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Just speaking to #1, I could comment on more but won’t. 
 
lots of healthcare professionals, me included will not take the time to correct the ignorant. It’s a waste of our time and usually, no minds are changed. Brookfield defines learning as “a permanent change in behavior. That isn’t going to happen with someone who believes ivermectin is going to save them. 
 
 

People have to live or die with the consequences of their actions and decisions...this is called “Life”, something I talk to my children about frequently. We make decisions everyday that impact the longevity and quality of our lives. A lot of people are too ignorant, too stubborn, too woke, and too self righteous to listen to others. I wouldn’t try to convince people either unless they showed a real lack of understanding and wanted to be educated. This isn’t who you’re referring too. You’re referring the opposite and that population is very large. I don’t have time for people like this, so not surprised you don’t either. I also don’t feel sorry for drug addicts, it is a decision that was based on ignorance with well understood consequences. I can’t help the people that don’t want to be helped or are self destructive.


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1 hour ago, conedodger said:

Just speaking to #1, I could comment on more but won’t. 
 

lots of healthcare professionals, me included will not take the time to correct the ignorant. It’s a waste of our time and usually, no minds are changed. Brookfield defines learning as “a permanent change in behavior. That isn’t going to happen with someone who believes ivermectin is going to save them. 
 

 

I remember the early 80s well when my Social studies teacher said be careful at the water fountain because you may get AIDS from it.

One thing is for sure, covid protocols have zero consistency. Example; you couldn't got to church, but you could ride an airliner for hours sitting shoulder to shoulder.

Correcting ignorance is not a fair statement when there's been nothing but contradictory info and contradictory protocols for over a year and a half.

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One of my somewhat early experiences realizing that authority figures did not necessarily know everything was when my freshman physics teacher told us that dead bodies floated because the human body was less dense than water.  He was trying to teach the concept of density.  I said "then why do I sink to the bottom of the swimming pool and stay there if I exhale all of my breath".  He argued that it was not possible, got upset, and moved on with the lesson.  

Best to get as much information and as many opinions as you can and figure out which make the most sense.

https://covidactnow.org/us/florida-fl/?s=22441170

https://covidactnow.org/data-api#faq

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Confirmed yesterday that vaccinated people can pass COVID to each other.  I didn't get this from any website, I saw it happen.  I'm still seeing a lot of people who are vaccinated thinking they don't have to take precaution.  Take care of yourselves, we aren't out of the woods yet.

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It's well documented Mike.  Even that vaccinated people can carry the same viral load in their nasal cavities as unvaccinated people if they do get the virus.  The point of being vaccinated, especially with the Delta variant, is to stay out of the hospital and get well sooner, and to improve the odds of not catching the virus in the first place.

It's all about probability, the odds of bad things happening.  Many people want things to be black and white, yes or no, but that's not how the world works.  Just like avoiding bad foods, or wearing a seatbelt.  Improve your chances.

Masking is what protects those around you the best.  It contains the virus to your own local environment if you have it.

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I think that COVID is going to be running around the States for a long time.  It's really turning into background noise in some places.

This is Tennessee, for a World Cup Qualifier soccer game right now.  The players might be fine, who knows about those fans.  Crowd of 43,000.  One of the players did get COVID though, had to miss today's game.

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It's in Davidson County.

https://covidactnow.org/us/tennessee-tn/county/davidson_county/?s=22611184

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21 hours ago, Zed Head said:

I think that COVID is going to be running around the States for a long time.  It's really turning into background noise in some places.

This is Tennessee, for a World Cup Qualifier soccer game right now.  The players might be fine, who knows about those fans.  Crowd of 43,000.  One of the players did get COVID though, had to miss today's game.

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It's in Davidson County.

https://covidactnow.org/us/tennessee-tn/county/davidson_county/?s=22611184

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This is called living life. Some see living life differently than others. There are so many variables to covid.

My 80 year old mother in law who is overweight, diabetic, and elderly stayed in her house for 2 months at the beginning of this, until she said screw it, "this is not living, I'm done" she said. When my wife and I had covid and didnt know it, We had spent time with her for a few days and she never had one symptom or issue (pre vaccine). My wife was really sick for 3 days and I felt like I was catching a cold off and on for 3 weeks. My point is, people as individuals have to make the call on what they believe is correct, arguing on levels from Federal to personal is wearing thin on many, and graphing from California, Australia, China is great, but is the end game to pit one group against another?

Australia gave up on their goal of locking down the nation until 70 or 80% vaccinations because they realized that it was going to do more harm than good.

I'm in Vancouver, WA today, and was out for a walk during the morning cool, and this woman walking towards me on the sidewalk quickly donned her mask and looked at me like I had snakes coming out of my ears, no I didnt have a mask on.

What kind of world are we creating, and what are the positives of it?

 

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Edited.  Again.  DC might not be trying to troll but it sure does feel like I had a hook in my mouth.

Another edit - Realized that the basic question somebody reading DC's post should ask themselves is - is DC's recent "life" the type of life that they want for themselves or people they care about?  I don't see anything desirable in the story.  It's really like a story of being in a bad accident.  "I made a life choice and am suffering the consequences".  Actually, maybe that is the point of the story and I missed it.  It's actually a story demonstrating the value of vaccination and mask-wearing, and caring for other people in society.  I might be underestimating DC's very sophisticated influencing skills.

Don't want to get COVID, don't want people I care about to get COVID, don't want to frighten strangers on the street.  There's nothing in the story to strive for.  "Not wearing a mask" seems to be the only thing that matters.  At what cost?  Seems pretty high.

 

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Guys I’m thinking we should close this thread. It’s not really related to Zcar’s and seems to be causing some issues. Unless we can learn to accept everyone’s opinion it’s just not worth it to keep going. 

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1 hour ago, Zed Head said:

Edited.  Again.  DC might not be trying to troll but it sure does feel like I had a hook in my mouth.

Another edit - Realized that the basic question somebody reading DC's post should ask themselves is - is DC's recent "life" the type of life that they want for themselves or people they care about?  I don't see anything desirable in the story.  It's really like a story of being in a bad accident.  "I made a life choice and am suffering the consequences".  Actually, maybe that is the point of the story and I missed it.  It's actually a story demonstrating the value of vaccination and mask-wearing, and caring for other people in society.  I might be underestimating DC's very sophisticated influencing skills.

Don't want to get COVID, don't want people I care about to get COVID, don't want to frighten strangers on the street.  There's nothing in the story to strive for.  "Not wearing a mask" seems to be the only thing that matters.  At what cost?  Seems pretty high.

 

No, me saying I wasnt wearing a mask was not intended as being mean spirited, I was just setting the situation as why this woman behaved that way, you know, ridiculously.

I also am not trolling, If I wanted to say something I would, but even then this is not the correct format for that kind of exchange. I was not goading you for a response in a negative way.

Were talking about a virus, you seem to be talking about something else that has orbited covid since about the beginning. Viruses are bad, you to act as if a person, government, individual has any control over it is kind of silly. You are 100% correct, what I had said above does illustrate vaccinations and precautions, but my story about my family was before there was a vaccine.

Not that it matters, but no where did I say vaccine bad or good.

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2 hours ago, DC871F said:

My point is, people as individuals have to make the call on what they believe is correct

You need information in order to form that belief. Get your info from a source at the top of the curve, not down in the fake news weeds on the sides.

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Here's the top tier:
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1 minute ago, Captain Obvious said:

You need information in order to form that belief. Get your info from a source at the top of the curve, not down in the fake news weeds on the sides.

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Here's the top tier:
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I guess I'll end my subscription to the Enquirer then, here I thought all along that Elvis was a Martian from Jupiter, darn.

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Life is about issues Mike.  A life that only revolved around Z cars would not be very substantial.  We're all adults here.  We can handle it.

DC, what struck me about your post was that you didn't show any compassion for the woman who put her mask on when she saw you coming.  Despite the fact that you had seen your own wife suffering with COVID so you knew what she was trying to avoid.    It just seemed cruel.  But we can't all be nice guys, I guess.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how society fares when institutions shut down because of actual sickness instead of prevention.  I wish that the various authority figures could learn how to frame the subject in ways that everyone can understand.  

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27 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

Life is about issues Mike.  A life that only revolved around Z cars would not be very substantial.  We're all adults here.  We can handle it.

DC, what struck me about your post was that you didn't show any compassion for the woman who put her mask on when she saw you coming.  Despite the fact that you had seen your own wife suffering with COVID so you knew what she was trying to avoid.    It just seemed cruel.  But we can't all be nice guys, I guess.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how society fares when institutions shut down because of actual sickness instead of prevention.  I wish that the various authority figures could learn how to frame the subject in ways that everyone can understand.  

I was just giving a recount of my experience, not saying I gave her a ration of crap about it. Cruel seems a bit over the top.

Since I'm on airliners every other week, it also threw me for a loop when a woman boarding an airplane said I was too close to her. I mentioned that we will be sitting within inches of each other for the next 3 hours, and she replied "yeah I know, but you're still to close". There's no reasoning with this type of attitude. Seeing societal evolution take many steps back is unsettling. Again, I was just giving recount, no slight against her, just odd.

 

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My wife likes to argue about politics. I think it’s a waste of time. Given my background, I could argue with people about COVID and drown them in proven facts. But I don’t. The reason is I doubt one single mind would be changed. 

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4 hours ago, Zed Head said:

Life is about issues Mike.  A life that only revolved around Z cars would not be very substantial.

Please remember this is a Z car website.  I do like the original intent of this post was to discuss the virus when it first came out.  Now everyone seems to be an expert and don't want to listen to anyone else.

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We're all adults here.  We can handle it.

Good, then I trust everyone in this channel will respect each other.  

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5 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

You need information in order to form that belief. Get your info from a source at the top of the curve, not down in the fake news weeds on the sides.

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I wonder if there's an updated version of this chart.  This is from January and I know some of these agencies seem to have moved around a bit.

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13 hours ago, conedodger said:

My wife likes to argue about politics. I think it’s a waste of time. Given my background, I could argue with people about COVID and drown them in proven facts. But I don’t. The reason is I doubt one single mind would be changed. 

After almost 2,000 entries on this topic, and while I haven't read them all, I don't recall seeing any stating anything like, "How could I have been so wrong.  Thanks (insert screen name here) for opening my eyes to the truth about COVID."  I doubt that many, if any, minds have been changed.  I have however seen temper flares, false sense of superiority, and a little bullying.

I'm in favor of ending this topic and maybe moving on to politics, religion, and global warming discussions if we really need diversions from the only reason everyone signed on to this forum - The Z.  

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The thread's purpose is not to change opinions.  It was started to discuss COVID and help keep people informed.  Most of my posts contain links that describe the state of the situation and/or give advice about how to deal with it.

Other people have felt the need to post their opinions.  Even so, there's nothing really wrong with that.  Your comment reminds me, no offense intended, that people generally feel that they MUST look at all posts.  They have to click because it's there.  The reality is that they don't have to click and they don't have to read.  Even better, each thread has a button at the top that allows a user to Ignore it.

Anyone who feels offended or nervous about what's in the thread should just click the button.  There's no need for protective censorship.

The button is right up there at the top.  You can Ignore specific members also.

p.s. If Z cars is all that are allowed then the Boobs thread will need to be ended also.

 

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