Hoarding Z Parts

[dutchzcarguy]

My feb 1971 had a plastic one, i kicked it out as it had a crack! I turned it into a euro version tank inlet/airvent. 🙂 

[foosman]

13 hours ago, CanTechZ said:

I just noticed that there are currently two of these on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/304703085551?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=706-89093-2056-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=304703085551&targetid=1657494600950&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9001461&poi=&campaignid=17288881879&mkgroupid=135489415103&rlsatarget=pla-1657494600950&abcId=9300870&merchantid=589834493&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp9eE7My7_AIVMRStBh1pYQ6tEAQYASABEgJmI_D_BwE

 

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/295176060437?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=706-89093-2056-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=295176060437&targetid=1656417413710&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9001461&poi=&campaignid=17297476241&mkgroupid=135489415143&rlsatarget=pla-1656417413710&abcId=9300870&merchantid=592332613&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp9eE7My7_AIVMRStBh1pYQ6tEAQYAiABEgKHfvD_BwE

 

Thanks @CanTechZ

[inline6]

On 1/9/2023 at 10:12 AM, foosman said:

Thanks - I’d like to see that.  The fiche shows the original 17350-E4600, which I assume is the plastic tank, and that is replaced by 17350-E4601, which is what I have. 

Ok, getting back to you on my metal tank in my 6/71 240z:

Overall view of "as installed" orientation, front bottom, back bottom:

    

rear mounting tab detail, top front, date stamped on the tank... I don't know how to read that, maybe @KatZ can tell us?

    

 

The mounting location in my 6/1971 car:
    

Edited January 11 by inline6

[inline6]

On 1/9/2023 at 9:35 AM, CanTechZ said:

The Nissan parts book shows the metal one starting at 07/71 and the plastic one ending 06/71. @foosmanwhat is your production date? I do have a spare plastic one from a 12/70 parts car. I have no idea what they are worth but I don't need it as my 7/70 is a Canadian non-emissions car.  Edit, I just noticed you have a 5/71, let me know if you are interested.

Ha! It would appear that my car, being manufactured in late June of 1971, received a metal tank "pre-maturely"!

[inline6]

Foosman, for what it is worth, fabricating brackets to fit a later metal tank looks easier than fabricating a tank.  Though, if a plastic one in good condition can be found for a reasonable price, then that might be the best route to take.  

I mis-remembered my month of manufacture earlier as 5/71, but it is a 6/71 car.

[HS30-H]

6 hours ago, inline6 said:

date stamped on the tank... I don't know how to read that, maybe @KatZ can tell us?

The '46 6 23' date stamp translates to 23rd June 1971.

'46' = 46th year of Showa = 1971 (First year of Emperor Showa's reign was 1925).

'6' = Month of June.

'23' = 23rd day of the month.

[foosman]

10 hours ago, inline6 said:

Foosman, for what it is worth, fabricating brackets to fit a later metal tank looks easier than fabricating a tank.  Though, if a plastic one in good condition can be found for a reasonable price, then that might be the best route to take.  

I mis-remembered my month of manufacture earlier as 5/71, but it is a 6/71 car.

Yes - thanks @inline6for the pics, seems like adapting from my mounts to the later tank should be pretty easy.  I already have the later tank that a PO hacked in there (although they never secured it - it was just sitting loose behind the interior panel), and reverting to a plastic tank seems like a problem waiting to happen.  Might require going to a "later" interior panel, in case the bulge is different.  I'll have to check my 7/71 which should have the later metal tank (and panel) from the factory, although it has the series 1 diff setup (which also should have ended in 6/71) so who knows.

[dutchzcarguy]

On 1/10/2023 at 10:04 AM, dutchzcarguy said:

My feb 1971 had a plastic one, i kicked it out as it had a crack! I turned it into a euro version tank inlet/airvent. 🙂 

Maybe i was not clear about my solution.. don't know.. but a euro version has NO evap-TANK at all!!  Simply connect the end of tank exit to the filler opening's neck and close all the others i guess.. i did.. don't know..long time ago.. (i do have a usa calif. car 240z)

[kats]

Hi, just a reminder of the difference between the two of interior trim panel. The Blue one is an early type which has a small box for the plastic tank. The black one is a later type which has a larger box for the metal tank. If you put a metal tank into an early car, the trim panel would not fit properly.
 

Kats

Edited January 11 by kats

[kats]

2 hours ago, dutchzcarguy said:

Maybe i was not clear about my solution.. don't know.. but a euro version has NO evap-TANK at all!!  Simply connect the end of tank exit to the filler opening's neck and close all the others i guess.. i did.. don't know..long time ago.. (i do have a usa calif. car 240z)

Hi dutchzcarguy , my Fairlady 240ZG has the same configuration. The three way connector pipe for the vent tube is also made of plastic and it tends to be brittle as it gets old especially the nipple for the small diameter tube.

The J shape bold vent hose from the tank is connected to this three way connector. And a small diameter tube is climbing upward to the clip on the upper edge of the quarter panel then going down to the rubber grommet to drain outside. 

The hose I showed here is for the US version and it has longer end than the one for the three way connector. 
So, the US version hose 17235-E4600 can be used for the Fairlady Z series also the cars without vapor tank. You just cut a little bit to fit the three way connector.

The orange is 12/1971 US Datsun 240Z,  the maroon is 06/1972 Fairlady 240ZG.

Kats

Edited January 11 by kats

[kats]

1 hour ago, kats said:

Hi, just a reminder of the difference between the two of interior trim panel. The Blue one is an early type which has a small box for the plastic tank. The black one is a later type which has a larger box for the metal tank. If you put a metal tank into an early car, the trim panel would not fit properly.
 

Kats

These right hand rear quarter trim panel are used for all the S30 series no matter how the car equipped with the tank or not. March 1973, when Japanese automobile emissions regulations began to be serious, Fairlady Z series got the vapor tank associated with a gas tank(E4600) and HMB carburetors (for L24) but no air pump.

Kats

Edited January 11 by kats

[Hank240]

A question for you ladies and gents - after my restorations, I kept the "windlace"  - not sure if thats the correct wording- the molding that went around the original door seals. I believe the new replacement seals include this part. Are these moldings still useful, worth anything or should I get rid of them? If you need better/more pics, let me know. There are 8 pieces - 4 per side.

thanks

 

[zed2]

Are you referring to the flocked channel seal (Bailey strip)?

Keith

[CanTechZ]

1 hour ago, Hank240 said:

A question for you ladies and gents - after my restorations, I kept the "windlace"  - not sure if thats the correct wording- the molding that went around the original door seals. I believe the new replacement seals include this part. Are these moldings still useful, worth anything or should I get rid of them? If you need better/more pics, let me know. There are 8 pieces - 4 per side.

thanks

 

You are correct that in some of the replacement weather stripping this is included with the door weather strip as a one piece design. What you have would be useful if someone wanted to stay with original two part design. This material is generally referred to as welting. Here is a discussion with some more info.

 

Edited January 11 by CanTechZ

[Terrapin Z]

9 hours ago, kats said:

Hi, just a reminder of the difference between the two of interior trim panel. 

I have always looked at the speaker holes. There is a noticeable flat spot between the bump and holes on the early and no gap on the later. 

[w3wilkes]

I could swear I read that someone on these boards was looking for the welting?

[Hank240]

Thanks @CanTechZ.

[CanTechZ]

13 hours ago, w3wilkes said:

I could swear I read that someone on these boards was looking for the welting?

It might be @Patcon, but I believe he is looking for the roof head liner welting. I just checked and the head liner welting is about 3mm (1/8") shorter than the door seal welting. Door seal welting is 14mm channel height and the head liner welting is 11mm channel height.

Edited January 12 by CanTechZ

[CanTechZ]

23 minutes ago, Hank240 said:

Thanks @CanTechZ.

You're welcome

[Patcon]

Thanks @CanTechZ.

Actually I need to find both...

[inline6]

On 1/11/2023 at 3:52 AM, HS30-H said:

The '46 6 23' date stamp translates to 23rd June 1971.

'46' = 46th year of Showa = 1971 (First year of Emperor Showa's reign was 1925).

'6' = Month of June.

'23' = 23rd day of the month.

Thanks for the information, Alan. 

By the month of manufacture stamped on the door tag, and the VIN number compared with others on the Zhome registry, I figured my car was completed in the back half of the month of June, 1971.  By the date stamp on my tank, I wonder if I can conclude that it was completed on that day.  Seems likely.   

Since that day in 1971, 51 years, 6 months and 8 days have passed.  Hopefully, in another 6 months, I'll have the restoration on this one completed.

Wish I could find a jack and wheel chocks with the correct date stamps.  And for that matter, an original spare tire with a date stamp that is before, but around that, the 26th week of 1971:

 

Edited January 16 by inline6

[inline6]

A couple of discontinued, NOS parts in my hoard for the car I am restoring:

    

 

Edited January 16 by inline6

[HS30-H]

1 hour ago, inline6 said:

By the month of manufacture stamped on the door tag, and the VIN number compared with others on the Zhome registry, I figured my car was completed in the back half of the month of June, 1971.  By the date stamp on my tank, I wonder if I can conclude that it was completed on that day.  Seems likely.   

Well, it's a nice thought ('23' being significant to Nissan...) but the tank will have been made in a different Nissan-related facility and then trucked - most likely as part of a batch of similar parts - to the Nissan Shatai factory in Hiratsuka. I very much doubt that would have been possible on the same day that the car was 'finished'.

I'd say a few days, maybe a week or so, more likely? Most of the component parts on these cars usually seem to show production date/QC check stamps within a few weeks to a couple of months before the completion of the car. 

[CanTechZ]

Here is my "hoard" of part number 74932 E4100 scuff plates, that cover the rocker panel vinyl and hold down the weather stripping. There is an interesting evolution of this part. The early version had 5 holes. and later versions have 3 holes. My 7/70 car originally had the 5 holes ones but when I bought my first replacement in 1979 it was the three hole type, as were the two I purchased in 1984. Also it seems that sometime after 1984 Nissan changed to a texture painted finish instead of the original texture vinyl wrapping. I have one of the new painted ones that I purchased in 2015. Below I have included closeup pictures of both to show the difference in finish and texture.

Top side:

 

Bottom side:

 

Close up of finish/texture of the early vinyl wrapped design:

 

Close up of finish/texture of the later texture painted design:

Edited January 16 by CanTechZ

[bluez]

10 hours ago, inline6 said:

A couple of discontinued, NOS parts in my hoard for the car I am restoring:

    

 

Wow, very nice.. I’ve been looking for them.