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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Different somewhat, probably because it is a series 1 car, but this one looks really good (and likely original) to me compared to many I see on previous BAT (Bring a Trailer) cars. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-datsun-240z-65/ (around pics 62-67)
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
I added clay to replace the material that was removed from the bores for eye-browing the block. I then put the head gasket on, lightly bolted the head on, and ran the engine through revolutions to check for valve interference. When I took the head off, there was none that I could perceive - there were no marks in the clay. Of course, this engine is bored over a bit, so there was that chance before mocking it all up that they would not hit. 🙂 After checking that, I pulled all of the clay off and combined it into one piece which measured out to less than 1 cubic centimeter. So, compression ratio is not significantly reduced. Some pics - Cylinders 1-6 in order: Additionally, my fuel line assembly was pretty bent up, so I put it on the engine in a mock up fashion and worked on straightening it for an hour or more with a crow bar, vice grips (with wood stirring sticks used for protection from marks), and a hammer. It looks ok now, but I wonder about the brackets, if they are near original in appearance, or if they are quite bent still. The parallel aspect of the two lines seems pretty good to me. The brackets dictate the height of the lines along their lengths without much variance. I want to be sure the shape of the lines in the assembly is all sorted out before I send it off for re-plating.
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
I am getting close to satisfied with the block eye brow and combustion chamber mods. I have a few areas I see in the pics that need attention. I actually can see them better in the pics because I can zoom in on them and compare from one cylinder to another. So this is helpful to document them in this way. Cylinder 1-3 and 4-6: Cyl. 1 exhaust (front of bore - also note ring location by rust stain), Cyl. 2 exhaust (back of bore), Cyl. 3 exhaust (back of bore): Cyl. 4 exhaust (front of bore), Cyl. 5 exhaust (front of bore), Cyl. 6 exhaust (back of bore: Cyl. 1 intake (back of bore - also note ring location by rust stain), Cyl. 2 intake (front of bore), Cyl. 3 intake (front of bore): Cyl. 4 intake (back of bore), Cyl. 5 intake (back of bore), Cyl. 6 intake (front of bore): I think I have those all labeled correctly. Of course, I also still need to assemble everything in mock fashion to check clearances.
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Tranny/Diff Ratio and RPM @ Speed
I created a spreadsheet many years ago that is nice for exploring transmission options. Here are a couple of screenshots: In the rows below the screenshot above, I have the speeds in gears return in formulas for each 1000 rpm This sheet is nice because it accurately (I think) takes into consideration the tire size as well as the rear ratio and the gears. You only change a few parameters... and, it allows you to plot speeds in gears and look at a graphical representation: I used it recently to investigate using a 240SX transmission. If you want to use it, I can upload it somewhere for you. Let me know.
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Chambers 1 to 6 in order from left to right after very little ground away, only nearest the valve and to the fire ring: I put the entire head inside a plastic bag and taped off everything so I didn't get any grinding dust anywhere in the head or valves, etc. I will check valve to block clearances next. Before the head goes back on for good, I will address any sharp edges that remain.
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Thanks for your comments! Yeah, is hard to explain. Basically, if you look at each of the pics of chambers 1 through 6, and look at the 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock positions specifically for each, only chambers 1 and 2 have edges that match up with the fire rings... and further, for the #1 chamber, it is only the exhaust valve side that matches up (3 o'clock position in the pic), and for the #2 chamber, only the intake valve side matches up (also the 3 o'clock position in the pic). All of the other combustion chamber edges (at 9 o'clock for all chambers, and at 3 o'clock for chambers 3 through 6) are not yet cut as far as the edge of the fire ring. So, I am saying it seems like I need to open the chambers at those positions for each chamber so that they all align with the edge of the fire rings in the gasket. Understood. I have to provide clearance for the valves, so trying to do that, and I am assuming that breathing benefits that come from what I have outlined will be worth more than compression lost from the mods. I have no idea though - so if there is an expert who chimes in, that will be great! Yep, it is oval. It is wider at 3 and 9. And I'm not touching anything at 6 and 12... or 5 and 11, or 7 and 1 for that matter. I probably went a bit far north and south with the eye brows I already cut in the block at the 3 and 9 positions. The rest of my mods to the block will be more central to the 3 and 9 positions, generally. Agreed. And yes, the gasket has been compressed once. But I will leave a small amount of material there so I am not precisely at the fire ring with the edges of the chamber. The two edges mentioned above that are already matching up are REALLY close.
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Thanks. I appreciate the positive reinforcement! I have been studying it and the cylinder head for a few minutes each of the past couple of days. I want my next steps to be right ones. Checking the gasket against work that has been done so far on the head (valves are marked with cylinder number): The work already done to open up the breathing on the exhaust for #1 and intake for #2 puts the edge of the combustion chamber at the gasket edge, but only for these two edges: It seems desirable to do further work on the other sides of each of these chambers to align the chamber edge to the fire ring also... and to do the same for the areas where the chamber wall is close to the valve heads in the other chambers as well. That said, the tops of the bores are not as wide as the chambers in the matching areas, even after eye-browing. So, the question is should I open them outwards to match? And, should this be done for both the intake and exhaust valve sides of the cylinders (safely above the number 1 piston rings of course)?
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Alright then. I took the head off today. The head gasket didn't stick to the block or the head, so I think it is reusable. After I got the head off, I went to work on modifying the gasket. I used a washer with a 1/4" hole to guide the drill bit. With the gasket modified, I turned my efforts on eye-browing the block. Hopefully, I have not royally screwed up here. I removed the timing chain, rotated the crank to get the pistons below deck, and then covered the block with a plastic bag, and cut out the top of it so I could access the tops of the bores. piston 1 - pic taken from passenger side - front of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 2 - pic taken from passenger side - front of piston is toward the top of the pic:: piston 3 - pic taken from passenger side - front of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 4 - pic taken from passenger side - front of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 5 - pic taken from passenger side - front of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 6 - pic taken from passenger side - front of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 1 - pic taken from driver side - back of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 2 - pic taken from driver side - back of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 3 - pic taken from driver side - back of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 4 - pic taken from driver side - back of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 5 - pic taken from driver side - back of piston is toward the top of the pic: piston 6 - pic taken from driver side - back of piston is toward the top of the pic: A few more pics: I did this with a die grinder and oval cutter. Tape and bag is still in place. I think I will switch over to a tapered roll and try to look for inconsistencies to address... as well as smooth the eye brows to final finish. I am well above the top ring land currently, and inside the fire ring on the head gasket as well. I was being cautious (I hope!). I will check clearances and continue - before I bolt the head on.
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240z values - 4 speed vs 5 speed
A comparison of RPMs and speeds in gears between the US spec 4 speed, 3.36 and stock tire size vs. a 240SX 5 speed, 4.11 and 196/55-16 which will go on my car. This tire size is a bit small perhaps. But, I made a slight miscalculation before I bought them, and I am trying to keep the tire from rubbing at all on my stock sheet metal (and the car will have aftermarket springs which will lower it also). Besides the high RPM of the 4 speed for interstate travel, another thing I do not like about the 4 speed is the gap between 2nd and 3rd. Performance is decent in first and second, but then a noticeable lull when then shifted to third.
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Well, thanks @Racer X for getting me to look at this closer. I continued looking at pics and reading through some old posts and I see a problem that I did not before. Coolant holes in the gasket are not to my liking. My head gasket: My block and head: A Nissan Comp MLS gasket: So, at this point, I don't feel good at all about the gasket I used. I should have checked the coolant holes. It seems best to pull my cyl. head off at this point. I still have the issue of pistons above the deck by .025" and all the thoughts shared earlier in that regard. So, will have to see about how best to proceed. First step is to take the head off.
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Hmmmmmm. I chose not to do that for this engine. Prompted by your question, I did some researching of eyebrow notching the L24. I found that some people's L24's had valve to block contact. I became a bit concerned that I missed a required modification to keep the larger exhaust valve (or the intake) from hitting. I found a couple of relevant threads: It looks like I should have checked mine out specifically for clearance issues. The head has been bolted and torqued with a new Nissan gasket at this point. I don't know if it can come back apart without replacing the gasket. Kind of a pain... So, my block is bored .030" over which is more than the .5mm Carl mentions. From a valve clearance standpoint, I am probably ok. That said (and I will attempt to verify as best I can without removing the head), is it highly beneficial to do?
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6/1971 correct valve cover bolts?
😖 UNACCEPTABLE Rebel!
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6/1971 correct valve cover bolts?
Hahahahaha! Oh man, there are better things to do than that for sure! Welp, it seems with our little sample of three, that there were... "variations" 😜 In case anyone cares, here is what Nissan has in stock - the part number changed again by the way:
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Restoration of HLS30-12070
That is a job very well done. Couple of questions if you don't mind? What is the 24271-2P010? Does that part number correspond to the dark piece of thin foam? Did you reuse the original vinyl on the flap door? The hardware... is original and re-plated? Did you lose any when you had them re-plated? I am concerned about losing smaller stuff like those sheet metal screws when I send mine off to get re-plated. When I took my heater core assembly apart, I saw evidence of some foam which was originally glued to the sides of the heater core. It was only about half as tall as my replacements in these pics, but you might want to add that to block off the air gap between the core and the sides of the box, if you didn't already do that.
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6/1971 correct valve cover bolts?
Can anyone confirm that these are the correct valve cover bolts for a 1971 240z? The ones that came with my car were not original. These came from a slightly later engine - I believe they are from a N42 block/N42 head L-28 (which is probably from 1975 or 1976).
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240z values - 4 speed vs 5 speed
Dude... Have you ever done a roof replacement on a car fitted with a sunroof? That is a lot of time and effort. Four speed vs. 5 speed does pale in comparison to that, for sure. Regarding rust... I am so glad to be restoring an original AZ car that then sat in a Colorado garage for 28 years as my starting point. I couldn't agree more regarding 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, and 11.
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240z values - 4 speed vs 5 speed
Too funny - hahahaha! I just don't want to rebuild my 4 speed transmission. Seems like a waste of time and money to me. I have decided to put a 240sx 5 speed transmission and 4.11 Quaife lsd diff in the car for now. I will keep the original 4 speed and differential stored out of the way on a shelf in the garage. 🙂
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240z values - 4 speed vs 5 speed
I have the original driveshaft from my 6/1971 car. A quick search seems to indicate that the diff didn't get moved back until the 1972 model year cars. I'd have to look at my suspension pieces to confirm that the change wasn't made yet in the production.
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240z values - 4 speed vs 5 speed
My memory fails me I think. I recall getting a custom driveshaft made for my 12/70 car to get the 83 280ZX box to work with the rear end after correcting for driveshaft angularity by moving the diff back more in the car. Was a custom driveshaft not necessary? Is it not necessary for the same transmission added to later 240z's? I am also about to put a 240SX 5 speed in the car I am restoring. I'm not sure if a custom driveshaft is necessary for that application, but will determine soon enough. I realize that is a different 5 speed entirely and not part of the point I was attempting to make. Thanks for your comment.
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
The English differential carrier for my Japanese car has arrived! The 4.11 differential has been dis-assembled: My plan at the moment is to strip, prime, and paint all of the gloss black enamel parts of the car that haven't yet been painted... in one day! That will require suitable planning and space. I am thinking I will wait until I am 100% done with the car body work and have carted it off to the paint shop. That will free up a lot of room in the garage. The list of items is extensive: front crossmember front control arms front compression rods front strut housings front strut springs (both stock and aftermarket) front strut upper spring seat front strut upper mounts front ball joints anti-roll bar anti-roll bar mounting reinforcement plates anti-roll bar mounting brackets steering knuckles steering arms outer (already painted) steering rack housing steering rack mounting brackets steering rack u-bolt brace steering shaft with u-joint front wheel hubs front differential crossmember - diff and front suspension mount differential limiting strap brackets differential rubber isolator mount - front differential rear mount - mustache bar differential rear mount - mustache bar washers with bonded rubber differential case differential front flange to driveshaft driveshaft (already painted) rear suspension crossmember - rear suspension mount rear suspension vertical supports rear suspension brackets - control arms to vertical supports rear suspension control arms rear axle shafts rear axle shaft - inner flange to differential rear axle shaft - outer flange to axle/hub rear wheel hubs rear brake backing plates rear strut housings rear strut springs (both stock and aftermarket) rear strut upper spring seat rear strut upper mounts engine oil pan engine mounting brackets engine mounting isolators transmission mount transmission mounting isolator clutch slave cylinder handbrake handle assembly (partial) radiator gas tank driveshaft (already painted) seat frames lower seat backs upper pedal box (already painted) clutch pedal (already painted) brake pedal (already painted) gas pedal brake booster one way valve mounting bracket brake booster mud guards inside front fenders hood tension rods front tow hooks rear tow hooks battery upper frame Then again, maybe I will do a couple of batches - it might be easier in the long run!
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
I went on another quest to find hardware that I have not run through the prep process yet and it led me to my seats. The seats had been recovered at one point, but thankfully, whoever did that work didn't disturb much of the original construction. So, I was able to take pics and document how things were done at the factory, which I hope to replicate accurately. Some disassembly pics: A piece of material was glued in place over top of the straps. I found that interesting as the material is just a canvas type cloth was not inherently flexible. So, I don't think there was much give in it compared to the straps which were elastic. The "U" shaped wires that hold the straps to the frame were some of the hardware I was after for re-plating. The "elastic" straps were stretched and hard as concrete. This should be considered a mandatory replacement item for "original" 240z's with this type of seat construction for sure. Bare metal in the seat frame that hasn't even surface rusted. Original foam application from the factory included a thin sheet glued to the back of the seat with edges wrapped around head rest foam and then covered by a super thin clear "bag" of plastic I disassembled both seats, and collected the hardware I needed to get plated. Both of my seat back adjustment knobs are cracked, so I will look for some that are not. The design is not very good on those - they are not very sturdy. It would be nice if there were some one piece billet ones available, but that is not likely to happen. I saved all of the seat foam - in case. I plan on buying new foam which is available from online sources. I have black seat upholstery that was made by Distinctive Industries, and understand that I have to pair that up with the correct foam version (there are a couple of options available currently) for proper fit. For now, the hardware from the seats will be cataloged and bead blasted, tumbled, etc. I am running out of hardware to track down... I think! I am looking forward to moving on from the hardware stage of the restoration.
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Parts Wanted: Fair price paid for 240z parts I need
View Advert Fair price paid for 240z parts I need Hi, I am attempting to restore to a high standard, a 6/1971 240z. Here is my wish list of parts I'd like to track down: original radiator without automatic transmission fittings - need upper and lower tanks/caps to be usable Seat recline knobs (not cracked) -- item #6 in the picture here: http://www.carpartsmanual.com/datsun/Z-1969-1978/body-240z/seat-slide/type-1-adjuster-seat/6 plastic vents in front corners of the engine bay (no tears or holes in the vents please) brake master cylinder and caps - correct for a 1971 240z. hood latch top plate (no dents or damage) 1 adjustable length throttle linkage rod with plastic ball joint on each end - long or short - either one metal engine fan blade assembly and possibly mounting hardware Amco - aftermarket rubber floor mats original nissan power antenna or power antenna parts 4 pieces - rubber trim glued to corners of tool door compartments (compartments are in the front of the rear hatch deck/floor area) original 14" Bridgestone 175HR14 RADIAL RD-150 spare tire. Prefer DOT code of (check DOT code on tire) "221", "231", "241" or "251", but let me know what yours is original carpet padding "jute" (brown horse hair like stuff). This "jute" was originally installed under the front floor carpet mats, under the seats, under the center tunnel diamond textured vinyl trim, and under the carpet in the rear hatch deck/floor. This stuff is fragile, and it would be nice, if you have any that is in good condition, to take some care with removal (it was glued to the tunnel) and care with packaging for shipment. Removal with diamond patterned vinyl trim/cover still attached (glued) to the top side of the jute would be preferred. 4 original hubcaps for a 6/1971 240z battery cover (plastic) related parts for 1971 240z original scissor jack and related red painted jack tools, yellow wheel chocks and black vinyl tool bag. I am looking for some in really nice condition. There are letters stamped into the base of the jack that need to start with the letter Q (1971), and then be followed by F (June) as the second letter, then followed by A through Z or AA through EE as the third letter. As best I can tell, I need a jack with any of the following stamps: (QFS, QFT, QFU, QFV, QFW, QFX, QFY, QFZ, QFAA, QFBB, QFCC) Garrett 434-227-2333 Marietta, GA 30062 Advertiser inline6 Date 03/06/2021 Price $1,000.00 Category Parts Wanted Year 1971 Model 240z
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Parts for Sale: 16 X 7 zero offset Panasports (two) - low useage
Did you want to revisit these? I recently sold some items and the buyer used their workplace to get better shipping rates. He emailed me FedEx shipping labels - shipping was a lot cheaper than my "walk in rates". Let me know if you might be able to get better rates. Wheels are packed up and I can get weight and dimensions.
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Restoration of HLS30-12070
Nice... I spy a reverse idler gear that looks like it has no wear. Did you end up replacing anything besides bearings, thrust washers, or seals?
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Restoration of BringaTrailer 240z - HLS30-35883
Ok, good to know. Before I send everything off, I will separate it out somewhat. Parts with rubber or plastic will be by themselves. Hopefully, I can have them treated separate to avoid damage. I don't have many parts meeting that criteria. Yep. From Jim Arnett's tip, I will be going through all of the hardware and using fine wire to tie together various pieces in groups. I will make sure no hardware is left in an assembled state when it gets put into a box to be shipped off. Those cap parts with the rubber on them are not in the box. The plating looks nice on them, so I elected to leave them as is. The plating on the outer rings of the caps was a bit shabby looking by comparison. So, I went ahead with the full process on them. Thanks for the comments!