Ron Carter

Alan, The scope of this conversation was based on a US car for sale and the value of the car in the USA. I do not doubt that the "works" cars are equal too or more for that matter. Alan, feel free to volley any time you would like The ball is in your court

Dogma, I hear you. My first 240Z was my daily driver up until about 8 years ago. It was always a challenge to keep her on the road when I could barely rub two dimes together. You get that teleporting thing worked out and give me a call, okay! I will have to settle for a Stone Brewing, Arogant Bastard Ale. From our local brewery tonight! Yeah, Mc D's no thanks. Ron

Thanks Carl, As the cost of a restoration goes up, the value of our cars will go up, which I think is a positive thing. We value our marque. I think that we will see very fine specimens selling for the kind of numbers I quoted in the very near future. I would like to make it to 70 as well, and beyond... This is the last year I can say I am 30 something. Ron

My car is not for sale, it has value to me past $$$. However, My friend Dave sold his BRE 510 replica to Adam Corrola (formerly of the man show) for 19.5k about a year and a half ago. That car graced the cover of Grassroots Motorsports a few months back....

Dogma, first this is a discussion and not a flame. And we can agree to disagree. 1)(enjoy your lunch was said in fun based off of your wendys comment, not as an insult) this is not a personal attack. 2) I dont see any posting from "Carl" on this thread, do you mean Carl Beck? I know Carl Beck pretty well. We have spoken many times in regards to his restoration of his BRE Z. There is no disrespect meant...I dont know what you are referring too!? 3) I have a very clear understanding of how eBay works, and several of the cars you claim have not sold, in fact have sold at prices upwards of 30k. No, I dont have immediate documentation, But I do know one of Les Cannaday's clients that attempted to buy several of the Nissan remanufactured Z's off of ebay for just less than 30K and missed out (I understand he tried on several occasions) So he just spent 38k for a full restoration of a 70. 4) I am not a " Young Ricer" 5) I have owned (and driven) and more than 4 240Z's over the last 15+ years and currently my BRE replica can be viewed from the link on my signature, or in the most recent copy of Sports Car International. 6) There is only one original "roadracing" BRE Z left and it is Gerry Mason's. This car has tons of history and if it were for sale would get those kinds of numbers. I know that Nissan would buy the car if it ever came up for sale BTW. They (Nissan) has made it clear to me that if i ever sell my car that they are interested. 7) what do you call a "normal" restoration? and how do you value that? 8) Who am I! My name is right on my posts, I have spent the last 2 years building my BRE replica and I can tell you from first hand knowledge that it would cost at least 30k to do a good restoration starting today. Who are you!? 9) You can put an illuminated 73 heater panel in your 72. I put one in one of my 71's. 10) Remember in written form there is no way to read in the"tone" of a conversation.

Bambi are you in your 70's!? I dont know Burt Diamond, is that the red 240Z that was on the cover of sport Z mag a few years back?

The "factory resto Z's" from a few years back are reaching $30k+ on ebay. Ten years ago, a good friend of mine sold an All original 72 for $12k. To even look at doing a full restoration on a 240 from Classic Datsun (one of the best restoration companies in the country) will cost $30k+!! not including the price of the car. We are at a time where the original parts are running out and the value of these cars are starting to climb quickly. We are talking the elite of the elite here not someones quasi-restorod 240Z. Dogma I think you need to re-evaluate. Oh, and enjoy your lunch.... PS, I know that Gerry Mason's BRE 240Z could easily sell for $100k, if it were for sale.

Valuations and reasoning: the most valuable 240Z's would be original race cars with history ala, Bob Sharp and BRE 240Z's; I would speculate values upwards of $100k. Followed by all original low mileage cars somewhere around $38k to 50k, followed by very good restorations (in the low to mid $30k range).Then Early serial number cars below 500, then 1970 240's, 71 /72 240's, then 73's. Dont get me wrong, a really clean all original 73 is worth more than a fair condition early car, and in some respects are better as pointed out above. but, poor carburation and added weight makes it a little less desirable. 260Z's that were only made for one year have never been considered a collectors item.... Just my $.02

Sorry Ed, present company excluded okay!?

12k will get you a really nice race motor....then you just have to buy / build the rest of the car.

And it is a 73 which is the least desirable 240z also...

Simple clean and to the point....Let them know what your driving after you have passed them

I think it is good that we are seeing an increase in value of our marque although this car is truely misplaced. This car has clearly been repainted, you can see a color change on one of the front shock towers. In original condition, a 72 and earlier with correct parts (under the hood) and the engine compartment as clean as the exterior it might be worth a little less than they are asking. To me this looks like a $6k car in its current condition.

I can understand your frustration. I bought my 70 with the understanding that it had been hit at the front passenger side wheel and had been repaired correctly. When I got to seriously looking at the car for a resotration. It was a mess....It was very hard for me to part with this Z, but I did it and found a really clean chassis with a blown motor for $1k. Sold enough of the stock parts off this donor car to pay for the chassis and started from there. These things can be done afforably, if your patient. If you can't wait, do what you can. R

Fixing damage like this is risky on a 30 year old car. I would suggest inspecting the frame rail back and underneath the floor pan for any crinkling where the frame rail has been pushed back into the body as well. Track down someone who has experience with these cars, or foreign cars at least. Repairs can run from a few hundred to a $1k+. Be sure that who ever is pulling out the damage has dimentions of the original car. Since this car is 32 years old it is likely that most shops will not have the correct measurements and you will need to supply them with that information. Finally, be sure that this is the chassis you want to restore. I had a 70 that I was going to restore originally, and elected to buy a replacement chassis instead. To do a full restoration, you will want to start with a good foundation.

les Cannaday of Classic Datsun sells them, they are not a dealer option that I am aware of. Les Cannaday 760-940-6365

What Car are you bringing down? I have a good friend flying down from Pleasant Hill...

Having driven both cars, the 350 and the TT I can say that they feel the same in the drivers position. Small low windows, sqat profile to the cars. The TT has a windshield that stands up a little more than the z. There are some styling differences but to be both cars look like oversized bull frogs with wheels.

you're probably right, I would look for a vacuum leak first.

George, I saw that car in person...it was just okay.

Nissan experemented with a retro style that was just plain ugly...Too many compromises. I thought that they should look to the current Aston Martin / Jaguar for styling, not unlike the original car. A sleek supercar that is affordable. The current 350Z is to clunky and fat looking. I prefer the G-35 to the 350Z...

Alan & Carl, Can you take your flame inducing diatribe off line please. You guys can kindly disagree, and discuss this, but this is getting out of hand. I feel like I am reading a script from American Chopper. Please show some restraint and manors. Thank you.

I stand corrected, Torsen Gleasen not Borg Warner...Oops.

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