original jute material

[mdbrandy]

Originally posted by BambiKiller240

The ones I saw had a big "Z" for a logo instead of the "DATSUN" shown on Marks mats. They also were covered with many deep grooves to hold water.

Interesting. That's just what the mats in my new 280Z look like. Deep grooves and a big "Z" on them. Have to pull one out and look at it closer. Unfortunately, tonight is "fix the new car" night, since I blew the clutch slave cylinder last night on the way to a local watering hole, and have to replace it now. Actually found a local parts store that had it in stock! But that's another subject...

[26th-Z]

Car HLS30-00332 has tar mat insulation covering the rear deck just as you describe, kats.

[kats]

Hello,

Thank you very much,26th-Z.I was surprised that 1969 240Z has

tar mat insulator.

mdbrandy,yes this is typical 1969 240Z and japanese fairlady-Z.

abas,your 240Z is april 1970 but yours does not have insulator,this is very interesting and I have to revise my understanding.

I show my march 1970 240Z's rear deck compartment.

There is a insulator covering the floor panel.Closely look at around spair tyre bin,you can see the insulator on the floor too.

http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903/deckcomp.html

[abas]

Having just got the remaining jute material from my 1970 car out of storage after 10 years, I thought it might be helpful to post some pictures of what is left as a comparison to the patterns that Kats posted previously, which I think were from a Japanese market car?

hope this is of help to someone.

Andrew

picture1

Remaining jute in approximate position when in the car

[abas]

picture 2

[abas]

picture 3

footwell ( passenger side I think - Left hand drive)

[26th-Z]

Thanks Andrew. I made tracings of my old jute for patterns. I have the tunnel jute pattern as well. Your photos will be valuable to me as I compare what I was able to salvage to your "pristine" examples. Has anyone found a proper replacement material? I received a sample from LeBaron Bonney and it is not the same material.

[abas]

No problem 26thz, let me know if you need any better pictures. I have the rear deck jute too but I think Kats pictures are the same as mine.

Most of the new jute I have looked at over here is also not quite the same, but I keep on looking.:classic:

Hope the z convention goes well.

regards

Andrew

[DJACEY(UK)]

Andrew, can you please confirm the thicknesses of the original jute. Is the thickness the same for the floors, tunnel and deck ?

Thanks, Dave

[abas]

Dave

I'll check and post back. I've also just PM'ed you. :classic:

regards

Andrew

[DJACEY(UK)]

Am I right to suggest that there is also a piece of jute underneath the diamond vinyl that sits behind the tool boxes ?

[abas]

Dave

If you mean the vertical diamond vinyl behind the tool boxes, then no, there is no vertical jute at that point. The vinyl is just stuck to the vertical surface using contact adhesive or similar.

regards

Andrew

[DJACEY(UK)]

Andrew, exactly what I thought until I noticed a piece of jute (item 15) on microfiche section no. 113-4 ? I guess this was never actually used ? Perhap the US boys can shed some light when they wake up in the morning ! Dave

PS. I started to insulate my Z with self-adhesive (500mm sq) rubber - looks great ! Soon be cutting the jute - any luck with the thicknesses ?

[26th-Z]

I'll have to do some research, but to the best of my knowledge, the vinyl is glued directly to the rear bulkhead behind the tool boxes and seats. I have a piece of black - used. Do you want it?

[abas]

Originally posted by DJACEY(UK)

PS. I started to insulate my Z with self-adhesive (500mm sq) rubber - looks great ! Soon be cutting the jute - any luck with the thicknesses ?

Dave

I'd like to see the rubber flooring, I presume you are not bringing your 70 car to Japfest?

I don't have a fiche to hand so I'm not sure which jute you mean. I think from what 26-thz has said it is the same as mine ( ie no jute). You have me intrigued however as to this extra piece of jute:classic:

I have been going through my storage to get the rear deck jute and hopefully I will find it and get you the spec tonight.

Andrew

[DJACEY(UK)]

I'll email you the picture of jute assy.

[abas]

Thanks Dave

I has looked at the rear deck jute and it appears to be the same material as the rest of the jute. Did you want me to measure the thickness?

Are you still going to Japfest this Saturday?

regards

Andrew

[DJACEY(UK)]

Andrew, yes I will be at Japfest but minus both my 240Z (who know when this will be ready ?) & 260Z (ready for collection in a couple of weeks). I should finish installing the rubber soundproofing soon so I'll take a picture when I've finished.

I've finally been successful in posting the attachment ! Item 15 is described as 'Jute - Front Floor Rear'. What do yuo think ?

Dave

[abas]

Dave

I must say you have me stumped there. It looks as you describe, a piece of jute attached to the vertical face behind the tool boxes, under the diamond vinyl, which my car did did not have ( at least, when I bought it, it didn't).

I'm sure some of the other series 1 owners might be able to help, and hopefully they will chime in.

regards

Andrew

[chuck r]

In the years since this post was new has anyone found a source for the style jute that Kats used? I've spend a considerable amount of time looking for a source and haven't gotten anywhere. Did find a company in Vancouver, BC that lists it on their website but haven't been able to get a return call and emails get returned as undeliverable.

Any info would be a huge help!!!

[redzedsled]

Jute for the 240Z was a black licked latex coated one side material often found in British sportscars. The black latex lick goes on top and the natural jute goes toward the body of the car. I managed to purchase some jute from a company in Ontario, Canada who imports this material direct from the United Kingdom, thus it is often referred to as English Jute. There is also a company as you mentioned in Vancouver, BC Canada that is primarily an upholstery service rather than a supplier. They have shown much resistance in selling to the general public, as it seems they deal with the trade people only. I must say that this jute material is exactly like the original 240Z material and is much darker, (with all due respect to Katz), than that of the material I have seen in this post. If originality is paramount for you, then this English jute is for you. There is a reason the more expensive European sportscars use it, as water just seems to bead over the black latex coat. It also possesses excellent sound deadening qualities to it as well.

[Mike B]

Redzedsled,

Can you post some pictures of the 'English jute' that you have? I believe the company in Vancouver sells the light tan colored jute (similar to what Kats used), but as you said, they don't like to deal directly with the public. Other places online sell a similar tan jute and I was wondering if some type of coating could be applied to more closely match the original, but it sounds like the type you have found is a better match as is. I'm curious to see what it looks like.

-Mike

[26th-Z]

Yea, me too.

[redzedsled]

See pics...

Here is the source... judge for yourself! Rob

http://www.carcarpets.co.uk/underfelt-11-c.asp

Another source for you...

http://www.macgregorukcarparts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=min-c-8&Category_Code=MINI-cockpit

Edited October 13, 2012 by redzedsled

[Mike B]

Thanks the the photos and info; it looks great. All the original 240Z jute I have seen has been the same uniform dark brown color, so maybe what Nissan used originally was completely dipped and not just coated on one side? Regardless, you only see one side once it is in place, and only under the seats, or if you lift the carpet up, so what you have found would work fine. What is the thickness of the English jute?

I just did an internet search, but only saw that type of jute listed by the place in Vancouver (Heritage trim) and by Zeddsaver. However, someone I know ordered jute from Zeddsaver and what he received was actually a couple of different types of material, none of which was the coated English jute that he describes on his site (same as your description) and none was cut to original patterns.

-Mike

Edited October 13, 2012 by Mike B