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1 minute ago, Mike said:

The blue meme I posted is from someone else, I found on the internet...  mostly a fun post to push a few buttons.  Sorry if it triggered you.

One thing that does have me concerned is the constant censorship going on.  And, I won't stand for it here.  Asking me if I am "Q" just because I posted something you disagree with is how it all starts.  This website will always remain neutral.  There's always two sides to a story and, if we can't support that idea, then I will ask that all your COVID discussions be moved outside our car club.

You just need to be clear in your writing.  Posting random inflammatory things with no citations in a thread is worse than censorship.  I don't have the ability to censor anything.  You do though.

If you have problems with Fauci just speak clearly.  And, don't overlook that Fauci did not create the vaccine.  He is just one of many people involved.

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How about a change in topic.  Where did it come from?

The bio-weapon premise has been around for decades.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_(film)

Ripley discovers Burke ordered the colonists to investigate the derelict spaceship containing the alien eggs, intending to profit by recovering them for biological weapon research.

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I'll sum up my position and let it go after that: If I had done as well as Fauci has, considering the administration's ineptness and mess he was faced with until January, knowing that the science and knowledge around this pandemic was changing every week, and also considering the internal and external politics of the health organizations he has to deal with, I'd be very damn proud of what I had done. I firmly consider him to be the best source of information in the US. 

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19 hours ago, Mike said:

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I know for a fact that Fauci pushed Remdesiver when its limited trails showed no benefits.  He made it part of the standard treatment in the early days Q2, 2020.  I knew he was with with big Pharma then... he is evil.

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18 hours ago, siteunseen said:

Can American banks cash reparation checks from China? I need a sheet of plywood.

"In addition, all nations should work together to present China for a bill of minimum USD 10 trillion to compensate for the damage they have caused and that is a very low number, the damage is far far greater. As a first step, all countries should collectively cancel any debt that they owe to China as a downpayment on reparations," he said at the convention.

 

I dunno, you think that’ll be enough for a sheet of plywood?

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Look at PPE they are wearing and at the same time saying it is not transmissible to humans? BS

 

Here is Ebola PPE and "non-transmissible Wuhan Dec 2019  PPE"

 

EBOLA                                                     WUHAN DEC 2019

Ebola armor: Protective gear for healthcare workers - Los Angeles Times    image.png

 

First video of outbreak on Youtube Jan 4 2020

 

 

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I long for the moment they tell me I don’t have to wear this ******* mask anymore.

I know, if you have been vaccinated you don’t need it outdoors, but I spend 8 to 10 hours a day inside The Big Shed, and company policy still requires masks and social distancing.

 

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4 minutes ago, Racer X said:

I long for the moment they tell me I don’t have to wear this ******* mask anymore.

I know, if you have been vaccinated you don’t need it outdoors, but I spend 8 to 10 hours a day inside The Big Shed, and company policy still requires masks and social distancing.

 

13 weeks for you. :victorious:

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21 hours ago, Zed Head said:

That's an odd path to aviation machinist.  Not really seeing the machinist training in there, but you got in.

Check this video out, just came across it.

 

As a journeyman utility mechanic I trained in light, medium and heavy duty vehicle maintenance and repair, steel and aluminum fabrication (there was a fabrication shop with a large shear, sheet metal brake, iron worker, hossfeld bender, gas, img and tig welding equipment), and the shop had a full machine shop with a Bridgeport mill, metal lathe with a 12” headstock, several industrial type drill presses, a 10 ton hydraulic press, cylinder head tooling, brake service equipment, exhaust service equipment.

So I was overqualified as an aerospace machinist.

That Cincinnati mill is awesome. Every machine shop needs at least one.

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6 hours ago, 240260280 said:

over 1 yer ago.... just say'n

 

The problem with that clip is this, and it's a terrible commentary on what happened to our government during the Trump administration: anything Trump or Pompeo said at any time could safely be assumed to be a lie. This is especially true of Trump, who was lying about 90% of the time. Pompeo was his stooge and parrot. It also is reasonable to assume the Homeland Security quote was written by Trump appointees whose job was to agree with him.  Therefore, I discount everything from all three of those sources.

It's a sad day when you have to assume that most of what your government says is lies, but that was the case throughout Trump's term.

I take Fauci's comments as his best understanding of the situation, which changed as time went along. I'm not saying that he was never wrong, but I followed his comments and they seemed to follow the chains of evidence and understanding that evolved throughout the last 18 months. 

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On 6/6/2021 at 12:22 PM, Mike said:

.... If anything, I am pushing my doubts about everything you read and see from the media (the true enemy to all of us).  Question everything, my friends... 

I share your common thought on the media, “The true enemy to all of us”.  I loathe the media and its’ agenda which I believe is to cause division, strife and fear in their effort to promote their business and  control the masses and the direction of the country.  Unfortunately, we allow it, and bite into the agenda hook line and sinker.

                Sadly, I only discovered this about 4 years ago when the whole controversy about the border wall came up.  As a resident of San Diego, I am quite familiar with the wall and all of its pro’s and cons.  While the local news station here would interview border patrol officials who would air their support and praise of the wall, CNN would interview residents in Texas who had the wall on their property and absolutely hated the wall.  Obviously there are both sides to this issue.  The issue I began to see is that only one side of this story was being told by CNN and most liberal media. Chances are you have never seen the significant number of border patrol officials and officers praising the wall, while you most definitely have been bombarded with how terrible the wall is.  I learned through all this that the goal of the media is not to tell you a full story, it is to tell their side so that you follow their agenda and share their same ideals.  And this can be said about most issues both liberal and conservative.  By bombarding you with one side of the story, you only fully understand one side of the story.  And by only knowing one side of the story, the opposite opinion seems foreign.  So foreign in fact that it is now termed a ‘Lie’. If someone were to say that “the wall is a good thing”, someone with an opposing might even go so far as to say that is a ‘Lie’, even though there are many that actually like the wall.  I use this as an example to show our current state of affairs and how the media operates.

 

                Another issue that would fall under this heading is the police brutality issue.  While tens of millions of interactions between police and individual occur each year, only an incredibly small number of these interactions result in police brutality and an individuals death.  However, the media will show this over and over again, ad nauseum, to make you feel that it is a horrible problem and police are bad.  The reality is that given the number of interactions, it is incredibly rare.  The presentation by the media comes across as all police are bad and we need to get rid of them or defund them.  You should hopefully realize at this point that this is the media agenda, and unfortunately most media indulge in it.  It promotes their business. Why just stick with the police?  What about bad doctors, bad contractors, bad salesmen, bad internet trolls, bad engineers (wait a minute, I’m and engineer)?  The reality is, that if you look hard enough, you will find a few bad apples in just about any profession, and a number of those I just listed could cost you your life if they do something wrong.  Beware the agenda.  The medias’ goal is to present an agenda and control your thinking.

                And yes, this is particularly appropriate on the Covid thread.  Media is presenting an agenda, and most of us are just lemmings, following along.  If we hear a different idea or opinion from our main news source, then it must be a ‘Lie’.  Honestly however, it is just a different opinion, right or wrong. 

 

    My whole point here really is that we just need to be civil.  I may not agree with you and you may not agree with me.  We should however, listen and respect each others comments.  And most of all…don’t let the media run your life.

(Haven't posted in a while...this should surely get me in trouble)

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"Media" could use more definition.  You can't mean all of it, right?  How do you keep up with what's going on?  Even the Weather Channel is "media".

https://marketbusinessnews.com/financial-glossary/media-definition-meaning/

 

Generally, people should just remember that most of what we consider media these days exists for the purpose of making money.  Not controlling the world, just controlling and manipulating people's impulses to spend money.  Just keep spinning people up, over and over.  Make 'em angry, ask for their money.

 

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People should keep in mind that the vaccines are not 100% effective.  They just reduce the chance of getting infected, and reduce the chance of suffering severe effects if you do get infected.

I am now seeing people in the supermarket acting like they are bulletproof and the risk is completely gone.  I still mask up in the supermarket.  Just calculating the odds, roughly, and why take a chance for a few minutes of mask-wearing inside.  When the case numbers are way down I'll leave the mask at home.

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4 hours ago, motorman7 said:

I share your common thought on the media, “The true enemy to all of us”.  I loathe the media and its’ agenda

That's why I posted that media bias chart earlier. There needs to be news. But get your news from the top tier news organizations. Not facebook or some guy posting memes on the internet.


media bias 7.0 top tier.jpg

 

 

 

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Guys, I'm removing myself from this thread.  Let me tell you why...

Since I am the administrator of the site, I feel that it's my responsibility to stay out of sharing my personal views on subjects like this.  Not because I think I am wrong, but, it's because I came to the conclusion that I really have no idea what is correct.  I stated before that I don't trust most information I read on the Internet... so, why would I be here sharing my views about a subject that I know nothing about.  It makes sense to know that all the opinions shared within here are not the responsibility or views of the club as a whole.  If I'm in here sharing my views, it can be construed as such for the club and I don't feel it's good for me to put the club into that position.

I do support questioning everything though...  make any health decisions based on supporting yourself and your loved ones.  Take care of each other.

Mike

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The media are just parrots with agendas. Investigative reporting is long gone.  Journalists are mostly poorly educated these days and filled with poisonous ideas.

 

They also have time machines that cherry pick the good from now and apply it to the past with no understanding.  News and journalism is $^!#.

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20 hours ago, Mike said:

I came to the conclusion that I really have no idea what is correct.  I stated before that I don't trust most information I read on the Internet... so, why would I be here sharing my views about a subject that I know nothing about.

But since none of us can be an expert on everything, we all need other people to be our experts for us.

And if we want to stay informed, we need news because we can't be everywhere at the same time looking with our own two eyes. The problem is in the choice of experts and the choice of news.*

Me? I'm conservative. I believe that the cream eventually rises to the top. And of course it takes a little longer, but by the time it gets there, it's been vetted and investigated because the stakes are higher for the top.

That's why I recommended the old school names who have a long standing reputation and have enough money to make them worth going after in court if they report false stuff. In other words... They have skin in the game. And because of that, the stuff they report has been vetted pretty thoroughly. If they screw up big, their reputation is at stake and their pockets are deep enough to make them worth going after.

If a bunch of the old school big name news organizations say that "so-and'so did such and such" then I give it some credence. Until then, not so much.

The smaller newer on-line organizations with no money? They pretty much say whatever they want and they're making money off the sensationalism. Sensationalism sells. It sells clicks, and it sells opinions. But it hasn't been vetted. And they can pass it all off as "opinion" anyway, so there's no accountability.

Cream rises to the top. There's a reason.

 

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*If your expert is some guy on the internet posting stuff on social media, then I think it's time for an expert upgrade.

If a quick google search of your expert turns up hits of them being banned from posting because of mis-information, then I think it's time for an expert upgrade.

If your medical expert has Ted Nugent as a spokesman at traveling shows, it's time for an upgrade.

If your choice for news is a "left-wing media outlet built around a Facebook Group and corresponding website. Established in 2012, it publishes false information, hyperpartisan content, and clickbait" it's time for a news upgrade.

If your news is closely affiliated with the Falun Gong religious movement and "contains a mix of straight news, religious belief, conspiracy-peddling, Sinophobia, science denialism, legitimate grievance, and political expediency", then it's upgrade time.

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7 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

 

If your medical expert has Ted Nugent as a spokesman at traveling shows, it's time for an upgrade.

 

I always enjoy Terrible Ted and the Ten Fingers of Doom, Wango Tango, Snakeskin Cowboys, Great White Buffalo, Journey To The Center Of The Mind.

 

But when I began to see him pimping haddcore Republicant politics, I nearly burned that part of my album collection.

Then I decided I don't have to like the Nugent of today, and I can still enjoy the Nugent of yesterday.

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Haha! I think that Stranglehold is one of the best pieces of music ever created. But that doesn't qualify him to be a spokesman for a medical (sounding) organization to "take the truth directly to the people". In fact, for me, it does the opposite. It makes me question everything:

America’s Frontline Doctors takes the truth directly to the people, with a cross-country road tour headlined by AFLDS.org founder Dr. Gold delivering “The Religion of Public Health”, a profound diagnosis of 2020’s viral propaganda, and also featuring special guests Ted Nugent and additional AFLDS physicians and attorneys at select venues.

If I want the truth, it doesn't come from organizations like that. It comes from here:
media bias 7.0 top tier a.jpg

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