention, and better mileage than the '78Z. The ZX is stable in stock form to run all day at 130mph. I later picked up a used 77, but it never felt stable above 100+mph. The brakes are better in the ZX. The weight was the same or slightly less than a 78. Longest trip in the ZX was 512 miles non-stop on just under 20 gallons used. After 300,00 miles as the original owner without any problems, the 1979 ZX seems very ballanced, high quality, fun. Anyone who says a 79 ZX is heavy at 2750 pounds should complain that the new stock 350Z weighs MORE than a new stock Corvette...

Hmmm, over ar zcar.com autos-for-sale there is a nice 80 coupe 5 speed w/ leather with 71K original miles for $2,500...

Yes, you and a fraction of the population like the early Z. Of course, a fraction of the population loves the Nash Metropolitan. You gotta change or your limited market dries up. It's not corporate greed, just reality. Who would buy a NEW 240Z today for 20-25 grand? Not many as Nissan found out with their "factory rebuild" program. What, something like 15 to 20 were made before the plug was pulled? The original Z is good, but not so good that you can sell it today.... It was good in it's day 'cause everything else was such crap. I chose a ZX in 79 because I wanted more gas, better aerodynamics, stronger structure than the original Z. I got that and it was lighter than the 78Z's on the lot(thou only by 20 pounds or so). Just glad that the new heaviest and luxurious 350Z is doing well...

Yep, your fiend should. I think that those are out-of-production BSR flairs....

Yuck! Shoulds spent the bucks on rust repair before adding poorly installed flairs....IMHO.

"..was Freedom in this case only a welcome argument to motivate young people to fight and die for something else? What are we crying for? Blind obedience? " I don't know how anyone could misunderstand your previous message! No, no one is crying over blind obedience, but cries of thanfulness and respect to the soldier and his family. Simple enough. Semper Fi.

Datsun/Nissan had to cahage the 240Z. If your a "best seller", then the market dries up fast. Then you have to change the car to find what the rest of the market will buy. That's why the 79ZX was the best seller of all Z's since the sports market was oversold and they went to the next market segment. If Datsun kept the 1st Gen body into 1980 and beyond, it would have died out complely. None are best, they are just different.

If the interior is good as well, it might be worth that much. It would need to be in PERFECT shape to go for $5K. I would start with blue book & have the guy explain why you should pay more for his car. An 82ZX with automatic is hardly a collectable Z and would not command a high price just cause it's a "Z". Your buying a 20 year old car, know that it will have problems. I'm finishing up my 79ZX NA now. The full restoration to NEW condition is costing me $4,000 in parts. That was my limit 'cause I knew the blue book on a ZX was very low. It seemed silly to spend more than could ever be recovered in a sale.

Nissan has THE WORST web site design of any I've seen. Lots of flash, but takes time to figgure out how to navigate quickly and find the info that you're looking for. How much does the roadster weigh?

Doehring, please have a little respect for the dead and their families. Muchas Gracias.

I finally saw it on tape. It was a snooze, little technical stuff and no manufacturing footage. It seemed that at least 1/4 of the show was just a Z or two driving by the camera. The only thing it said about each new model was that it "was more luxourious". I did like the part about killing the British sports car imports. I had forgotten jus how quickly they died off after the Z came to market in the early 70's. Of course they did not mention anything about the Z's competion from the RX7 in the late 70's and early 80's leading to big changes in the design of the Z's ...

Very, Very Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best of luck with the installation. It looks great!

Agreed, buy the best one you can find. Parts and body restoration can eat you alive. I'm doing a full "refresh" all myself and it's hitting $4K in just parts. It would cost about $10K - $12K if I farmed the work out to local shops. Don't be fooled by buying a $1,200 240Z over a $7K-$10K one that has everything redone or one that has no rust and ready to go....

It used to be done quite a lot. It's not done much any more. I do not do it. For some reason I do not like the idea of breaking crud loose in the engine and having it move around and hopefully come out in the "right" place...

ANY brand of natural 10-30W, cheapest is fine. If it's well worn, bump up to a straight 30W. It won't make a heck-of-a-lot-of difference after 20+ years. Just keep it clean and go for it would be my guess.

Clinton WAS formally impeaced by the U.S. Senate on Friday , February 12, 1999, and recieved a majority of guilty votes on perjury but did not recieve the required 67 Guilty votes (a 2/3 majority) that would have been required to remove the President from office. Denial that the 42'nd president was impeached seems a bit silly... As far as Iraq, no, I do not have experience in Foreign affairs or direct military service. I assume that there is a reason for what is happening and that many will use the events there for political their own political gain over humaitarian gains. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.....

"if you cannot hate it enough, kill it." That's funny, I need to remember that one! I'm working on a book on Prejudice. One chapter is on "Politics is Prejudice". Can I use your entire previous post? It matches perfectly with the chapter. One side is loving, the other is hateful. One side is reasonable, the other side is compassionate. etc. My theory is that the same mechanism for prejudice is the same mental wiring that legitimizes group hatred in politics. The "other" side is wrong irregardless of what they do. Same as racism. Thanks!

Well, if BambiKiller has a problem with what's going on in Iraq, GO TO IRAQ and help out and set these guys straight. Go and stop the violence, go and stop the looting. I guess you can sit on the sidelines and complain(i.e the French position) but that hardly gets anything done. Do something or quit making angry noise would help support you ideological position. The Thread was started on how Clinton is responsible for the brilliant military victory in Iraq. That's a stretch, I'll only give him credit that he did not screw it up too badly for the next president to make limited use of it to enforce the 1991 Gulf War cease-fire agreement between the U.N. and Iraq. As far a Clinton the man, he's brilliant but not smart. A nice guy but an adulterer and lier. An elected leader but impeached. Charismatic but empty. I think he's the best PURE politician in modern times.

Argh! I guess no one reads history. The French did indeed loot their own city in 1789 in an overthrow. I can site other instances in Russia, India, China, and elsewhere in the middle east of widespread looting AFTER a dictatorship/empire is toppled. It happends and damn near impossible to stop as history has shown. I'm personally glad that we now have adults in the leadership that seem to have things well understood. I won't blame OUR leadership yet. If you wanna blame someone, go blame the "human shields" that were protecting fascilities or the millions of Iraquis that stood by and let their hospitals, etc be looted.

Looking forward to seeing it Saturday. My only thought when I bought my Z in the 70's was that not the the Z was great, but that everything else was a piece of crap. The Corvett was bloated and heavy, The British cars always "needs work", The Porsche was fast but parts would eat you alive The Mustangs were a joke in the mid-70's. Itallian cars cost beyond reason. That's the only reason I bought a Z (and still have it). It was reasonably priced, fun, and reliable. The same formula will make any new car sell. The same thing happened for the early Mustang and sold more of them in 2 years that ALL the Z's combined... nothing great, just well done.