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Mint '71 240Z - More Fun Coming to BaT

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    Oh man... the latest pictures of the carpet, aftermarket floor mat, and jute padding are gold.  More pics saved to hard drive. :cool:

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    Hi , I have to say first, I am so impressed with this green / tan car ! Nothing can stop the bidding price  so high . 

    I agree 50 year old aging , it has been deforming the seat sponge and vinyl.

    I categorized seat like this ,

    #1 10/69- late 1970 fat seat back ( just like the one on the right of the green BAT car )

    #2 late 1970- mid 1971 slightly slim seat back ( just like the one on the left of the green BAT car )

    ( #2a has a seat belt hook on the seat back , #2b has a seat belt hook on the quarter window trim )

    #3 mid 1971 and later slim seat back ( jute pad is used , also from late 1972 Flame Retardant vinyl is used ) 

    I think this car is a good example of  #2 seat , if you google  “ KGF classic cars 71 240Z “ , you will see a super clean , original 240Z with a lot of pictures.

    My question is , this 02/71 red car has exactly same condition of the seat on Left and right both . To my eyes , they looked #2 seats.  If the BAT green car ‘s left seat is just a deformed seat from #1 , why it looked the same as this red car ‘s seat ? 

    Is it usual thing that 21000 or so miles deformed a seat back  like this ? 

    And if so , why this red car has two deformed seat ? 

    I think this red car’s seats are original , not deformed left nor right . If the left seat of this red car is deformed , it would looked different from the right seat . 

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    4 hours ago, Zup said:

    What???? :TRUCDEOUF:

    I can't un-see that post Kats-----don't tell us you are serious!

    The end of time must be nearer than I thought. 

    Recently I found a Dino which I would really  love to buy in Europe  , so my Z hobby  is ending I think ( I hope ) .I feel I did enough for my Zs .  But selling all my cars seems not enough at all for buying the price of the Dino , maybe it is going to be a pipe dream ? I am just hoping currency exchanging rate will turn 

    good for Japanese Yen in some day . But JPY going strong means economy of the world is having a big risk / crisis . In that situation , can I sell my cars ?? 
     

    Chris , thanks for asking the pictures of the jack and tools , this green car still has a paper !! What a wonderful survivor it is . The tire stopper said “ 0 B “ , February 1970 , a little bit earlier than that of the car’s build date , but it is correct for this car and this is a good example of sometimes our cars have a little bit early components in our cars .

    I noticed the wheel lug nut wrench , it has the teeth facing the same direction as the socket opening , the later ones are facing 90 degrees to the east . This wrench is the correct for this green car.

    Kats

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    Hi Jim , I am sorry I can’t tell which one is  to prevent  the car from snatching by another buyer . 
    Kats

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    Of course, I have been plugging our club on most of these auctions.  Can't wait to see who picks this one up.  Good luck gents.

    Mike

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    I saw a discussion about screws on the lower door trim . I have seen so many cars that have screws in person, countless.Also old magazines shows the screws are not rare thing , here are two pictures from magazines “ R & T April 1970 “ and “ Motor trend March 1971 “ . Looking at them , you can find the screws. 
    And also one of the pictures shows a seat back which I call #2 slightly slim seat back which could be the one on the left of the green BAT car  ( looks like I am the only one who think so though  ) . This car in the picture could be a late 1970 model ,  a shiny chrome coat hanger , a non  louvre type map light , and a beautiful long leg stay for the rear view mirror tell us the car is a late 1970 model .

    I haven’t seen the screws in very early cars like prototype , nor 1972 or later cars . So few of them in Japanese car . Mostly I saw it in the US 1969- 1970 cars .

    I guess like this , 

    designers didn’t expect having the screws on the door trim when they finished design work . That is why the screw never been given its part number .

    But later on cars began to be exported , the door trim might get bent outward and loosened due to the heat / moisture in the middle of the Pacific Ocean , or the strong sun shine affects cars awaiting the transport track at the port . 
    So corrective action would have been made by somewhere before departing the port , or the dealership .  Nissan shatai factory would be the least scenario where the screws attached, because I don’t think the factory assembly line would use  the screw which wasn’t indicated on the parts catalog .

    How about this , I guess after  somewhere around in 1971 or 1972 , door trim securing clip could be upgraded ( positioning or number of use ) , or environment in the transportation ship would be upgraded, then the screws would became no use . 
     

    Kats
     

     

     

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    Hello Kats,

    I think it is obvious that these screws were not installed by the factory.  Given the fact they are mounted at different positions I suggust you are right and they were installed by the dealer for a quick fix.   And the fact that not all cars had these screws support that suggestion.

    None of my 69 cars had the screws, nor the cars between #600 and ViN #9300.    Around this VIN I have #3394, @3957 and #4318, but non of these car had holes in the doorcards or in the door itself.

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    Hi Chris ! Welcome to this club .

    Nice collection you have , more examples helps more understanding , keep joining for everyone here .

    Here I put some examples , 
    I found the green “ survivor “ Z432 which I posted before is closed to the BAT car ‘s build date , this Z432 would be considered as a “ April or May 1970 “ made .This  PS30-00248 has a seat belt tag “ 4. 1970 “ , and the jack has a date stamp “ P. D. H “ ( means 1970 , April , 8th ) . I would like to see the jack of the BAT car much closer , I see “ P “ on the left , but it is not clearly seen , so I will wait until I get the clear shot .

    This Z432 has the screws  , rare as a Japanese car . 
     

    The original aluminum radiator has a sticker “ 0  C “ , 1970 March, a little bit earlier than that of the BAT car’s radiator.

    About the inspection lid clip , the BAT car has a metal clip for both , while this Z432 has a milk white plastic clip just like other early cars. 
     

    Kats

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    I really love this cap , it says remove slowly in Japanese, “ ユツクリ マワセ “ . Could it be an original cap ? Or even if it was a replacement , this cap is cool .

    The BAT car , the Z432 both have early tail lights , no mark on the upper corner.

    And please feel of the shape of this green Z432’s seats , they are truly originals.

    As a comparison, the silver Z432 is owned by Mr. Yoshida , December 1970 made . The seats of the silver car looked #2 , slightly slim type seat back , to my eyes. 

    Kats

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    @kats thanks for your opinion (I am in agreement) with pictures regarding the door panel screws, my car #6521 also has them.

    @christoffel  With what has been discussed here and on BaT, I'm in agreement that it makes sense that these screws were added by the original dealers during the PDI process when it was deemed they were necessary.

    I mentioned on BaT that I would check the holes in my panels and doors as I recently removed mine, here is what I found. I have owned the car since 1978 and I would say this was the first time they had be removed. I base this on the fact there was remnants of plastic wrap on the door fasteners and top corners. Also the interior of my car was meticulously kept by the original owner.  The holes appear to be in the same location as we usually see in pictures but there placement is similar but not exactly the same on the left and right doors, the hardware seems to be the same as others have described.  It really has the appearance of "a fix" and not a designed production feature.  It would make sense that dealers were advised of this potential issue and given a correct measure, this would explain why most cars we see have such a similar fix.

    Here is a good discussion on this subject and other interior topics:

    Cheers, Mike

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    Hello Kats,

    @katsMaybe beter to do the discussions here than on Whatsapp.

    I think the silver Z432that  is owned by Mr. Yoshida , December 1970 made, has seats of a 1972 car.

    I'm in the proces of restoring 69 seats and its very difficult to see differences with 1970 seats. The hardware of the seats is the same. But a car with 21K miles can already have an inflated seat cushion is my experience

    @CanTechZ  Ithink we came to a conclusion about the screws!      The picture of the seat protector you are showing is of a 69 car. I don't know till wich VIN the cars had the seatprotectors. But many lost them in the battle

    @kats  The taillights without marks on the upper part were used till around VIN 12000. BUt I have to check. Later series one cars had already the marks on the upper part of the taillights. So I have been hoarding them for some time.

    @kats The radiator cap I don't know, I have to check. My radiators I already restored with the correct parts

    @kats The green Z432 must have been produced in late 69 due to the clip of the inspection lid. This clip and the way it is positioned means the car has also the first type of frontfenders

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    I have one more observation about the bat car that others may be more

    knowledgable about.  I would rather make my observations here 

    rather than commenting at the auction site so as not to bias prospective

    bidders with unsubstantiated observations.  

    In photos # 97 - 101 on the auction,  I noticed that the rear window defogger

    electical connector and its sleeve are “straight”, or “in-line” with the wire leads.

    All of these electrical connectors with their sleeves that I have seen are

    made with a “90 degree” wire fastener incorporated with these connectors

    to accommodate the originating location of the defogger wire leads.

    Would this “straight”connector possibly be particular to ‘69 - ‘70 cars, or

    is this possibly a purposeful modification?  What say you!
     

    Dan

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    Hi christoffel , The plastic clip for the inspection lid is not for 1969 only, my car 03/70 has the plastic and the front fender U shape hook is also early type . So I guess plastic clip until mid 1970 ?

    Hi Dan , good observation, the straight connector can be seen on 1970 cars , so this could be too , until mid 1970 ?
    My 01/70 and 03/70 are both straight on that .

    Kats

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    Went to the storage unit today, so took a couple pics of HLS30-02614 of items that we have been discussing.  The one loose seat is a passenger seat from a '73

    The two door screws look to be 'oval head' screws with a hard clear (now yellowed) plastic collar underneath.  

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    16 minutes ago, 26th-Z said:

    My cars don't have rear window defoggers.

    Hi Chris, no wiring too , right ?

    Kats

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    Hi motorman7 , thank you so much for the good pictures , your car has very good condition a pair of early original seats , the driver’s seat has been kept so nice .

    Still to my eyes , the BAT car’s driver’s seat looked different from the passenger seat which is keeping an early original “ fat “ seat back .

    As a side note , Mr. Yoshida ‘s silver Z432 has original seats .

    Kats

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    For reference my 7/70 car has the angled connectors for the rear window defrost wiring. Mid 1970 as suggested by @kats

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    Kats, motorman7, CanTechZ thanks for your clarification.  Seems like the collective

    here as solved another Z mystery, and the auction can proceed for an amazing find.

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    @kats     I was mistaken with my 69 cars about the clip. The later cars have the clip, but a different inspection lid. I have a bad quality picture here.

    The early fenders and the plastic clip are on my #3394 car but not anymore on my #3957 car

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    @26th-Z M69  cars have also no rear window defroggers.  Very special that my HLS30-00023 has been very close with your HLS30-00026 on the production line. Here is the engine for #23

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