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How Many 240Z’s (1970 to 1973) are left?

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Anyone have a somewhat reliable count on approximately how many 240Zs are still left? I wonder if Carl Beck has some insight into this? There were approximately 172,000 sold........It would be curious to know how many restorable cars are left....eh? So many have been crushed....how rare are they?

Guy

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3 minutes ago, siteunseen said:

There's 5 I can put my hand on in this one horse town. Three running and 2 that aren't.

I'd guess half the total pruduction?

I'd be surprised if there were that many.

WAG would be 10-20% of production

How many came to the US out of total production?

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So I looked up vehicle survival/attrition rates and this is what I came up with. We will never know the exact number and can only speculate based on current statistics.
So one study from the EPA stated that a car produced 31 years ago has .002 chance of still being on the road. 172,000 x .002 = 344. Another report was from registered 240Z’s stated that 234 240z’s were still registered in the US in 2013. With about 18 lost annually. See links below. With that said, I think sport cars have a lower attrition rate than a normal passenger car and I’d guess there is at least 1-2 cars unregistered 240z’s (being restored) for every one on the road. So with all that, I’d guess there are between 500-1,000 240z’s still around.
What do your think?

https://cta.ornl.gov/data/tedbfiles/Spreadsheets/Table3_12.xls

https://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/how-many-survived/nissan/240z




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49 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

~ 35% of the 1969 Z's, with date stamps, are known to exist today (thanks to @Carl Beck's database!!! )

You might want to stop, think and try again with that one.

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47 minutes ago, Av8ferg said:

So I looked up vehicle survival/attrition rates and this is what I came up with. 

Another report was from registered 240Z’s stated that 234 240z’s were still registered in the US in 2013. With about 18 lost annually. 

https://cta.ornl.gov/data/tedbfiles/Spreadsheets/Table3_12.xls

https://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/how-many-survived/nissan/240z
 

I believe the Honest John site noted above reporting 234 240Zs registered refers to 240Zs in the UK, not the US.

Dennis

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Anyone know if the 172,000 Z’s is world wide or just in the USA? I would guess world wide.

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34 minutes ago, Diseazd said:

Anyone know if the 172,000 Z’s is world wide or just in the USA? I would guess world wide.

I thought the rhd had different stampings?

Give them more time...😀

To the theme of Rawhide...

"Trollin' trollin' trollin'"

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I believe the Honest John site noted above reporting 234 240Zs registered refers to 240Zs in the UK, not the US.
Dennis

Dennis, missed that. Good catch.


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22 hours ago, Diseazd said:

Anyone have a somewhat reliable count on approximately how many 240Zs are still left? I wonder if Carl Beck has some insight into this? There were approximately 172,000 sold........It would be curious to know how many restorable cars are left....eh? So many have been crushed....how rare are they?

Guy

 

Hi Guy:  Reliable count? - no. 

 
In rounded numbers, there were 153,000 HLS30 Datsun 240Z’s were produced. That is just based on the highest HLS30 VIN found so far. HLS30 172767 minus 20,000 VIN numbers not used/assigned between the 1972 and 1973 Model Years. 98% of which were sold in North America.
 
Over the past 30 years, I’ve recorded about 2600 HLS30 VIN’s 1969 though 1973 - gathered from any/all sources. Local Club’s, For Sale Ad.’s, eBay, ZCCA Conventions, on-line forums like this, FaceBook etc. etc. Most likely some of the VIN’s recorded 20 or 30 years ago - have also been lost to crashes or rust etc. 
 
If my statistical sample captured 1 out of 3 HLS30 240Z’s remaining - there very well might be 7800 of them still in existence. For vehicles 46 to 49 years old - 5% remaining would be an exceptional number. 
 
How Many are Restorable?… depends on now much the market values them now and in the future. At present rates of $30K to $50K could be 25% of the remaining cars are financially feasible for a full refresh or restoration. If market values increase significantly to say $80K to $100K maybe 35%+ are restorable. 
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Carl....That makes sense. Seems like with the current interest in the 240Zs, they are coming out of the wood work, but with only that few left, collectors starting to hold on to them and normal attrition, I would think that their value will continue to climb. Missed you in Atlanta....hope to see you soon.

Regards

Guy

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