zKars

Would like to start a "One of these things is not like the other" forum group. Input?

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    As an example, here are the three styles of seat slider. I happen to have been embroiled in this discussion recently.

    S30 1970-1978. North american

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    Left, 240Z, 1970-1973  Up to 7/73

    Center 260Z and 75-76 280Z.  (Date range....)  8/73 - 7/76. (?)

    Right 280z 1977-78.   8/76- 78

    Rear of the slicers is at the top of the picture. Sorry about that.

    240z. Studs in sliders go through holes in seat base. Nut/lock/flat attach (awkwardly !) from underside of metal frame.

    260/280 . Round headed hex M8x1.25 chrome bolts attach through slider into captured nuts in seat base frame.

    Notes that come to mind:

    Since the way the sliders attach to seat bases is different as well, I should include pictures of the seat bases, but only from the perspective of the way the sliders mount, Not the webbing, or upholstry differences. That’s another thread.

    I will copy of all this into a new thread In the new forum if and when it goes live.

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    1 hour ago, zKars said:

    Dearly Beloved. 

    I find myself explaining over and over again to various Z owners (all Datsun owners really) about the differences in various items and what year range they belong to. I am tired of doing so, and tires of hunting down pictures and URL's of stuff for them, and would just like to point them to a single URL where they can look up the answer to their question. What better place than our beloved CZCC forum....

    I suggest the new forum be in Car Talk > Z > One of these things is not like the other

    @mike , please chime in and let me know if you believe there is a better place or organization structure for this

    I'm in support of this, great idea!  Any chance we can shorten the title of the forum?  I've noticed that long titles are truncated.

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    What would be neat would be a completely different type of format.  Like a timeline that could be added to and modified and expanded in between years and models.  The history format.  The problem that zKars is describing is really the work involved in going back to find the description or illustration, from some file or post from long ago.  Hunting down urls and pictures and posts (without numbers).

    Any way to set up like a cascading list of threads that we could add to?  Non-serial, able to pick a spot halfway through a model year, for example, and add some new knowledge.  And visual, all on one page, not like the nested sub-forums that you have to open and search and close and reopen.  It's a lot of work just trying to dig in to the sub-forums to find a topic.  Get them all out on one page where you can see them all at one time.

    Just a thought.  Otherwise, the new sub-forum will go dormant as they do and get buried with the other sub-forums.  It needs its own box at least.

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    Well, the parts manual pretty much covers this topic...

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    48 minutes ago, SteveJ said:

    Well, the parts manual pretty much covers this topic...

    I agree. If you master searching throught the carpartsmanual website or something like the e-fast database you will determine the timeline by the changing part numbers.

    The bennifit of this thread, which is not there yet, would be to provide a photo with the relivantpart number.

    For example

    Type 1 up to 73 p/n: 86550-N3400 no lever

    Type 1 up to 73 p/n: 87500-N3400 with lever etc

     

     

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    59 minutes ago, SteveJ said:

    Well, the parts manual pretty much covers this topic...

    The Fiche definitely would be a go-to source of From/To date information for most parts history, but it does not give you anything resembling a decent picture of many uniqueness's between parts, or fine details. Only modern color pictures of real parts from several angles sometimes can show the level of detail. 

    Here is one picture where I try to show the difference between the 74-76 door panels and the 77-78 along the back edge to show the subtle angle difference. (77-78 in front).

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    No way the fiche is ever going to give you that.

     

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    2 hours ago, Mike said:

    I'm in support of this, great idea!  Any chance we can shorten the title of the forum?  I've noticed that long titles are truncated.

    I know, any title will do, this one just resonates with me. It should be something more descriptive for sure.

    "Illustrated S30 Parts History".

    "Parts History Illustrated"  

    "Parts Progression History, Illustrated"

    Anyone else?

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    Is this the way the factory meant it to be?

    Is this part stock?

    What is this?

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    All those other ding a lings say USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION instead of bp6es. LOL

    Not here and that's what makes CZCC the best. 

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    2 hours ago, zKars said:

    I know, any title will do, this one just resonates with me. It should be something more descriptive for sure.

    "Illustrated S30 Parts History".

    "Parts History Illustrated"  

    "Parts Progression History, Illustrated"

    Anyone else?

    Let's call the title: "The Search Function"

    That way if someone asks about parts you can reply, "Go to The Search Function," or "Find The Search Function"

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    Without some sort of indexing people will have to search anyway.  Unless the first post is about the 1970 cars and everyone has to wait until 1970 is full to add any more, year by year..

    I mentioned post numbers earlier because with post numbers a person could keep a list and go directly to a post.  Just say "go to post XX" it's there.  But the way the forum works now you can't reference a post unless you are actually on that page looking at the post, and you use the little dipod symbol..

    The great irony of computers and the Search function is that it lets everything get sloppy.  I don't really have memories anymore I just think of search words.  If I ever lose access to the internet my "effective IQ" will be halved, at least.

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    Maybe there's a way to tag a post, then use a sort function to sort the posts within a sub-forum.  That would work.  Each post would have a tag, maybe just month and year, to be used to sort the changes.  Of course, a person could search for that month and year and get the same list.

    Anyway, just trying to figure out how a separate sub-forum would be different from just s giant thread.

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    Sorry.  Piling on.  I think that the key to a sub-forum like that would be good instructions to follow for each post.  Each title has to have a month and year in it, to show where it fits.  Then, the Title or Custom sort function can be used.  I've never used it but might.  I assume that the default sort is by date.

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    15 hours ago, zKars said:

    Others let us know if this is something you'd like to see or contribute to.

    My thought is.. all the topics are letters and difficult to find back..

    If started a special forum that starts with numbers?  Lets say first YY/MM/DD and partnumber..  or without the DD  Part could be found for a specific month in a year.. 

    Just a thought..🤠

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    I also wanted to let you know that we do have a database system.  You can see this in action with our "Knowledge Base" under the Resources tab.  I do like this system, however, it will take effort to keep it updated.  The knowledge base is a good start, but it's a bit outdated ATM.  Each database has the capability to use categories just like you guys were mentioning above.

    https://www.classiczcars.com/articles/

    I can gladly start a forum, or a database, for this project.

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    FYI, there's also a wiki-style system.  The purpose of the wiki allows everyone to contribute or modify others' entries.  Here's a sample:

    https://www.classiczcars.com/wiki/

    I like the wiki-style because the system maintains a history of edits.  If a new entry isn't quite accurate, we can revert back to the old one.  Take a quick look and you can test it out yourselves.

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    If I remember right wiki editors have to be approved by the wiki owner.  I think that you're the only allowed wiki editor at this time Mike @Mike

    I clicked on the "test wiki entry" link and got a page that looked like your profile page with all of your content. 
    Edit - I clicked on the test entry and it opened.  But still no way to add anything. 

    I tried to add a comment but nothing happened.  I don't see any way to add to the wiki.

    I barely know where Wikipedia information comes from.  I think the people would have to learn about wiki.  Which is like learning Facebook.  Which is like learning Twitter.  Like Instagram.  Tik-tok.  It's an electronic rabbit hole.

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    1 hour ago, Mike said:

    FYI, there's also a wiki-style system.  The purpose of the wiki allows everyone to contribute or modify others' entries.  Here's a sample:

    https://www.classiczcars.com/wiki/

    I like the wiki-style because the system maintains a history of edits.  If a new entry isn't quite accurate, we can revert back to the old one.  Take a quick look and you can test it out yourselves.

    m

    I added some text to the topic Mike started . Worked just fine

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    Ah, let me check permissions...  Zed Head is in the regular members group and I need to make sure that group has edit rights..

    Edit:  Ok, database permissions updated.  @Zed Head please give it another try.  

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    That also brings up another question, should we let free members edit the content?  It may be ok, but, it may also open ourselves up to a lot of grief...  

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    Not saying that trusted free members will cause issues, it's more about others who can edit content without going through some kind of vetting.

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