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Hi guys,

My transmission is leaking from the joint where the shifter cylinder attaches to the transmission.  The transmission is on the car and the attached picture I just got off the net to illustrate where the leak is coming from.

Is there any way to stop this leak from the outside without removing the transmission and disassembling it?  I checked and the transmission is not overfilled.  

I know this is an odd area for it to leak but somehow it's happening...

 

any ideas?

-chase

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Unfortunately you can't fix the leak without removing the rear extension housing. That means dropping the transmission out of the car.

It is leaking from the Striking rod O-ring seal. The O-ring size is 24x2.5mm (ID x Cross section) and is also the same size as the O-ring on the speedo adapter.

The O-ring 32710N has a Nissan p/n: 32830-20100. 

The o-ring has probably hardened over the years and no longer providing a good seal. The rear gear set for 5th and reverse churn up the oil and splash around. That is why it leaks even though is high up on the transmission.

See parts list in attachment for the O-ring.

Tranny_Rebuild_FEB2012.pdf

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When I reworked a 5 speed recently that seal was so hardened we thought it might be metal or plastic. I ordered one and was surprised at supple it was compared to what was there

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2 hours ago, EuroDat said:

Unfortunately you can't fix the leak without removing the rear extension housing. That means dropping the transmission out of the car.

It is leaking from the Striking rod O-ring seal. The O-ring size is 24x2.5mm (ID x Cross section) and is also the same size as the O-ring on the speedo adapter.

The O-ring 32710N has a Nissan p/n: 32830-20100. 

The o-ring has probably hardened over the years and no longer providing a good seal. The rear gear set for 5th and reverse churn up the oil and splash around. That is why it leaks even though is high up on the transmission.

See parts list in attachment for the O-ring.

Tranny_Rebuild_FEB2012.pdf 126.02 kB · 8 downloads

Would slipping some o-rings around the gearshift and into that channel be doable?  Basically I'm thinking that if I get one in there pressed onto the joint, the gear oil is thick enough that it might not seem through.  Outside of needing to change it fairly often (even if i grease the area a fair bit) would that hold the leak?

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11 hours ago, chaseincats said:

Would slipping some o-rings around the gearshift and into that channel be doable?  Basically I'm thinking that if I get one in there pressed onto the joint, the gear oil is thick enough that it might not seem through.  Outside of needing to change it fairly often (even if i grease the area a fair bit) would that hold the leak?

But any Oring large enough to slip over the shifter housing wouldn't be tight enough to prevent oil from seeping out.  The oil up in that area is just from splash with no pressure, if dropping the trans is out of the question then you might get away with some simple packing.    You could try a length of kitchen cord or felt wound tightly around the gap between the trans and shifter housing and see if you can push it forward into the recess where the failed Oring is in the trans housing.  You only need something to wipe the oil off of the rod.

Might be worth a try.

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2 hours ago, grannyknot said:

But any Oring large enough to slip over the shifter housing wouldn't be tight enough to prevent oil from seeping out.  The oil up in that area is just from splash with no pressure, if dropping the trans is out of the question then you might get away with some simple packing.    You could try a length of kitchen cord or felt wound tightly around the gap between the trans and shifter housing and see if you can push it forward into the recess where the failed Oring is in the trans housing.  You only need something to wipe the oil off of the rod.

Might be worth a try.

That's awesome, I will definitely give this method a shot, thanks!

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My concern about trying to seal your leak from the outside is that the shift mechanism rotates left and right all the time when making shifts. I think that whatever you do from the outside will fail to seal, get lodged, etc.

I replaced the seals in my shift mechanism last summer and if I recall, in addition to the O ring, there was also a little seal. The hardest part of the job (for me) was removing the fork from the shift rod. There is a wedge bolt and nut. The wedge bolt is kind of like the wedge bolt that keeps the rear suspension spindle pin from rotating. It was really hard to get enough leverage to push out the wedge bolt, simultaneously being careful to not bend / break anything. Heat was the key and @EuroDat was a huge help giving me some advice. After that, it was an easy job and now I have no leaks. I was also getting gear oil filling up the cavity where the gear shift lever attaches to the trans. I also took this opportunity to check the bearings and replace all other seals and gaskets.

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57 minutes ago, jonathanrussell said:

My concern about trying to seal your leak from the outside is that the shift mechanism rotates left and right all the time when making shifts. I think that whatever you do from the outside will fail to seal, get lodged, etc.

I replaced the seals in my shift mechanism last summer and if I recall, in addition to the O ring, there was also a little seal. The hardest part of the job (for me) was removing the fork from the shift rod. There is a wedge bolt and nut. The wedge bolt is kind of like the wedge bolt that keeps the rear suspension spindle pin from rotating. It was really hard to get enough leverage to push out the wedge bolt, simultaneously being careful to not bend / break anything. Heat was the key and @EuroDat was a huge help giving me some advice. After that, it was an easy job and now I have no leaks. I was also getting gear oil filling up the cavity where the gear shift lever attaches to the trans. I also took this opportunity to check the bearings and replace all other seals and gaskets.

Where did you get all your seals?  I was having difficulty finding some (the shifter seal you mentioned for example since it rarely fails).

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Also, I was planning on greasing the hell out of whatever I put in there so that its wear is minimal which I feel should help.  

Grannyknot - if I can get some sort of VERY stretch o-ring to get on there, would that be better or is there a reason something absorbent like felt or kitchen cord be better?

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I bought them from Courtesy Nissan. But, it was a couple of years ago when I bought so I don't know. 

If I were looking to buy today and they were unavailable I am pretty sure I could find the same sizes from other generic sources.

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Just now, jonathanrussell said:

I bought them from Courtesy Nissan. But, it was a couple of years ago when I bought so I don't know. 

If I were looking to buy today and they were unavailable I am pretty sure I could find the same sizes from other generic sources.

The o-ring should be easy to find, but the seal is custom molded though, isn't it?

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My recollection is that it looks like most any other seal...inner dimension, width, outer dimension. I have a spare or two but am traveling for a bit so can't photo / measure.

 

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1 minute ago, jonathanrussell said:

My recollection is that it looks like most any other seal...inner dimension, width, outer dimension. I have a spare or two but am traveling for a bit so can't photo / measure.

 

Gotcha, going to give sealing it from the outside a shot first - hopefully that will work

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14 minutes ago, jonathanrussell said:

Take a look at the EuroDat's photo in his post #6 at this link.

 

Thanks for this!

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53 minutes ago, chaseincats said:

The o-ring should be easy to find, but the seal is custom molded though, isn't it?

If the outer striking rod o-ring is leaking, it will be hard to find something that will cure it. You might be able to reducd the leakage to an acceptable level.

The striking rod inner seal is a simple lip seal. It should be easy to find and Nissan still sells them. ID:14mm, OD:20mm Width:4.2mm.

Have a look at the list I attached in post#2. The first section in the list is the "Transmission Shift Control" and lists all these parts with sizes and Nissan part numbers.

Chas

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7 hours ago, chaseincats said:

Grannyknot - if I can get some sort of VERY stretch o-ring to get on there, would that be better or is there a reason something absorbent like felt or kitchen cord be better?

Cord type material or packing isn't used much these days but was used for decades in older machines of every kind,  if the material is packed in dry it will expand once it wicks up the oil and can give a good wiping seal. 

Of course your leak should be fixed properly at some point but it is pretty hard to justify dropping the whole trans for a 25 cent Oring.  Another possibility is the flexible stretchy string that joins 3M ear plugs together,  I have used it for many repairs, really interesting properties, you can stretch it to twice its standard length before it breaks but remains rubbery.  I'm kind of a cheap buggar so I like to find alternatives.

 

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2 hours ago, grannyknot said:

Cord type material or packing isn't used much these days but was used for decades in older machines of every kind,  if the material is packed in dry it will expand once it wicks up the oil and can give a good wiping seal. 

Of course your leak should be fixed properly at some point but it is pretty hard to justify dropping the whole trans for a 25 cent Oring.  Another possibility is the flexible stretchy string that joins 3M ear plugs together,  I have used it for many repairs, really interesting properties, you can stretch it to twice its standard length before it breaks but remains rubbery.  I'm kind of a cheap buggar so I like to find alternatives.

 

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You don't think that if the kitchen cord is packed in completely without lithium grease it won't fray before it can get enough gear oil to expand?

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On 3/20/2019 at 8:34 PM, grannyknot said:

Put it  dry and let the trans oil do its thing.

So I got the string on and it's fitting really well.  Again, thanks for this idea!!

 

One odd thing I noticed was once I took the inner shifter boot off of the trans (the small circular one that covers the area where you change the shifter bushings) I noticed the inside lightly glistened with transmission fluid.  This boot is a fairly new addition - I got it when I began to notice the leak and after putting it on, the leak slowed dramatically, but didn't stop.

I noticed there was always a little bit of transmission fluid in the area when I installed the shifter bushings but I though 'that's just how it is'.  Is it possible transmission fluid is coming out of there by filling the boot and leaking out of the sides during operation?

The attached pic shows the boot with the fluid visible.  Super weird

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1 hour ago, chaseincats said:

So I got the string on and it's fitting really well.  Again, thanks for this idea!!

Glad I could help.

I don't have access to a transmission at the moment to look at  but I think the trans oil can get back to the ball and socket on the shifter and shifter rod.  I always pack the ball and socket with bearing grease then cover with the shifter boot to keep the grit out.

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3 hours ago, grannyknot said:

Glad I could help.

I don't have access to a transmission at the moment to look at  but I think the trans oil can get back to the ball and socket on the shifter and shifter rod.  I always pack the ball and socket with bearing grease then cover with the shifter boot to keep the grit out.

So should I just fill the area with grease to seal it?

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