original jute material

[HS30-H]

44 minutes ago, zed2 said:

I understand your observation.  I am a bit confused however, since the USDM Series 1 were shipped to the United States (US) without carpet and padding.  The carpet and padding were cut and installed in the US, therefore why would US fabricator make accommodations for Japanese market forward seat mounts?

Here is, perhaps, a reminder for us of the elasticity of the 'Series 1' term... I'm not a fan!

Wasn't it only the very first (whatever that means...) few HLS30Us that were shipped without carpets and ended up getting the locally made versions? I have a 4/70 HLS30U and it certainly had factory-fitted carpet when new. 

The jute section in question looks like a factory piece to me (?). If it is, then I'd expect it to have - at least - the cut-outs for the possibility of a passenger foot rest bar in the same 'tits-on-a-bull' (pardon my French) way that the tar mat does on my 4/70 HLS30U. The cut-outs at the rear certainly look to be in the right place, and the right shape, to accommodate the Japanese market forward seat mounts. Plenty of other stuff on these cars is there only because they were designed with other variants in the mix, after all.   

[siteunseen]

I was a Series I for a couple of years. Things changed now I'm a higher Series, a very higher Series. 

 

[zed2]

Prototype:

Natural color

Final color:

I have not yet trimmed the cutouts….I am still attempting to confirm the actual cutouts based on my 240Z production date.

The material I source is 39+/- 1" in width, currently I can purchase 10 yards, imported from overseas.  I then have to have the material color matched.  I then have to hang the material outside to reduce the fumes. The materials, chemicals, and labor for the two front mats shown above are approximately $450 all in (this is a set I plan to use).  As I have discovered on some samples, the color did not penetrate 100% of the material, leaving some of the original uncolored material evident.  Therefore, I may have to have the material color matched after cutting to pattern.

I have not tested the color for colorfastness, off-gassing in an enclosed vehicle, and water repellency or absorption.  Therefore, I consider any sample and my set a prototype.

At this juncture, it is not feasible to offer large pieces to others.  I want to get some samples to Z owners for their feedback.  Once I have confidence in the process and product I will make it available to the Z community.

Keith

Edited August 9, 2022 by zed2

[kats]

Hi Keith , that is so nice , I just imagine how much passion and efforts has been put into the jute . You will be rewarded I am sure . 
We will get to know how the jute pads are shaped . There are a lot of good examples here and there .

Kats

[bartsscooterservice]

On 9/20/2003 at 3:29 PM, kats said:

front flour jute pad

On top of that was a rubber mat?

[zed2]

For USDM, the early Z (Series 1) was delivered with a rubber mats.  A California based trim shop (Chester and Herod Auto Carpets, not located in Texas) manufactured a five (5) piece carpet set which was generally installed or included in the rear hatch area prior to the vehicle being delivered to the dealer.  Some dealers overlayed the carpet on the rubber mats.  Some dealers removed the rubber mats prior to installing the carpet. 

It is still unclear whether the jute underlay was factory installed under the rubber mat.  Why would Nissan have an underlay (that could potentially trap moisture) under a rubber mat?  Sound deadening perhaps? 

Keith

[26th-Z]

Regardless, the jute is under the transmission tunnel vinyl.

[bartsscooterservice]

18 hours ago, 26th-Z said:

Regardless, the jute is under the transmission tunnel vinyl.

Then it would be light weight sound deadening

[zed2]

The thickness of my reproduction jute is 9.59 mm.

Keith

 

Edited August 10, 2022 by zed2

[kats]

On 8/11/2022 at 2:52 AM, AZ-240z said:

I have a piece of NOS jute for the 1969-70 passenger side under-seat and tool storage area

that measures 8.27mm in thickness.

 

Hi Dan , thanks for sharing your mint NOS JUTE , this is what I have been thinking about.

Jute pads for S30 series are very hard to distinguish which is which especially this “ jute front floor rear “.
We have to get together and bring as many examples as possible with each date of manufacture to see what is original for a each car .  

I see 74922-E4100 in your picture, and it is obvious to be under a LHD seat in our LHD 240Z . 
 

Then how we can order for a  RHD seat ? Cars up to around 01/1971 can’t flip it to the other side because of different configurations for the other tool stowage. But there is no description of “ jute front floor rear “ of RHD seat in LHD 240Z “ in parts catalogs for export models . I checked both US and Canada , and other destinations of LHD 240Z . 

They list only 74922-E4100 , no specifying L or R . Even the drawing is wrong . It is the same on November 1969 catalog and December 1979 catalog.
 

But there is an answer in a Fairlady Z parts catalog . It lists for both , 74922-E4100 for Right side , 74923-E4100 for Left side. As you can see from this , they can be fit for both RHD S30 and LHD S30 cars , just need to switch L and R accordingly. 

But even a Fairlady Z parts catalog, it doesn’t list different parts numbers for cars when they have a reinforcement on the floor under the seat bottoms ( probably around April or May 1970 )  . Those cars have two piece jute divided by the reinforcement. Nissan didn’t think about it needs to list? Just cut them half and put them on !

And Dan , your NOS one has a unique feature, I am guessing that is for only very early cars like up to Jan 1970 . 
Two square cut outs for Velcro fasteners. 
 

My March 1970 240Z doesn’t have the cut outs ,

again Nissan didn’t think about applying a new part number for deletion of the cut outs . 
 

I show the jute pictures again which are provided my Z432 friend Watanabe san . His car registered in Dec 1969 , PS30-00063 . 

And Keith , I am very interested in your comments about early US cars have carpet set in the US . Look at Watanabe san’s carpet , I see beautiful loop pile .But I have been wondering why my US 240Z ‘s carpet looked different . 
If it is true , I will regret that I threw away my HLS30-02156 ‘s carpet set because they looked aftermarket for the car.

Let’s find out.

Kats

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by kats

[zed2]

7 hours ago, kats said:

And Keith , I am very interested in your comments about early US cars have carpet set in the US . Look at Watanabe san’s carpet , I see beautiful loop pile .But I have been wondering why my US 240Z ‘s carpet looked different . 
If it is true , I will regret that I threw away my HLS30-02156 ‘s carpet set because they looked aftermarket for the car.

Let’s find out.

Kats

 

 

 

 

Kats,

Is Watanabe san’s car a Fairlady Z-L( https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-13d7bc8a1f613356fb7f04775611b5c4/photos/1)?

Regards,

Keith

[kats]

Hi Keith, Watanabe san’s car is a Z432 , PS30-00063 December 1969 .

Fairlady Z-L and Fairlady 240Z-L and Fairlady 240ZG have  almost same goodies like Z432 . Carpet set including for side sill rails, stop watch , 8 track tape and radio player with a dual speakers , passing light switch , etc etc .

Kats

[zed2]

Kats,

I believe the "L" vehicles had some "luxury" features, including the driver and passenger floor carpeting.

My 1970 circa heel pad is shown below 

Please post a photo of Watanabe san’s car's heel pad.

Thanks,

Keith

[kats]

Ok I will ask him .

Kats

[kats]

Before getting back from Watanabe san , here are some pictures from 1969 cars at Tokyo Motor show , and Nissan Ginza head office gallery.The color pictures are 1969 Fairlady 

Z-L . As a side note , there are some indications which tell us this car is super early. No hood bumpers , tiny rubber bumpers on the inspection lid , etc . 
 

Kats

[kats]

Just for your reference, a set of jute and carpet of my Dec 1971 US 240Z which I sold it in 2021. I can't see the circular cut out which can be seen on earlier car. 

Kats 

[zed2]

Is this jute sewn to the carpet of your Dec 1971 US 240Z?

 

Also, heel pad appears identical to mine shown in #138 above.

Keith

[kats]

Hi Keith, yes the jute is sewn to the carpet , looks like it is original , an inspection stamp has an inspector name “ Hoshino “ on it , 1 K 15  15 will mean 1971 November 15th , the last ‘15’ is still unknown. 
This car has a set of 5 pieces carpet and 5 pieces of jute , all carpets have this inspection stamp at the back . 
 

Yes I think so too , the heel pad looked to be the same as yours , interesting! 
 

Kats