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I spoke to Rob on the phone and he was pretty reassuring, but I'm wondering if anyone here has personally tried them. I have a fender roller from Eastwood but my car is pretty low and I'm not sure... I would probably just drive over and get them as I have a bit of free time these days and it would be great to see my old gang at Stanford... 

 

"ZcarGarage is a factory direct dealer for the Japanese Panasport 16X7+11 offset FS wheels that are our favorite go to wheel solution for the S30 model that allows fitment of 225-50-R16 tires.  The wheels have silver centers with machined lip and include the center caps.  Limited sets available.  Timeless styling for your Z car.

Price: $1,220.00 plus shipping.  Please contact ZCG directly."

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Based on how much of the rear fender weld flange I had to cut away to fit 225/50R16 max performance summer tires, I'd say +11mm should make the tires fit with no rubbing.  That said, they won't look as good as zero offset.

 

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6 hours ago, SteveE said:

Jeff

Not questioning you at all, but please explain why zero offset will look better.

Thanks

Steve

Most people prefer the stance to be wide and the tires to be flush with the fenders.  Positive offset pulls the tires inboard which helps fender clearance for sure.  A +11mm offset means that the track width is nearly an inch narrower than the same wheels with a zero offset.  

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9 hours ago, conedodger said:

To continue on Jeff's thought, I've heard that the narrower track width in the front makes it easier to steer? What are your thoughts on that Jeff? 

The more scrub radius there is, the more effort it will take to steer the car.  You are correct in your statement that positive offset wheels will reduce the scrub and therefore, the steering efforts.  I've never really thought that the Z steers hard with its manual steering and zero offset 225 max performance summer tires.

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On 6/6/2021 at 11:28 PM, Jeff G 78 said:

Based on how much of the rear fender weld flange I had to cut away to fit 225/50R16 max performance summer tires, I'd say +11mm should make the tires fit with no rubbing.  That said, they won't look as good as zero offset.

 

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Do you think 16x8+0 with 225/50R16 would fit a 240 as long as it is at standard ride height and without trimming?

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4 hours ago, 87mj said:

Do you think 16x8+0 with 225/50R16 would fit a 240 as long as it is at standard ride height and without trimming?

Probably not, but there are too many variables. Body variation and tire choice will make a huge difference. The same size tire in two different brands and/or models could be shaped very differently. Some are wider than nominal and others are narrower than nominal. Some have very square shoulders and others are more trapezoidal. 

Also, I say this every time it comes up. Ride height doesn't matter!  The suspension goes through the same motion no matter where it starts. A lowered car just starts at a different spot in the travel. A stock height car will likely be on softer springs while a lowered car will likely be on stiffer springs, but both will take the same path. The only way to really check clearance is to remove the springs and run the suspension through full motion using a floor jack under the control arm. Unless the tires clear through full travel with the springs removed, they will rub and could either cut a sidewall or damage the fender. 

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Thanks Jeff.  I really wanted a set of Watanabes but the minimum width they have is 8".    Some seem to like the look of a wheel that is 1" + wider than the tire but its not for me and I dont want to alter fenders to get them to fit.  Panasport has a fisheye look.  I think I am the only person on the planet that doesnt like those but I don't think I will have much choice.  ( Sorry I didn't mean to hijack the thread 🙂 )  

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Hi Jeff and other members. I'm new to the forum and excited about fixing up a 73 240z and being involved with so many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members. Jeff, may I ask what the wheels/tires are on the z you posted above? They look great, as does the car! Are they Konig Graphite 16 X 7 with 0 offset? Is a 205 the widest tire you can run on a 16 X 7 with 0 offset and not have rubbing on stock shocks/suspension? Does a Panasport 16 x 7 +11 with 225/50s end up looking the same in the wheel well as a 205 with zero offset? does the Rota 16 X7 +10 offset allow the 225s without rubbing also? I like a little color on the spokes and not sure if the Panasport comes in different colors like the Konigs and Rotas. I do like the wheels/tires filling the wheel well as pictured but hoping to stay stock for now, avoid rubbing and rolling edge (though not opposed to it!)

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9 minutes ago, Steve-on the road said:

Hi Jeff and other members. I'm new to the forum and excited about fixing up a 73 240z and being involved with so many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members. Jeff, may I ask what the wheels/tires are on the z you posted above? They look great, as does the car! Are they Konig Graphite 16 X 7 with 0 offset? Is a 205 the widest tire you can run on a 16 X 7 with 0 offset and not have rubbing on stock shocks/suspension? Does a Panasport 16 x 7 +11 with 225/50s end up looking the same in the wheel well as a 205 with zero offset? does the Rota 16 X7 +10 offset allow the 225s without rubbing also? I like a little color on the spokes and not sure if the Panasport comes in different colors like the Konigs and Rotas. I do like the wheels/tires filling the wheel well as pictured but hoping to stay stock for now, avoid rubbing and rolling edge (though not opposed to it!)

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Steve, There is a thread from about 15 years ago where I documented what it took to make my wheel/tire package fit.   I can't find it, but here is another thread where I posted pics of the trimmed lips.  I believe I removed between 8 and 10mm from the weld flanges between 11 and 1 o'clock on the fender.

My wheels are Panasport 16x7 zero offset with 225/50R16 Hankook RS-2 tires.  My car is lowered 1" via KYB springs.  The front tires rub the front valence when backing up and turning, but not while going forward.  An aftermarket airdam will usually give you more turning clearance.  The rears took quite a bit of rolling and trimming to clear.  I attempted to run them without trimming and the tires were getting cut badly with any moderate suspension travel.  I tried rolling first, but it wasn't enough, so I then did it right and trimmed.  

As I've said over and over and I'll say it again here -  ride height has no effect on tire clearance.  Lowering a car only changes the starting point of travel.  The tire will still move through the same arc regardless of the starting point.  If you go with extremely stiff race springs, you might get away with less clearance, but any street springs will still allow full suspension travel over bumps and undulations in the road.  That's why the only correct way to check clearance is to remove the springs and run the suspension through full travel using a floor jack under the control arm.  Go at least far enough to compress the jounce bumper by 1/3 of its height.

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6 minutes ago, Yarb said:

@Jeff G 78is this offset true for say bc racing coilovers? I’ve got considerable more room between tire and strut now that the factory coils are gone.

You will be able to go with a higher positive offset wheel with coilovers.  For a 16x7 wheel and a 225/50R16 tire, the ideal offset is around +10mm to clear the stock strut and fender lip with little to no trimming.  With coilovers, you can likely go closer to +20mm on a 16x7 wheel and 225/50R16 tire though I have not measured the exact differences myself.  Of course that combo would look goofy as the tires would be sucked in narrower.  With a higher positive offset wheel, you can now go with a wider tire and still fit within the fender.  I know a 245 width tire will fit with coilovers and the right offset.  I'm guessing that a 245/40R16 tire on a 16x8 wheel would probably require around a +10mm to +15mm offset to clear the strut and fender with similar trimming to what I did.  The front gets a bit trickier as a wider tire is more likely to contact things while turned.  There used to be a great website for comparing different wheel offsets and tire sizes at www.rimsntires.com, but it is down.  I'm not sure if it's gone for good, but it says down for redesign.  Hopefully it comes back as it was my favorite site for playing with these things.  Hope this helped.

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23 minutes ago, Steve-on the road said:

Thank you Jeff! I wonder if a 215 might just fit with the 16 X 7 zero offset without rubbing on the standard stock 240z setup.

215 is an odd size. Most run 205/55R16 for a good fit. 225/45R16 is another option as they are shorter so it buys some clearance and gives you some gear ratio advantage. 

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I’m currently running 205 60R15 tires on ZX turbo wheels. No clearance issues before I removed the factory shocks. Once the park bench bumpers were removed the car rose 2-3 inches all the way around. Lowered it back down and have plenty of clearance.

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Thank you, gentlemen! I think I'd be happy with all the choices mentioned and might be leaning to 225/50R16 on the 16 X 7 wheel with +11 offset from Panasport or possibly the 16 X 7 +10 from Rota. I think I'd like to have the spokes with a bit of color and polished edges, like Jeff's earlier pic. Do coilovers end up adding a lot of expense if I go to a 16 X 8? It seems I saw something about $2k to go that route? The 225s with +10 or +11 will fill the wheel well towards the lip/fender more than a 205 with zero offset, right? Z car garage is near me and wonder if the 16 X 7 +11 comes in the color you have Jeff with the graphite colored spoke and polished lip.

 

 

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